Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Watching RLM take and it's so bad. I can't understand why shows do this current political commentaries, especially if they believe Trump won't get re-elected and the USA can return to be "good" in their eyes. Not to mention that accusations of racism doesn't work when you are already a multi-race galaxy scale entity and you won't help race X because they actively abuse your goodwill.
In the end it's just dumbing down media. Rather than have multiple alien races with complex relations there are humans and everything else. Only humans count in their actions and the other races are either indifferent or dindus.
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The worst I've seen was in Gotham when Penguin was running for mayor and his campaign slogan was "Make Gotham Great Again" at a time when Gotham was being overrun with metahuman/mutant creations.

It was so on the nose and dumb, I couldn't believe that it made it past the scripting stage, but then I realized that this type of writing is now encouraged and scene as a brilliant way to buck the current system.
 
L50LasPak said:
I'm willing to say that, since TOS is my favorite series of the show, a somewhat dystopian Federation could have been a good idea. The Federation in TOS may not be the full-on commie dystopia detractors of the show like to say TNG onward is, but it borders on being dystopic sometimes because space in TOS is extremely fucking dangerous.
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Actually, Star Trek was a Liberalistist utopia, because there was a hard border between the federation and the Romulan Empire. It's only now just gone commie with Picard and his open borders.
 
MembersSchoolPizza said:
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Deep Space Nine is the other side of the coin from The Next Generation. I think it's probably the better series, but it's a fairly radical departure from Star Trek in a number of ways, and (again, controversial statement here), while I do think it's Trek at it's best, I think in some ways it also heralded the eventual destruction of the franchise. I'll explain!

See, Star Trek was meant to be a utopian vision of the future. Not a perfect utopia, if you will forgive the oxymoron, but utopian-ish. This was sometimes a bit of a problem, actually, because the writers were often stifled by Gene wanting some very particular things to be done with certain storylines. This was a problem that has been termed the "Roddenberry Box". There's an infamous early-series episode where a child loses his parents that the writers struggled with Gene over, because Gene insists that in the future, we will have evolved beyond silly notions such as "grief", and just accept the loss of a parent and move on.

Yeeeah, Gene was a bit of an odd duck...
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As an aside it was rumored that Roddenberry treated Terri Garr so terribly in "Assignment Earth" that she wanted nothing to do with ST afterwards. He also may've been the one to rape Grace Lee Whitney, who played Janice Rand. I think she identified an "executive" in her memoirs and everyone seems to think it was him.

Like most progressives Gene apparently had a ton of baggage he felt he needed to atone for in his professional life.

I have watched episode 1 of Picard. It is so fucking cringy. The dialog was put through an SJW AI script generator. The chick is literally told that she's amazing 30 seconds after she's on screen.

Also, in JJ/Kurtzman Trek am I correct - Romulus, Vulcan and now Mars are all destroyed? Veering into Star Wars, JJ destroyed the New Republic home planets. Fucking hacks, man.
 
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Tookie said:
That seems plausible just because Star Trek was the default thing for autistic weirdos to latch onto until the world wide web became widespread. Zoomer deviants have a lot more options today.
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That's probably one contributing factor. Another could be that the freaks would imagine the taboo against kiddy-diddling to be another of the "irrational" prejudices that 23rd/24th century humanity is supposed to have evolved beyond, and a third is that Trek appeals very strongly to the sort of introverted, socially-isolated children whom pedophiles tend to target in the first place, so being able to at least fake an interest Star Trek would be potentially useful in trying to get close to their intended victims. 🤔
 
Starscreams Cape said:
Also, in JJ/Kurtzman Trek am I correct - Romulus, Vulcan and now Mars are all destroyed? Veering into Star Wars, JJ destroyed the New Republic home planets. Fucking hacks, man.
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Also the weird thing about Mars is that the atmosphere is still burning (?) but the not-cylon attack only killed 90 000 people.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
Also, in JJ/Kurtzman Trek am I correct - Romulus, Vulcan and now Mars are all destroyed? Veering into Star Wars, JJ destroyed the New Republic home planets. Fucking hacks, man.
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It obviously wasn't JJ, but they just blew up Gallifrey (again) in Doctor Who. Seems like all these social justard fucks know how to do is destroy shit that came before.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
Gene apparently had a ton of baggage he felt he needed to atone for in his professional life.
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In Gene's case that turned out to be a problem, but in defense of using your work to express your baggage, a lot of Star Trek was based in the shadow of WW2 and all of the horrors that came with it and the early parts of the Cold War.

Considering some of the cast and a bunch of the filming crew were WW2 vets (including James Doohan who played Scotty and even lost a finger) there's probably a reason some of the performances in TOS are so memorable. Its also probably why there's so many scenes of people just fucking losing their minds over random shit, like disease or a combat mistake or some kind of mind control alien. A lot of the people working on the show probably saw that shit first hand.
 
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Tookie said:
That seems plausible just because Star Trek was the default thing for autistic weirdos to latch onto until the world wide web became widespread. Zoomer deviants have a lot more options today.
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I missed this one three pages ago but I almost find it kind of sad that it used to be so fucking lame to be a Star Trek fan even without being a pedo or a slashfic author. Now? Hating Star Trek is almost ridiculous compared to the shit that's out there. Even people unfamilar with it are like "Eh, I saw an episode once, just not my thing." Not to say some Star Trek fans haven't produced some fucked up, deranged shit over the years (your fandom has severe problems when Chakats are like the least awful thing its produced).

Stoneheart said:
but she is amazing, cloned from some subatomic particle. thats breaking every law of the universe, how can it not be amazing?
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You cannae change the laws of physics.
 
Stoneheart said:
but she is amazing, cloned from some subatomic particle. thats breaking every law of the universe, how can it not be amazing?
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She is dear to Picard in ways she cannot understand.

Even though on TNG when Data made a daughter Picard was insistant that she was simply an "invention".

This show is so fucking retarded.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
She is dear to Picard in ways she cannot understand.

Even though on TNG when Data made a daughter Picard was insistant that she was simply an "invention".

This show is so fucking exceptional.
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Eh to be fair to STP, two important things have changed since then- 1. Data died. And 2. Picard went senile.
 
Fluoxetine Man said:
Not to mention Picard questions his actions later on, saying that while letting the Borg live was the moral choice, it might not have been the right one.
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I have to say that I'm watching Voyager here and there. I started with end of Season three and haven't reached the end of Season Four yet so I don't know how this all goes but I find Seven of Nine's perspectives on the Borg really interesting. They didn't make her suddenly do a 180 on her views. She several times speaks really positively of the Collective. Like on the telepath planet episode talking about how assimilation is the ultimate form of understanding. I really like the character for the nuance they (writers and actress) bring to her and it's actually almost making me want to watch Picard. She's in it, right?
 
Overly Serious said:
I have to say that I'm watching Voyager here and there. I started with end of Season three and haven't reached the end of Season Four yet so I don't know how this all goes but I find Seven of Nine's perspectives on the Borg really interesting. They didn't make her suddenly do a 180 on her views. She several times speaks really positively of the Collective. Like on the telepath planet episode talking about how assimilation is the ultimate form of understanding. I really like the character for the nuance they (writers and actress) bring to her and it's actually almost making me want to watch Picard. She's in it, right?
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She will be, yeah.
 
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