Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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It's a shit time to be an Asian in a major North American city right now *sigh* Not even fucking Chinese and the stares are coming. Hopefully it'll keep everyone the fuck away on the train at least, especially hoping my fashionable p100 mask, gloves ,and goggles combo will prompt commuters to give me a wide berth.
People aren't giving you the eye because you look Asian-y. You're going out in a mask, gloves, and goggles, people think you're a nutter.
A lot of old people would die and a lot of old people do vote republican. But I am also assuming that more urban people will die as opposed to rural people (I could be wrong in that assumption) and since urban people tend to vote democrat more, it might all even out in the end.
Yeah, but the dead vote democrat
Where's the rally point in the afterlife, dear friends?
Hell.
 
Oh god somebody leak this to the paranoid "PEPE IS THE NEW SWASTIKA!" twitter checkmark brigade and tell them the alt right plan on infecting ethnic neighborhoods with super-ebola

This current pandemic is in urgent need of some good old fashioned nu-media hysterics
 
I was looking at that neat graph earlier; the 1 comparing epidemic curves of SARS, 2 Ebola outbreaks, pH1N1 & I think, Zika. It got me wondering how many countries saw SARS cases back in the day. The WHO website lists 32 countries that had SARS patients. Officially as of the last SitRep, 15 countries have seen cases - most imported directly from China. It will be interesting to see months from now, how many nations see cases:


Added late because I'm a drooling idiot...

Canada is reporting its 3rd presumptive case in Vancouver BC. 40 year businessman with frequent travel to China & recently in Wuhan. Got sick 24 hours after getting home, was well aware of recommended procedure & called health authorities. He was tested, (at home or health care setting?), presumptive positive & is in isolation at home:

The same as a cold and pneumonia. Coughing, shaking, breathing problems, and so on. And then you cough up blood after a week or so passed. By then, it's (most likely) too late. It's why it is a problem to notice this early.
Whelp. If I get bloody discharge as well, I'll provide dox on what hospital I go to for testing. My throat doesn't hurt, and not one of my glands are swollen. I've never, ever had a cold or flu that didn't hurt my throat or activate my glands. Time will tell I guess.
 
Do you guys believe the theory that the virus was man-made as a way for the Chinese government to curb the elderly population,Wuhan had some bio-tech labs, or do you believe the main culprit is just Chinese eating habits?
Well it's China, so either answer could be correct.
 
Don't think I've ever had a more Alex Jones thought than this, so its most definitely bullshit, but what if:

Chinese govt manufactured the virus knowing it would spread across borders, with a large chance of infecting Americans, and specifically since it's an election year, they want it to infect Trump. They hate his fucking guts for forcing them to the table on even a mostly-meaningless Phase One deal, and they'll gladly murder as many of their own people as possible to get one of them at his rallies. Or the Superbowl, Or voting booths in major cities.

Get out of my head, Jones.
 
Don't think I've ever had a more Alex Jones thought than this

Ironically - someone I know posted pretty much the same thought on his social media just now. You're at least not alone with that. Is this something that has been debated by the media somewhere? Or just a random thought that popped up for you?

On a lighter note: Want some tinfoil?

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(translation: a tinfoil-hat is not enough anymore)
 
Don't think I've ever had a more Alex Jones thought than this, so its most definitely bullshit, but what if:

Chinese govt manufactured the virus knowing it would spread across borders, with a large chance of infecting Americans, and specifically since it's an election year, they want it to infect Trump. They hate his fucking guts for forcing them to the table on even a mostly-meaningless Phase One deal, and they'll gladly murder as many of their own people as possible to get one of them at his rallies. Or the Superbowl, Or voting booths in major cities.

Get out of my head, Jones.
Well if they did it would be extremely stupid since bioweapons are pretty general and political higher ups are gonna get isolated with awesome medical care the very instant shit hits the fan on the big one. But they're commies, so it's possible they're that stupid.
 
this is exactly what I was saying previously. I have worked with China on medical research projects before and the culture is not compatible with the kind of flat structure he talks about. You train people, they nod, and then they do it their way. It’s not that people aren't smart -I’ve worked with really smart Chinese researchers and medics, it’s that they are hampered by this hierarchical system to the point you cannot work safely on certain things. More specifically, you cannot be sure sure of open honesty, early reporting of errors, correct reporting of negative results, correct reporting of safety data.
When you do certain things you’re looking for a null hypothesis, ie NewDrug is no superior to ExistingDrug. If you have a ‘yes culture’ the pressure is on to make NewDrug come out on top.
If errors happen , or rather when, because all biology is chaotic, you need to spot them early and look at them. We have a culture where a minion can say ‘hey otterly, I think something weird is happening here and it’s not good, can we look?’ And minion will get a reply of yes certainly, thank you, can you explain more and show me what’s up? Then it goes up the chain.
In a society where the end result is success regardless of if it actually works, the minion won’t report because they know they’ll be punished. The mid level people won’t report and will cover up and keep passing positive reports up the line.
It is really hard to work with, and it’s a shame because once you take people out of that cultural context, they work fine.
I wouldn’t trust anything that comes out of China simply because it all goes through CCP. I feel really sorry for the medics on the front line. Once the CDC and the European equivalents start reporting (which you’ll notice they are not committing to anything because they don’t know yet) it’ll be more reliable.
The more I’m reading about the labs involved, the more I think it could well be a cock up. It doesn’t even have to be a bio weapon - just a sample that has been wild collected for study and accidentally released. After SARS, people will have been collecting coronaviruses for study. Fuck knows how you do level 3-4 containment in a country where safety culture is secondary to party culture

I wanted to give you a 'winner', but null is tinkering and my little buttons of reply are messed up.

What you have said here is almost word for word what my friend has said about the difficulties of working with Chinese.
 
Ironically - someone I know posted pretty much the same thought on his social media just now. You're at least not alone with that. Is this something that has been debated by the media somewhere? Or just a random thought that popped up for you?

On a lighter note: Want some tinfoil?

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(translation: a tinfoil-hat is not enough anymore)
Nah, it's just a culmination of my general feelings RE: China and human rights, the general well-being of their citizenry, and the massive hate-boner they have for our current administration slapping tarriffs on their asses for the last three years.
Well if they did it would be extremely stupid since bioweapons are pretty general and political higher ups are gonna get isolated with awesome medical care the very instant shit hits the fan on the big one. But they're commies, so it's possible they're that stupid.
True, but Trump is old, fat, and probably has lungs that couldn't handle a mild jog. He travels the country and packs thousands of seats a night. I haven't heard any of those rallies screening people on entry yet.
 
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