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They can try and convince him that he's asexual on top of transexual to console him once he gets laid and it feels like shit and he doesn't want to do it ever again.
Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once
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Can somebody shed some light on the hormone situation? I know that Jazz was put on puberty blockers and estrogen. Is she off the puberty blockers? Or is that some thing she will take indefinitely?
And who put her on the puberty blockers? Was that Dr. Bowers?
Last questions: do we know for a fact that the puberty blockers have arrested her intellectual development? Do we know for a fact that the puberty blockers have rendered her anorgasmic, or are we just speculating?
And who put her on the puberty blockers? Was that Dr. Bowers?
Last questions: do we know for a fact that the puberty blockers have arrested her intellectual development? Do we know for a fact that the puberty blockers have rendered her anorgasmic, or are we just speculating?
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Puberty blockers arrest the onset of (in this case) male puberty. Since puberty doesn’t hit overnight, this keeps any and all changes (well, the blockable ones, anyway), including earlier, less obvious stuff around 11-13, from happening.
Then it is my understanding that you wait until mid-to-late teens to force a weird approximation of “female” puberty by slamming these male children with an estrogen etc cocktail.
There’s a period of time on blockers because “it’s to give them time to make up their minds!” (in reality, stats show that once a kid is on blockers their parents tend to move them on to cross-sex hormones, because of course they do.) The gap in time is also there because you don’t want to be taking a barely pubertal kid and just filling him with titty skittles overnight.
So no, Jazz isn’t on puberty blockers anymore. Since he’s been fully castrated he doesn’t need to worry about testosterone production. It’s in his best interest to take some kind of hormone though, and right now he’s taking a synthetic approximation of female hormones.
But puberty blockers followed up with a synthetic cocktail of lady hormones does not = “female puberty.” There’s a lot more involved in puberty than “body starts cranking out the stuff in horse piss pills.” Jazz has a male body that’s been heavily modded with weird science & synthetics, not a female body. And I don’t just mean his inverted dick, I mean his entire body. Humans aren’t Mr. Potatoheads. And ladypills will never ever help you sprout lady genitals. Those are gone forever.
The mental and physical side effects you are reading about here are real. I’m in the middle of a busy shift so I'm not going to look up the studies rn but this isn’t a case of farmers just going “lol I bet those pills made him r.etarded.” Troons going around claiming that these incredibly dangerous pills are a completely safe magical on/off switch without permanent side-effects are either criminally stupid or criminally misleading others.
Eta: as far as the orgasm thing: probably, apparently! It’s one of those fun “
We just don’t know! “ gifts from Bowers et al. Though it’s more likely a “no actual male puberty, never ever developed adult sex organs, then mutilated what was left of them” combo.
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I expect to see more of these cases in the future. This one is from England.
While this is not directly involving jazz, it does seem to be right on target with our discussions about what will happen when these kids become adults and realize what has been done to them. (i will also post it in the transgender thread)
And because many trans people are unhappy attention seekers to begin with, i suspect many will create a new bandwagon of victimhood and regret, and continue their quest for whatever the fuck it is they want.
regretful transgender sues gender clinic ,
Why did the NHS let me change sex? Star witness in court battle against clinic that fast-tracked her gender swap aged 16 reveals what happened when she made a cry for help
While this is not directly involving jazz, it does seem to be right on target with our discussions about what will happen when these kids become adults and realize what has been done to them. (i will also post it in the transgender thread)
And because many trans people are unhappy attention seekers to begin with, i suspect many will create a new bandwagon of victimhood and regret, and continue their quest for whatever the fuck it is they want.
regretful transgender sues gender clinic ,
Why did the NHS let me change sex? Star witness in court battle against clinic that fast-tracked her gender swap aged 16 reveals what happened when she made a cry for help
- Keira Bell, aged 23, describes herself as being 'stuck between the two sexes'
- As a child she was prescribed hormone blockers and was given a male hormone
- She had her breasts removed three years ago in an operation paid for by the NHS
- Keira now doesn't want to be a man and joined legal action against gender clinic
- So controversial is the case, lawyers expect it to end up in the Supreme Court
- For this tragic state of affairs Keira blames the treatment that began at the Tavistock in North London when, at 16, she no longer wanted to be a girl and asked for help.
- After three one-hour appointments, she was prescribed hormone blockers to halt the development of her female body.
Put on what she calls a 'roller coaster' journey, she was soon being given the male hormone testosterone to change her appearance. Three years ago, she had her breasts removed, in an operation paid for by the NHS.
Despite that dramatic step, this story has taken an extraordinary twist. For Keira has now changed her mind about being a man. She believes it is an impossible quest, and is trying to reverse the process.
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To make it simple, the difference between male and female bodies become more apparent around puberty and what kicks it in is the many hormones correspondent to each sex.
Female hormones: grow your breast, widen your hips, give you menstruation
male hormones: grow testicles, penis, grows beard, change voice
and other things in common like developing sexual feelings.
Jazz is a male, so he has hormons to grow his genitals, change voice, etc. He took pills to stop that, but that doesn't mean he's gonna grow tits. His period for having his male developed is gone so he's stunted in eternal childhood, but taller than a kid.
Also, the development of your body is linked to your development as a person. Not only affects your body but how you interact with other people. Being a teenager is a period for completing maturation while both your brain and body learn to work together. Jazz has missed that. It's like a kid who was never exposed to learn to write or read or intereact with other chilndre.
Female hormones: grow your breast, widen your hips, give you menstruation
male hormones: grow testicles, penis, grows beard, change voice
and other things in common like developing sexual feelings.
Jazz is a male, so he has hormons to grow his genitals, change voice, etc. He took pills to stop that, but that doesn't mean he's gonna grow tits. His period for having his male developed is gone so he's stunted in eternal childhood, but taller than a kid.
Also, the development of your body is linked to your development as a person. Not only affects your body but how you interact with other people. Being a teenager is a period for completing maturation while both your brain and body learn to work together. Jazz has missed that. It's like a kid who was never exposed to learn to write or read or intereact with other chilndre.
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Unfortunately there's no other way to find out what truly happens to these prepubescent trans kids but to observe them as years pass. Right now, I think doctors, surgeons and whoever else is involved in this lunacy know as much as we do: absolutely nothing. We have theories, speculations and approximations, but we won't find out how these guinea pigs develop until... shit, until they reach whatever maximum life span they can have after all the weird shit they do to their bodies.
We can try to draw parallels to castrati and take them as reference as to what to expect, however even those are not accurate enough: different goals, different time period, different medical backgrounds, no hormonal fuckery...
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, but maybe all this insanity will stop once this generation of teen trannies grow up, realize what's been done to them and make a huge ass massive scandal that no amount of activism can silence.
We can try to draw parallels to castrati and take them as reference as to what to expect, however even those are not accurate enough: different goals, different time period, different medical backgrounds, no hormonal fuckery...
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, but maybe all this insanity will stop once this generation of teen trannies grow up, realize what's been done to them and make a huge ass massive scandal that no amount of activism can silence.
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According to this article from 2016, Jazz had a puberty blocker implant put in at age 11 and then started taking estrogen at age 12, all thanks to mommy dearest Jeanette, who searched high and low and wouldn't give up until she found a modern-day Mengele who was willing to get Jazz started on chemical castration.
"... a long search by Jeanette finally located a surgeon who would implant histrelin acetate into Jazz’s arm at age 11, and a pediatric endocrinologist who prescribed her estrogen beginning at age 12 years 6 months."
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"... a long search by Jeanette finally located a surgeon who would implant histrelin acetate into Jazz’s arm at age 11, and a pediatric endocrinologist who prescribed her estrogen beginning at age 12 years 6 months."
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I found this little bit if info in the article interesting... " Since Jazz is also a typically busy high school student, Jeannette answers as many of the emails that come in for Jazz as she can, sometimes consulting Jazz about what to say. (She always lets them know she’s Jazz’s mother.) "
Not really big news as we always figured that jeanette is the one who controls the social media and writes out the posts that are supposedly written by jazz. For instance, that one about her choosing to skip harvard in order to stay home and always gushing about how great her parents are ,which most people her age do not do as they are busy becoming independent and speaking for themselves.
Jeanette will not allow jazz to become independent. This is a huge disservice to jazz because jeanette will die one day. Plus the other siblings will soon marry, create their own families and give jeanette grandkids which will also affect the family's entire focus being on jazz. Then jazz will truly realize what was taken away from them and how complicit her mother was every step of the way.
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I am surprised that the negative repercussions of this tranny-kids stuff have rolled in so soon.
In this case, Keira seemed to have issues before the transition, and surprise surprise, she has the same issues after. This person is "uncomfortable in their own skin." That is what a layperson might say. From the information given, it sounds like s/he has what they used to label a "neurosis." Not sure what happened to that classic symptom, for it to turn into "transgender."
I am actually shocked and appalled by a lot of things that are going on in the UK right now. Fast tracking a youngster, especially one who is mixed raced, to get her gonads reshuffled is questionable. I can just see how intentions, both good and nepharious, might have led to this outcome.
Well, s/he and Jazz can find solidarity and acceptance.
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That is the thing, right there. You can’t just hit pause/play on this type of stuff with the puberty blocking meds. Life marches on. Puberty as part of the entire biological system, the mental/physical/social/emotional development all working in harmony, is a once in a lifetime deal.
To put things in perspective re: the cluelessness of these doctors: Antidepressants (specifically SSRIs) are a widely prescribed, relatively safe, probably pretty much reversible class of drugs. (They’re probably also over-prescribed, but for some people are an honest-to-god lifeline. So let’s not do an OT spergfest on the efficacy of antidepressants.) And doctor’s aren’t even completely sure how they work. Even the name “SSRI” (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor) is just kinda “...we think, pretty much?” But we’ve decided that the benefits outweigh the risks.
Now wtf is going on with the risk/benefit ratio with meds like Lupron?? Imagine the depths of cluelessness regarding those types of drugs, which is clearly WAY out there compared to SSRIs. Doctors don’t only not know why these drugs work, they don’t even entirely know what they’ll do. And for what? For what? To make another Jazz, with a miserable botched surgery and a weird mutant manlet look? Oh, but at least he doesn’t have...what, a deep voice and coarse hair and big shoulders, because then he’ll literally commit suicide? Because ~dysphoria? Because “passing” is the most important thing ever? And we’re supposed to figure out that all of this is definitely totally necessary for the kid and get them started on these drugs by 10-12?
Nearly everyone in this thread (myself included) is too dumb with regards to medical knowledge to even fathom how fucked up this situation is. But nobody needs to go to medical school to see that it’s clearly insane and dangerous.
We can try to draw parallels to castrati and take them as reference as to what to expect, however even those are not accurate enough: different goals, different time period, different medical backgrounds, no hormonal fuckery...
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Yeah, castrati/skoptsy are something to look to for clues. But then again those guys are just suffering an absence. The crazy cocktail of fake ladybrain dope is a whole other kettle of (heh) fish.
I agree about the backlash. I believe everyone in this thread who dies a natural death will live to see the tide turn on this.
Yeah of course it took a long search. And I’m sure it was because the world is cold & cruel & transphobic & cowardly, not because most doctors saw a narcissistic Munchausen’s by Proxy mother dragging around a confused little boy.
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I would add that there are people who pop in here, who have MD degrees and specialized nursing degrees etc. They present this usual doctor stuff about what one med or the other does, what it is typically prescribed for etc. This is how this is done, this is how we handle that. This is why some procedures are ....
But not one of them has taken an actual well-informed stance on the state of Jazz's biological organism, post medical interventions. Starting with the hormones and blockers, till today. The best we get out of them is along the lines of why this course of action shouldn't have taken place. I mean if some doctor wants to share his or her predictions on Jazz's further biosocial development, based on the cocktail of drugs administered, at the developmental juncture they were, please do.
The lack of knowledge is dizzying, in the face of making permanent, un-natural changes to a child's body, before they can intellectually grasp the long-term consequences.
So the justification for transitioning kids in a prepubescent state, is so that they "pass" better as adults?
That is insane. Some biological men and women barely "pass" as the men and women they actually are, and leave the house in the morning looking more like hermaphrodites - so what? ... why can't transitioned people be coached in self-presentation as adults, after making an informed decision? That is what image consultants are for.
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Here is an article where an endocrinologist who fights against the transing of children talks about Jazz and what the puberty blocking drugs did to him.
www.thepublicdiscourse.com
He also has a twitter account
If you want more information about the effects of blocking puberty and transing children, his twitter is a great source.
Gender Dysphoria and Children: An Endocrinologist's Evaluation of I am Jazz
I Am Jazz contains both false information and very troubling omissions. Children who are experiencing gender dysphoria will likely be harmed by this book, as will children who do not have the condition.
www.thepublicdiscourse.com
He also has a twitter account
If you want more information about the effects of blocking puberty and transing children, his twitter is a great source.
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Very sad.Here is an article where an endocrinologist who fights against the transing of children talks about Jazz and what the puberty blocking drugs did to him.
Gender Dysphoria and Children: An Endocrinologist's Evaluation of I am Jazz
I Am Jazz contains both false information and very troubling omissions. Children who are experiencing gender dysphoria will likely be harmed by this book, as will children who do not have the condition.
He also has a twitter account
If you want more information about the effects of blocking puberty and transing children, his twitter is a great source.
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One of the main issues researchers have is we are blocked from doing research on transgender in any way at all because they are "protected" and any study will do "more harm then good", so the only studies that get out are heavily biased and run by the organizations themselves that push this agenda.
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Who is putting up the road blocks? (Yeah I know.... "trannies" and "liberals" .... we got that, no need to assign me 50 puzzle pieces and garbage cans...).
I mean which organizations, legislative bodies and political lobbies, specifically?
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The Research Ethics and Compliance Training is a requiement by all doctoral programs, research grants, etc. It tells you want you can and cannot do in research and is followed by all agencies. It is rules that are built on the Belmont report which researchers must follow.
There are even further regulations for working with protected populations:
Children, Pregnant Women, Fetuses, Incarerated, Marginalized Minorities, Transgender, Geriatric, Disabled (Physical and Intellectual), Underprivileged, Terminally Ill, Immigrants, Illegals, End of Life (seperate from terminally ill), LGBT .
To research at all you must do a think its now 30 to 40 module course and be certified as compliant with these guidelines.
Most research institutes won't justify doing research because they believe the harm of outting an indivudal outweights any benefit.
Reasons for LGBT Protection (Abridged from the course module)
Historical Treatment used as reasons for these protection include:
Non-consenual use of Gay men in Nazi Concentration Camps to find biological causes for Gayness.
1960s Laud Humphreys "Tearoom Trade" obsevation of sexual cruising behavior in public male restrooms. (He took down license plates of those who were gay and went to interview them in their homes. He outted them during this time and since they did not want to be outted and had distress due to it) At the time homosexuality was criminalized and considered a mental disorder and could lead to arrest or institutionalization.
Until 1973 homosexualty was a mental illness in the DSM. As late as 2014, therapists were still being cause uses conversion therapy on children and adults.
Belief that there is an assumption by medical providers that those who are LGBT are diseased and need to be irradicated.
HIV/Aids and its stigma to the gay community.
Non-consenual use of Gay men in Nazi Concentration Camps to find biological causes for Gayness.
1960s Laud Humphreys "Tearoom Trade" obsevation of sexual cruising behavior in public male restrooms. (He took down license plates of those who were gay and went to interview them in their homes. He outted them during this time and since they did not want to be outted and had distress due to it) At the time homosexuality was criminalized and considered a mental disorder and could lead to arrest or institutionalization.
Until 1973 homosexualty was a mental illness in the DSM. As late as 2014, therapists were still being cause uses conversion therapy on children and adults.
Belief that there is an assumption by medical providers that those who are LGBT are diseased and need to be irradicated.
HIV/Aids and its stigma to the gay community.
Belief in the late 19th Century by physicians defined that were educated, middle-class, independent, political women were sexual "inverts." imitating men to fornicate with women.
Belief that dress/social behavior in early 20th century dictated lesbianism.
Not enough research on Lebians so it is not appropriate to research them. (My favorite considering gaps in research is where we learn the most)
Biomedical research won't look at sexual orientation as a reason for BIOLOGICAL issues.
Belief that dress/social behavior in early 20th century dictated lesbianism.
Not enough research on Lebians so it is not appropriate to research them. (My favorite considering gaps in research is where we learn the most)
Biomedical research won't look at sexual orientation as a reason for BIOLOGICAL issues.
Belief that fixing intersex issues at birth is a human rights offense.
Sexual testing of intersex toddlers.
Sexual testing of intersex toddlers.
Bunched in with Gay and Lesbians and this is wrong.
They want removal of Gender Dysphoria.
They want removal of Gender Dysphoria.
Vulnerability Beliefs that mean studies have inerent harm:
Unconscious Bias of researchers that they are social deviants and/or mentally ill.
"All GSD individuals face social and cultural vulnerabilities because many have experienced some forms of prejudice and discrimination at home, school, work and/or other social contexts or institutions due to their sexual orientation. "
Gay-related stressors, : range of negative behavioral, social, and health outcomes including social isolation, ejection, homophobia (fear/hatred of gay people), anxiety, and depression. It has also been found to increase gay and bisexual men's vulnerability to HIV infection.
Trans people are discriminated against by gay/lesbians.
"All GSD individuals face social and cultural vulnerabilities because many have experienced some forms of prejudice and discrimination at home, school, work and/or other social contexts or institutions due to their sexual orientation. "
Gay-related stressors, : range of negative behavioral, social, and health outcomes including social isolation, ejection, homophobia (fear/hatred of gay people), anxiety, and depression. It has also been found to increase gay and bisexual men's vulnerability to HIV infection.
Trans people are discriminated against by gay/lesbians.
Rules of Research:
"If you are collecting data on GSD individuals in U.S. locales without non-discrimination laws, consider obtaining a Certificate of Confidentiality to protect subjects from the legal consequences of their disclosures.
Transgender people are at risk of being discharged from the military, based on their gender identity. If you are conducting research on transgender active duty service personnel, a Certificate of Confidentiality could prevent a subject from losing their job as an unintended consequence of participating in the research."
"Assess whether the GSD subjects to be enrolled in a specific research protocol are vulnerable and require additional human subject protections, such as research subject advocates. "
"Unlike many other vulnerable groups, the relationship of GSD individuals to the larger culture is an ongoing process affected by socio-cultural and legal events that continue to alter the context in which research may occur. "
Transgender people are at risk of being discharged from the military, based on their gender identity. If you are conducting research on transgender active duty service personnel, a Certificate of Confidentiality could prevent a subject from losing their job as an unintended consequence of participating in the research."
"Assess whether the GSD subjects to be enrolled in a specific research protocol are vulnerable and require additional human subject protections, such as research subject advocates. "
"Unlike many other vulnerable groups, the relationship of GSD individuals to the larger culture is an ongoing process affected by socio-cultural and legal events that continue to alter the context in which research may occur. "
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I think easily half of the people on My 600-lb Life (and Hoarders for that matter) say that they were abused or raped before their behavior spiraled out-of-control. Maybe Jazz is turning to food to keep people away from her body. She doesn't have any sexual desires at all, even without mutilated genitals Jazz might not want to be pushed into sexual contact by her family and TLC producers.
A crossover episode with Dr. Now could be the best thing to happen to Jazz. "Stop playing games. Your mutter is killing you. I am sending you to psychotherapy to get to de bottom of this issues."
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So Sam o'nella's explanation on Freud's penis envy theory fits Jazz disturbingly well.
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I'm not the most educated when it comes to Freud, but something tells me he would be having a field day if he was our contemporary.
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Jazz, Jeanette, and the rest of the