Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Intelligent Calcium]

Plinkett voice: "Fuck you Rick Berman."

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Watching RLM take and it's so bad. I can't understand why shows do this current political commentaries, especially if they believe Trump won't get re-elected and the USA can return to be "good" in their eyes. Not to mention that accusations of racism doesn't work when you are already a multi-race galaxy scale entity and you won't help race X because they actively abuse your goodwill.
In the end it's just dumbing down media. Rather than have multiple alien races with complex relations there are humans and everything else. Only humans count in their actions and the other races are either indifferent or dindus.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

So it is woke and shit? Not surprising.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

A transparent reskin of present day US politics might be the most pure demonstration of Abrams/Kurtzman's non-existent interest in sci-fi.

 

[Miller]

Not to mention that accusations of racism doesn't work when you are already a multi-race galaxy scale entity and you won't help race X because they actively abuse your goodwill.

Exactly, a Brexit allegory could only work if one species wanted to leave the Federation, like the Vulcans for example.

 

[WTFrU?]

To paraphrase my favourite doctor:

"It's dead, Jim."

 

[Judge Holden]

I personally see it the same way Q did in his DS9 episode.

The federation is, in fact, a Utopia... if you stay on Earth. But the price of it is that it's also boring because it's too safe. Nothing exciting ever happens inside the federation's safety bubble. So people can only get any sense of danger or adventure by joining Star Fleet or, at least, being as far of federation's space as possible.

I mean yeah, sometimes bad guys sneak in, like the changelings did once, but, overall, Earth is literally the worst place in Star Trek to have a life of adventure.

IRCC, that was pretty much Bashir's sole reason for being in DS9. He could've had any comfortable job literally anywhere else. But he chose the one place trouble was guaranteed to come.

If you stay in Earth or a safe federation colony you will never have to worry about disease or hunger. But You can only make a difference outside the utopia bubble: usually in a space ship.

Which ties in quite nicely to roddenderry's autistic "new human" idea that was never implemented, yet alluded to heavily in early TNG, about how humanity had become so utopian the majority had become psychic space hippies who are incapable of handling conflict or hardship or authority, let alone encounters with aliens who acted and thought contrary to their opinions, thus leaving it to the rough and tough "old humans" like kirk and friends to man the frontiers and protect this "perfect" society

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Exactly, a Brexit allegory could only work if one species wanted to leave the Federation, like the Vulcans for example.

They should just stop attempting to create whole shows around a single narrative and just let the heroes be onlookers for various stories. This way at least non-woke material might pop up and the woke material won't be crammed in to fit every single modern allusion.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Sad to say Star Trek Online (non-canon) done a superior job with the Romulan refugee problem as Cryptic remembered the Romulan Star Empire owns a significant chunk of Beta Quadrant real estate. Hence relocation of Romulan and Reman survivors to other systems they already owned instead of begging the Federation to let them in.

With the proviso that I only played about 10 minutes of STO back when it was in beta, agreed - The treatment of the Romulans in most of Star Trek now makes me sad. They were supposed to be the Nega-Federation. A powerful, successful empire. Their ships were at least as good as "ours" technologically, and bigger. They were inteligent, clever, capable of cold and calculating logic when they needed to be - they're basically Vulcans, after all. And while other enemies come and go - even the Klingons were no longer our enemies - the Romulans wanted nothing to do with us, and were willing to violently enforce that desire. They had never been even remotely open to us - they were almost our oldest enemy in space, we fought them so far back we didn't even have an idea what they looked like at first.

Yet, we were also shown that it wasn't that simple. That the day-to-day life of a Romulan was not inconceivable or even all that alien - they lived their lives, they had a functioning republic with elected representation. And they had good, honorable people serving with them. Our differences weren't really ideological as much as it was... as hard was it was for the Federation to grasp - they just wanted to be left alone. But maybe there was hope, at some point, that there would be some measure of peace between us and them. Maybe.

And then they got a one-two punch of being sort of a cut-rate Dark Eldar dystopia in Nemesis, and then were given a half-assed Klingons-forced-to-let-us-be-the-White-Saviors storyline that was at least told well in Star Trek 6... And was not in KelvinTrek, or now Picard.

 

[Tookie]

Exactly, a Brexit allegory could only work if one species wanted to leave the Federation, like the Vulcans for example.

Brexit is the worst thing that has ever happened so if you think about it: anything bad that happens is basically a metaphor for Brexit.

 

[Flexo]

I can't wait for the weekend when I'll be able to watch all these videos.

 

[Negilum]

got done watching Star Trek: Picard.

My favourite part was when JJ Abrahams and Alex Kurtzman raped Jean-Luc on top of a pinball machine while everyone watched.

It's honestly not worth giving it much thought, I don't even know if it's worth making fun of.

I will say, the scene where the reporter is berating war non-military hero over his decision to save lives is so pants shitting stupid for a Star Trek series.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Does Q show up in this new Picard thing?

 

[trekkor]

Does Q show up in this new Picard thing?

Haven't heard any talk of de Lancie appearing on the show though ofc you could have just a random actor play Q or some new Q. I wouldn't mind him showing up and them just making a quick joke about, you know, everyone being old, but it's hilarious to think Kurtzman and co. could ever write even a half-way decent Q and Picard dialogue.

 

[Overly Serious]

Which ties in quite nicely to roddenderry's autistic "new human" idea that was never implemented, yet alluded to heavily in early TNG, about how humanity had become so utopian the majority had become psychic space hippies who are incapable of handling conflict or hardship or authority, let alone encounters with aliens who acted and thought contrary to their opinions, thus leaving it to the rough and tough "old humans" like kirk and friends to man the frontiers and protect this "perfect" society

I kind of like the idea that Demolition Man is set in the Star Trek universe. Put the Enterprise flying overhead in a couple of shots and change the outfits, and you've probably got a pretty good idea of what Earth is like the TNG setting.

 

[Tookie]

I will say, the scene where the reporter is berating war non-military hero over his decision to save lives is so pants shitting stupid for a Star Trek series.

Depicting journalists as click-baity scum is one of the few things it did right.

 

[Zaryiu]

Well i thought Picard first episode was better than STD but that's not tough to pull, i don't know everything that happened TNG-Voyager lore wise so I now know what mistakes they made by reading this thread and I'm waiting for when the other shoe drops to see what bullshit even so eone with limited knowledge of Star Trek can call it crap
It has big problems but I wish that least it doesn't make me feel bad for watching it with my dad

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I know it also follow after JJ carbage at the start of his first "Star Trek" movie but anyone willing to read this to tell me from the point of someone who knows the franchise better if this shit less on it than what they have been putting on screens for years now

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

Ridiculous, fake and gay. It'd be like if a mid-level American officer in WW2 had an opportunity to singlehandedly take down Nazi Germany and decided to stroke his chin while congratulating himself on his virtue instead. He'd probably be court-martialled and then shot, and rightly so.

Eh, actually it would be more like if a Mid-level American Officer had a device that would take down the Nazi's by killing every German on Earth, making no distinction whether they are serving in the military or not. I'm sure that would make that officer pause before pushing the button.

Not to mention Picard questions his actions later on, saying that while letting the Borg live was the moral choice, it might not have been the right one.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I hope the main villain of the show turns out to be Janeway. I just hope.

In my headcanon Future!Janeway by going back in time fucked over Romulus somehow, since the Voyager would have swung by the Star Empire, found out what was wrong with their sun, and fix it with science or something. Then Janeway, learning of this from Future!Janeway's logs, went insane and decided to use Seven to rebuild the Borg so that she could go back in time and fix time while keeping Seven alive somehow.

C'mon, it's no less retarded than Romulans in Section 31.

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

That's really confusing if they're going to use him as a villain. The whole point of his character was that he was a jerk but got so BTFO by Picard's logic and moral clarity that he became a good guy. They even referenced him and Data becoming buddies later on in TNG.

You know there's gonna be a scene like this :

Picard: Damn it Maddox, you cloned Data's positronic brain! How could you ignore the ruling of Captain Louvois, this is a serious violation of Federation law!

Maddox: But Jean-Luc, I didn't...

Picard: Those Synths are based on the designs of a Noonien Soong android! B4's positronic brain was nowhere near the calibre or processing power of Data's. Not to mention his intelligence and personality!

Maddox: That's true, we didn't use B4's brain for the basis of synths... but we didn't use Data's either.

Picard: But how... My God!?

(Dramatic camera zoom on Maddox)

Maddox: We used Lore's.

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