Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[I Exist]

What makes you scared of chinks dying?

I'm more scared of the fact that some of them escaped quarantine and are God knows where right now with an infectious disease.

 

[HumanHive]

I'm more scared of the fact that some of them escaped quarantine and are God knows where right now with an infectious disease.

Well, the good news is that there hasn't been any confirmed human-to-human transmissions outside of China.
Edit: And of course just to prove me wrong, I expect to wake up tomorrow with said confirmation.
Edit2: Of course.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Well, the good news is that there hasn't been any confirmed human-to-human transmissions outside of China.
Edit: And of course just to prove me wrong, I expect to wake up tomorrow with said confirmation.

Don't have to wait that long!

Germany, Japan report first human-to-human transmission of coronavirus

 

[Autistic lurker]

Russia closed land borders with China

The border closures affect crossings in the Far East in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, Khabarovsk and Amur regions, TASS said. Russia and China share a 4,300 km (2,670 mile) border.

However it doesn't affect air travel, so it's useless move anyway. Article one day old, sorry if it was posted earlier.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I thought I'd contribute a meme:

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

View attachment 1120219
Sorry Tibet

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“Tibet, which is the only region of China with no confirmed cases of coronavirus, is now investigating a suspected case”

twitter.com

*Pulls thread over*

Fucking what? "The Only Region of China" okay faggots at BNO lets be real clear.

Tibet, is not a Region of China, Go fucking lick the asshole of some WuFlu victims.

 

[Xenomorph]

Chinese-American conservative commentator Kathy Zhu is super mad right now
View attachment 1120228
View attachment 1120229
View attachment 1120230
View attachment 1120231

Boy, this wont follow you at all, Kathy!
Also your dumb ass culture considers bats to b lucky yet its killing people not to mention your country would rather run over children than file an insurance claim. They finish off the job and then pay the families off, gotta keep those social points! Fuck off lol

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Coronavirus confirmed in UAE, the first in the Middle East. (Next week: virus mutates into 5 different strains, all of which hates each other and at war with one another, with foreign backing).

British Airways has suspended ALL flights to and from mainland China.

AUS Chief medical officer says that the virus is contagious before symptoms show.

---

Spoiler

Coronavirus contagious before symptoms show: chief medical officer
By Rachel Clun and Paul Sakkal Updated January 29, 2020 — 1.46pmfirst published at 1.44pm


Australia's chief medical officer Professor Brendan Murphy has confirmed health experts believe the new coronavirus is contagious before people show symptoms.
The major update in advice from health authorities comes as Victoria's chief medical officer confirmed there is a second case of coronavirus in that state.
Professor Murphy told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday that contacts of any confirmed coronavirus cases "now must be isolated in their home following exposure".

Australia's chief medical officer Brendan Murphy has changed the health advice on coronavirus after reports of transmission without symptoms.Credit:Jason South
The updated advice follows a meeting of the Australian Health Protection Principal committee on Wednesday afternoon, Professor Murphy said.

"The committee is aware of very recent cases of coronavirus who are at the time of diagnosis asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic," he said.
"We're also aware of one fairly convincing case of probable transmission from a pre-symptomatic case to other people two days prior to the onset of symptoms."
https://www.watoday.com.au/politics...ews-coronavirus-response-20200129-p53vqx.html
One million masks released as Australia reviews coronavirus response
That case was a Chinese national who travelled to Germany to talk at a conference and was apparently not displaying symptoms at the time, but developed them one or two days later. Since then, four people who were at that seminar have contracted the virus.
Professor Murphy stressed the information about that case was “very limited and preliminary”, and all the evidence from China suggested almost all of the cases were only infectious when patients were symptomatic. However, the committee wanted to take a "highly precautionary approach".

That precautionary approach now means people who have been in the Hubei province of China must be isolated in their home for 14 days after returning even if they do not have symptoms.
"Given the substantially lower number of cases in China reported outside of Hubei province, we do not currently recommend self-isolation for travellers from other parts of China or from other countries," Professor Murphy said.

https://kiwifarms.net/javascript:void(0);
Australians in Wuhan will be evacuated to Christmas Island, the Prime Minister has announced
"We are however closely monitoring the development of cases outside of the Hubei province and will update this advice if necessary."
It follows the announcement earlier on Wednesday that any Australians evacuated from Hubei would be quarantined on Christmas Island for 14 days. Health Minister Greg Hunt said that decision was made "on the basis of the medical advice".

Six cases in Australia

The new diagnosis takes the total of coronavirus cases in Australia to six. The man, aged in his 60s, tested positive on Wednesday morning. He is in isolation after going to the Monash Medical Centre with respiratory problems. The man was recently in Wuhan, and became unwell more then two days after returning to Melbourne.
Members of the man’s family were traveling in public places since the man returned from China, but have been quarantined since his positive test.
Victoria's chief medical officer Dr Brett Sutton said there are 14 pending results of people suspected of having the illness. A total of 61 negative tests have been returned.

In NSW the number of patients awaiting test results has also increased, with 16 ranging in age from two to 66 waiting to see whether or not they have the virus. More than 40 people in the state have been tested for the virus so far.
"The fact that we have 16 cases under investigation just reflects that we have broadened our testing," the state's chief health office Dr Kerry Chant said.
She said the cases had been less severe than those in China, where the virus has now killed more than 130 people, with two of the four NSW patients now significantly improved.
However, she said it was important for people who had been in Hubei province who experienced any symptoms - no matter how mild - to be tested.
"Even if you have that bit of runny nose, you are feeling just unwell, please come forward because we want to one, both detect those cases but also it will help us in our understanding [of the virus]," she said.

ANU Medical School Professor Peter Collignon, an expert in infectious diseases, said it was likely that most of the thousands of people with the coronavirus caught it from someone who had symptoms.
Professor Collignon said the expanding number of infections meant that the mortality rate was lower than initially feared, but that even a low mortality rate would have serious consequences if the virus spread rapidly.
"If you infect a million people, you would still have a lot of people very sick and a lot of people who die," he said.
With Dana McCauley

--

Welp, we are fucked, I guess.

 

[HumanHive]

Coronavirus confirmed in UAE, the first in the Middle East. (Next week: virus mutates into 5 different strains, all of which hates each other and at war with one another, with foreign backing).

British Airways has suspended ALL flights to and from mainland China.

I for one hope the freedom loving anti-Iranian strain wins out and kills us all.

 

[Otterly]

Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.

this is exactly what I was saying previously. I have worked with China on medical research projects before and the culture is not compatible with the kind of flat structure he talks about. You train people, they nod, and then they do it their way. It’s not that people aren't smart -I’ve worked with really smart Chinese researchers and medics, it’s that they are hampered by this hierarchical system to the point you cannot work safely on certain things. More specifically, you cannot be sure sure of open honesty, early reporting of errors, correct reporting of negative results, correct reporting of safety data.
When you do certain things you’re looking for a null hypothesis, ie NewDrug is no superior to ExistingDrug. If you have a ‘yes culture’ the pressure is on to make NewDrug come out on top.
If errors happen , or rather when, because all biology is chaotic, you need to spot them early and look at them. We have a culture where a minion can say ‘hey otterly, I think something weird is happening here and it’s not good, can we look?’ And minion will get a reply of yes certainly, thank you, can you explain more and show me what’s up? Then it goes up the chain.
In a society where the end result is success regardless of if it actually works, the minion won’t report because they know they’ll be punished. The mid level people won’t report and will cover up and keep passing positive reports up the line.
It is really hard to work with, and it’s a shame because once you take people out of that cultural context, they work fine.
I wouldn’t trust anything that comes out of China simply because it all goes through CCP. I feel really sorry for the medics on the front line. Once the CDC and the European equivalents start reporting (which you’ll notice they are not committing to anything because they don’t know yet) it’ll be more reliable.
The more I’m reading about the labs involved, the more I think it could well be a cock up. It doesn’t even have to be a bio weapon - just a sample that has been wild collected for study and accidentally released. After SARS, people will have been collecting coronaviruses for study. Fuck knows how you do level 3-4 containment in a country where safety culture is secondary to party culture

 

[Xenomorph]

About time.

Governor: Suspected coronavirus cases down to 3 in New York State


The number of suspected coronavirus cases in New York State grew to 10 Tuesday, but seven already have been ruled out, according to Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo's office.

The governor's office said three samples sent to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are still pending, while the number of confirmed cases across the United States remains at five. None are from New York.

One of the suspected cases involved a person who was "passing through" Nassau County, local health officials said. That individual has tested negative for the virus. Officials declined to say whether the person was a local resident or just visiting someone in Nassau.

Health officials in both Nassau and Suffolk said there are no suspected coronavirus cases in either county.


The 2019 Novel Coronavirus, known as 2019-nCoV, was first detected in Wuhan, China, last month. Government authorities in China have reported more than 4,500 confirmed cases of the virus. The death toll has topped 100, officials said.

Cases of the virus have been detected in 18 countries, including the United States.

“Americans should know this is a potentially very serious public health threat, but at this point Americans should not worry for their own safety,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said during a livestream news briefing in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday morning. “This is a fast-moving, constantly changing situation.”

The CDC also announced it is beefing up screenings at 15 more “quarantine stations” around the country, airports and other places where health workers regularly check arriving travelers for signs of illness.

So when I am getting from this is: "Just go to work, goys dont worry about your own SAFETY"

 

[No_one]

Meanwhile in Best Korea

N. Korea's official newspaper calls fight against coronavirus matter of national existence
All Headlines 08:37 January 29, 2020
SHARE LIKE SAVE PRINT
FONT SIZE
SEOUL, Jan. 29 (Yonhap) -- North Korea's official newspaper called Wednesday for a nationwide drive to stem the spread of the new coronavirus, calling such preventive efforts an "important political matter" that could affect national existence.

North Korean media outlets have reported almost daily on the fast-spreading outbreaks of the pneumonia-like illness in China and other nations, and Pyongyang's measures to keep the virus from spreading into the country, though it has not confirmed any case of its own.

"All party organizations should regard efforts of blocking the spread of the new coronavirus as an important political matter that has to do with national existence and strengthen (relevant) political activity," the Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of the North's ruling party, said in an article.

The paper also urged party organizations to make "active efforts" on medical supervision, diagnosis, and research and development on treatment drugs with regard to the new virus.

In a separate article, the paper underscored fears of the new virus, saying that Beijing had explained that the coronavirus could be transmitted by someone showing no symptoms and that around 5 million people had left the central Chinese city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the illness, before it was placed on an effective lockdown.

North Korea has beefed up its efforts to prevent the deadly contagious virus from spreading into the country.

Pyongyang reportedly has decided to keep all foreigners arriving in the country via China isolated for up to one month as part of efforts to prevent the spread of the new strain of coronavirus in the reclusive country.

The North has also asked South Korean officials working at a joint liaison office in the North's border town of Kaesong to put on masks as part of its beefed-up preventive efforts, according to Seoul's unification ministry. South Korea has reported four confirmed cases of the new coronavirus since early last week.

 

[RodgerDodger]

this is exactly what I was saying previously. I have worked with China on medical research projects before and the culture is not compatible with the kind of flat structure he talks about. You train people, they nod, and then they do it their way. It’s not that people aren't smart -I’ve worked with really smart Chinese researchers and medics, it’s that they are hampered by this hierarchical system to the point you cannot work safely on certain things. More specifically, you cannot be sure sure of open honesty, early reporting of errors, correct reporting of negative results, correct reporting of safety data.
When you do certain things you’re looking for a null hypothesis, ie NewDrug is no superior to ExistingDrug. If you have a ‘yes culture’ the pressure is on to make NewDrug come out on top.
If errors happen , or rather when, because all biology is chaotic, you need to spot them early and look at them. We have a culture where a minion can say ‘hey otterly, I think something weird is happening here and it’s not good, can we look?’ And minion will get a reply of yes certainly, thank you, can you explain more and show me what’s up? Then it goes up the chain.
In a society where the end result is success regardless of if it actually works, the minion won’t report because they know they’ll be punished. The mid level people won’t report and will cover up and keep passing positive reports up the line.
It is really hard to work with, and it’s a shame because once you take people out of that cultural context, they work fine.
I wouldn’t trust anything that comes out of China simply because it all goes through CCP. I feel really sorry for the medics on the front line. Once the CDC and the European equivalents start reporting (which you’ll notice they are not committing to anything because they don’t know yet) it’ll be more reliable.
The more I’m reading about the labs involved, the more I think it could well be a cock up. It doesn’t even have to be a bio weapon - just a sample that has been wild collected for study and accidentally released. After SARS, people will have been collecting coronaviruses for study. Fuck knows how you do level 3-4 containment in a country where safety culture is secondary to party culture

That dovetails into my experiences working with Chinese Engineers. They would never ever volunteer information. You had to drag it out of them 1 question at a time like a skilled interrogator. Even the most mundane things. According to a Chinese friend it is because their specific personal knowledge is the only thing that differentiates them from anyone else in China thus they share as little of it as possible to insure their status.

Meanwhile in Best Korea

N. Korea's official newspaper calls fight against coronavirus matter of national existence
All Headlines 08:37 January 29, 2020
SHARE LIKE SAVE PRINT
FONT SIZE
SEOUL, Jan. 29 (Yonhap) -- North Korea's official newspaper called Wednesday for a nationwide drive to stem the spread of the new coronavirus, calling such preventive efforts an "important political matter" that could affect national existence.
North Korean media outlets have reported almost daily on the fast-spreading outbreaks of the pneumonia-like illness in China and other nations, and Pyongyang's measures to keep the virus from spreading into the country, though it has not confirmed any case of its own.
"All party organizations should regard efforts of blocking the spread of the new coronavirus as an important political matter that has to do with national existence and strengthen (relevant) political activity," the Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of the North's ruling party, said in an article.
The paper also urged party organizations to make "active efforts" on medical supervision, diagnosis, and research and development on treatment drugs with regard to the new virus.
In a separate article, the paper underscored fears of the new virus, saying that Beijing had explained that the coronavirus could be transmitted by someone showing no symptoms and that around 5 million people had left the central Chinese city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the illness, before it was placed on an effective lockdown.
North Korea has beefed up its efforts to prevent the deadly contagious virus from spreading into the country.
Pyongyang reportedly has decided to keep all foreigners arriving in the country via China isolated for up to one month as part of efforts to prevent the spread of the new strain of coronavirus in the reclusive country.
The North has also asked South Korean officials working at a joint liaison office in the North's border town of Kaesong to put on masks as part of its beefed-up preventive efforts, according to Seoul's unification ministry. South Korea has reported four confirmed cases of the new coronavirus since early last week.

North Korea will probably have great success in fighting this. They have limited crossings with China. And it's not like they see much tourist traffic. The only problems it will cause is it shuts down the black market smuggling of food and consumer goods that runs in daily from China.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

this is exactly what I was saying previously. I have worked with China on medical research projects before and the culture is not compatible with the kind of flat structure he talks about. You train people, they nod, and then they do it their way. It’s not that people aren't smart -I’ve worked with really smart Chinese researchers and medics, it’s that they are hampered by this hierarchical system to the point you cannot work safely on certain things. More specifically, you cannot be sure sure of open honesty, early reporting of errors, correct reporting of negative results, correct reporting of safety data.
When you do certain things you’re looking for a null hypothesis, ie NewDrug is no superior to ExistingDrug. If you have a ‘yes culture’ the pressure is on to make NewDrug come out on top.
If errors happen , or rather when, because all biology is chaotic, you need to spot them early and look at them. We have a culture where a minion can say ‘hey otterly, I think something weird is happening here and it’s not good, can we look?’ And minion will get a reply of yes certainly, thank you, can you explain more and show me what’s up? Then it goes up the chain.
In a society where the end result is success regardless of if it actually works, the minion won’t report because they know they’ll be punished. The mid level people won’t report and will cover up and keep passing positive reports up the line.
It is really hard to work with, and it’s a shame because once you take people out of that cultural context, they work fine.
I wouldn’t trust anything that comes out of China simply because it all goes through CCP. I feel really sorry for the medics on the front line. Once the CDC and the European equivalents start reporting (which you’ll notice they are not committing to anything because they don’t know yet) it’ll be more reliable.
The more I’m reading about the labs involved, the more I think it could well be a cock up. It doesn’t even have to be a bio weapon - just a sample that has been wild collected for study and accidentally released. After SARS, people will have been collecting coronaviruses for study. Fuck knows how you do level 3-4 containment in a country where safety culture is secondary to party culture

Aw, don't worry. putting the approval of officials in a totalitarian government ahead of safety culture has never had any kind of serious ramifica---

......Oh......

 

[Lina Colorado]

Kathy Zhu is an obvious grifter in the consevative movement..like so many.
"You whites", "y'all", "ain't".... what's with the southern / ebonics speech, kathy?
She thinks she's down with the black mayn or something.

She's also covering up for the fact that she may have eaten some um.. exotic foods before and now
she feels called out by "racist" whiteys.
Peope aren't racist against the chinese race. But we are allowed to make fun of lost generation backwardness. Heck, the Chinese themselves are memeing about this atm.

 

[BipolarPon]

Do you guys believe the theory that the virus was man-made as a way for the Chinese government to curb the elderly population,Wuhan had some bio-tech labs, or do you believe the main culprit is just Chinese eating habits?

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Do you guys believe the theory that the virus was man-made as Wuhan had some bio-tech labs, as a way for the Chinese government to curb the elderly population, or do you believe the main culprit is Chinese eating habits.

No, I see no reason why the government would do that, given the enormous cost. I strongly believe that it is a totally natural thing, although the idea that is accidental release is not completely crazy.

Note that it could have originated elsewhere, it just first was noticed in Wuhan, then the Virology lab is red herring.

 

[cruisecontrol4cool]

Another confirmed Australian case, I don't think there's an article yet.
Source: ABC News Homepage (Archive from rn)

Update: Coronavirus concerns leave Chinese women's soccer team quarantined in Brisbane hotel (archive)
""A 44-year-old Chinese national, who is currently isolated in the Gold Coast University Hospital, has been confirmed to have novel coronavirus," Dr Young said in a statement on Wednesday night.
"The man, who is from the city of Wuhan (Hubei Province) is stable."
Dr Young earlier said 32 people in the Chinese women's soccer squad — including players and staff — travelled through the city of Wuhan one week ago, where the outbreak is believed to have begun."

Also, shoutout to NSW Health for ignoring China and telling everyone Wu Flu wasn't contagious without symptoms.
China has no motive to lie about this being worse than it is.

 

[BipolarPon]

No, I see no reason why the government would do that, given the enormous cost. I strongly believe that it is a totally natural thing, although the idea that is accidental release is not completely crazy.

Note that it could have originated elsewhere, it just first was noticed in Wuhan, then the Virology lab is red herring.

As a bat lover, you aren't going to get a disease from bats unless you eat them or destroy their habitat which causes them to feed near livestock, so good job china.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

What the fuck are you on about? The UK lost track of 1,500 tourists from Wuhan. They're not on top of a fucking thing.

Memery aside, the UK does not actually have CCTV cameras on every street corner and up everyone's arseholes (just god-awful places like London). Wide, wide swathes of the country are untouched by cameras, or at best shitty dome ones inside stores. We don't inject you with fucking microchips upon your entry which play "God Save The Queen" when scanned so we know where you are while you are visiting here.

Most chink tourists go on relatively fixed tours to places like London and Stratford Upon Avon as well as more countryside areas near dense cities such as the Cotswoulds (also near Stratford). So the advice of "Isolate in place" namely in their hotel rooms is the best advice we can give at the present time.

We're still clear on the Coronavirus at the moment this might change, this might not. The NHS is already on standby with advise being dispensed through its internal channels as of Monday this week. Flights from China are being screened and 96 people have so far been checked for having the coronavirus and come up clear. Our systems are doing their best, but London is still going to be one of the most vulnerable cities on Earth.

Good.

Oh, and as of this morning British Airways has now suspended all flights to Mainland China, meaning the STAR Alliance has done the same most likely.