Business Firms urged to crack down on office football chat - D'you see that ludicrous display last night?


Chat about football or cricket in the workplace should be curtailed, a management body has warned.

Chartered Management Institute head Ann Francke said sports banter can exclude women and lead to laddish behaviour such as chat about sexual conquests.

"A lot of women, in particular, feel left out," she told the BBC's Today programme.

"They don't follow those sports and they don't like either being forced to talk about them or not being included."

"I have nothing against sports enthusiasts or cricket fans - that's great," she said.

"But the issue is many people aren't cricket fans," she added, arguing bosses should crack down on sports banter.

Ms Francke is concerned that discussing football and, for example, the merits of video assistant refereeing (VAR) can disproportionately exclude women and divide offices.

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"It's a gateway to more laddish behaviour and - if it just goes unchecked - it's a signal of a more laddish culture," she said

"It's very easy for it to escalate from VAR talk and chat to slapping each other on the back and talking about their conquests at the weekend."

'Terrible idea'
Nevertheless, Ms Francke does not think sports chatter should be banned, just moderated.

She said that good managers should be inclusive and ensure that everyone in their team feels comfortable.

But sports journalist Jacqui Oatley thinks cracking down on sports chatter would be a "terrible idea".

"If you ban football chat or banter of any description, then all you're going to do is alienate the people who actually want to communicate with each other," she told the Today programme.

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"It would be so, so negative to tell people not to talk about sport because girls don't like it or women don't like it, that's far more divisive."

She said the secret was to discuss sport in an inclusive way and to notice if people were blankly "staring into space" during the conversation.

What next?
And the majority of people responding to a LinkedIn post from the BBC appear to agree with Ms Oatley.

Office manager Debra Smyth worries that other topics such as Love Island, EastEnders and Game of Thrones could also be censored if sport chatter is banned.

"I personally think companies should not dictate what people talk about, as not talking about it will alienate those with similar interests," she said.

"Where would it end? Banning people with children talking about them so as not to alienate people without children. Certainly not!"

Recruiter Peter Ferguson said: "I have seen managers and staff build a more direct bond over a shared love of sport which has excluded those who don't share that interest.

"The answer is not to ban the conversation, it is to ensure managers and staff are trained to understand that those shared interests should not get in the way of management decisions or working collaboratively."

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It's news to me that footy talk leads to casual sex stories. The guy who talks about footy the most tends to go on to say how much of a bitch his wife is after complaining about City's performance.
 
ends up being fairly sexist anyway because I have certainly met female sports fans. they are rare but they exist.
thankfully this is just some cunt mouthing off and not actual policy
 
Well this is an awful idea.

It's like you said to someone to make a parody of an out of touch HR manager, and they actually did it. Thankfully it's one of the many random places set up so that managers can learn to be useless and out of touch in creative ways rather than actual government policy.

I know that being friends and talking about sports isn't the whole idea for most workplaces, but it's good for morale, and if someone has a choice between working for somewhere that polices their speech beyond reasonable limits and one that doesn't then it's easy what they're going to choose.

If the Chartered Management Institute actually starts educating people in this way then people are going to know which managers to look out for.
 
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I feel like articles like this gives fuel to keep setting women back to the 50s.

Also, my last job was at predominantly female workplace and there were women who were really into football and hockey.
 
Well, that ain't the good ol' US of A, for sure. In the several corps I've worked for, most women liked NFL football as much or more than the men. Friday was jersey day (during the season) and women wearing their Packers, Raiders, <insert favorite team name here> jersey were equal to if not greater than the men. Hell, watch any college or pro game and there are as many women in the stands as men. Whole families get involved in tailgating and going to the games together.

I have no fucking idea what the UK's problem is, but if the "laddies" want to talk about sports, who fucking cares? It becomes sexual talk.... bullshit. "Did you see that interception? OMG!" Can't say I've ever been in a sports conversation where it turned into a conversation about sexual conquests. More like "Your quarterback Tom Brady really sucked this weekend...whadda fag!" It's mostly just rubbing your "laddies" face in it when their team fucks up, or eating crow from them when your team shits their pants on the field.
When women are sports fans they often are the most avid ones. There isn't that bluffing macho bullshit a lot of guys do to fit in. No stigma if they aren't interested and decide to opt out. This leads to when they are for a team they are usually passionately so.

Don't let the fairer sex crap fool you, women are competitive as fuck. Plus, who doesn't like riding a popular good-times entertainment bandwagon? Shit is fun.
 
Sexist as actual fuck to say talking about sports is an exclusively male thing. Next they'll say any women who join sports banter need to transition.

I feel like the whole world has started taking fucking crazy pills.
 
Sexist as actual fuck to say talking about sports is an exclusively male thing. Next they'll say any women who join sports banter need to transition.

I feel like the whole world has started taking fucking crazy pills.
We need to abolish gender by making gender roles stricter than ever.
 
Aren't there women who like sports and join in conversations about them? Not just butch women, either. Pretty sexist to assume only men like sports.
Don't be ridiculous, women are delicate flowers that only like perfume and romance novels.
 
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ends up being fairly sexist anyway because I have certainly met female sports fans. they are rare but they exist.
thankfully this is just some cunt mouthing off and not actual policy

In Latin America, they exist and are very noisy. I'd say about 20% of football fans are women. That isn't a small number.

This is stupid. I've been quite loud and noisy in my office when my team wins and I'm a woman. And sometimes, it's a man. Nobody takes it seriously. People need to fucking chill.
 
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