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Fat Is Divinity said:
Has anyone got the statistics for 29/01? The only ones I'm coming across at the moment are from yesterday. I don't believe for a second that they've slowed down the virus, nor that it's plateaued out of nowhere having just overtaken the Sars virus.
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Also where's that convenient prediction table thing? Would be real useful to have it updated
 
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Pixy Misa said:
I know some people are feeling bad for, maybe, overreacting. I am too.

But, to be fair, a pandemic Spanish flu level virus that is being covered by the Chinese government vs a nothing burger flu that, although still something to be careful, won't be a big ideal, in the long run, outside of Chine were virtually indistinguishable when we first heard the news.

And everyone was, and some still are, talking based on suppositions more than hard evidence.
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The thing that keeps getting me is that I can see no real reason why China would react this way for a nothingburger. If it isn’t all that lethal they have no reason to respond this way. If they’re trying increase their control over the populous or manufacture some propaganda about the greatness of the CPC, there are almost certainly ways to do it that don’t involve measures that blow up their economy for months at minimum and expose more people to the fact that the Chinese eat anything, have medieval sanitation, and trust what amounts to a less entertaining version of voodoo over real medicine.
It’s also funny when this shit reminds you how much all the other East Asians hate these people. I brought up this craziness around a Korean guy that I play video games with; and it switched without pause between him mocking his coworkers’ hysteria over this and him saying how much he hates the Mainland Chinese.
 
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Ad Lib Moaning said:
The France, Canada, and Germany cases is why someone mentioned before that its not okay to pretend everything is 100% fine, that this will be 100% nothing. Yes, we survived the swine flu and so on. Yes, our immune systems are better than the Chinese. Yes, this has a chance to be a nothingburger but shit like this relies on human stupidity to fuck shit up for the worse.
AND this is a new strain with zero herd immunity. Even if this happens to be nothing, this will stay with us for possibly years, not helped by the antivaxers around.
Yet when I mention about that last detail to friends and such, I get handwaved with "reports are fearmongering", "we survived the swine flu, this can't be worse", "this is all a smokescreen by the government" and etc.
It is okay to be a bit worried and be prepared, but damn it, muffling it all wouldn't do any good. Calm down others from panicking too much, keep an watchful eye, have some ready materials; and if this happens to be nothing, laugh with each other at being 'too overreactional', but know that your materials and watchful demeanor is always ready for the next big thing.
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i'd rather look back at myself being a paranoid idiot that went and bought a years worth of food and survival supplies for no reason than the idiot that did nothing when all the warnings signs were there and people kept telling me how serious it was.
 
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Fat Is Divinity said:
Has anyone got the statistics for 29/01? The only ones I'm coming across at the moment are from yesterday. I don't believe for a second that they've slowed down the virus, nor that it's plateaued out of nowhere having just overtaken the Sars virus.
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Ad Lib Moaning said:
The France, Canada, and Germany cases is why someone mentioned before that its not okay to pretend everything is 100% fine, that this will be 100% nothing. Yes, we survived the swine flu and so on. Yes, our immune systems are better than the Chinese. Yes, this has a chance to be a nothingburger but shit like this relies on human stupidity to fuck shit up for the worse.
AND this is a new strain with zero herd immunity. Even if this happens to be nothing, this will stay with us for possibly years, not helped by the antivaxers around.
Yet when I mention about that last detail to friends and such, I get handwaved with "reports are fearmongering", "we survived the swine flu, this can't be worse", "this is all a smokescreen by the government" and etc.
It is okay to be a bit worried and be prepared, but damn it, muffling it all wouldn't do any good. Calm down others from panicking too much, keep an watchful eye, have some ready materials; and if this happens to be nothing, laugh with each other at being 'too overreactional', but know that your materials and watchful demeanor is always ready for the next big thing.
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This is probably something you've thought of already, but let me suggest a different rhetorical strategy that might work where people are unresponsive to reasonable discussion about preparedness.

The government of the Chinese nation is taking this seriously. It is quarantining tens of millions, and long-distance travel is being severely discouraged. This will severely impact their economy, and the Chinaman cares very much about prosperity.

Other countries are not taking this seriously and quarantining Chinese travellers. Unfortunately, some nations are beholden to Chinese support thanks to various reasons, but the likes of the US and Europe have no excuse.

Given that your country is almost certainly not taking this seriously, it is not unreasonable to think that something very bad may occur. It isn't that unreasonable to make sure that one is prepared for an entirely predictable disaster. If not this, then earthquakes, fires, hurricanes. For a problem like this to occur is certain, and one should be ready to look after one's own family and preferably the wider community should it occur.

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i'd rather look back at myself being a paranoid idiot that went and bought a years worth of food and survival supplies for no reason than the idiot that did nothing when all the warnings signs were there and people kept telling me how serious it was.
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Well, make sure to cycle them out and replace them once this blows over. This event is nothing that could not occur on your doorstep tomorrow.
 
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Takayuki Yagami said:
The thing that keeps getting me is that I can see no real reason why China would react this way for a nothingburger. If it isn’t all that lethal they have no reason to respond this way. If they’re trying increase their control over the populous or manufacture some propaganda about the greatness of the CPC, there are almost certainly ways to do it that don’t involve measures that blow up their economy for months at minimum and expose more people to the fact that the Chinese eat anything and trust what amounts to a less entertaining version of voodoo over real medicine.
It’s also funny when this shit reminds you how much all the other East Asians hate these people. I brought up this craziness around a Korean guy that I play video games with; and it switched without pause between him mocking his coworkers’ hysteria over this and him saying how much he hates the Mainland Chinese.
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I have never met, once, a South Korean who does not hate the Chinese. I have met younger folks who will opine sadly about how conservative their country is regarding LGBT folks but seriously fuck all Chinese people.
 
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DonaldLump said:
I find it fishy that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is about 8 miles from the marketplace they say the disease originated from. but at the same time, i cant believe this was done on purpose. Surely there are more quite, cheap and safer ways of curbing the population than this. I mean the utter devastation to their economy this must be wreaking.

Perhaps its an embarrassing accidental leak or breach that they are trying to contain and fix asap so as not to loose face. Like Chernobyl, they will deny the extent of the damage until its irrefutable, then concede the irrefutable facts and deny the rest until they become irrefutable. so on, and so forth... but thats just my speculation.

I just cant believe it was intentional. too much collateral damage.
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Would explain why China is reacting the way they are. Would be embarrassing af to admit that they accidentally leaked a bioweapon. I bet they might’ve been experimenting on bats and some janitor or someone sold that shit at that market. Even in the US, there have been escaped lab experiments before. If it can happen here with our stringent controls and experience with biohazard level 4 stuff, I guarantee it can happen in China.
 
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I read somewhere that the Chinese are updating the figures twice a day, at 8am and... 3, maybe? Since I have no damn idea what time that is in GMT or ET it didn't stick. But they aren't updating them in real time like the maps and counters make it look. Only the international figures are going up as they are announced.
 
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I read somewhere that the Chinese are updating the figures twice a day, at 8am and... 3, maybe? Since I have no damn idea what time that is in GMT or ET it didn't stick. But they aren't updating them in real time like the maps and counters make it look. Only the international figures are going up as they are announced.
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Update is about 2 hours from now I think.
 
Ad Lib Moaning said:
The France, Canada, and Germany cases is why someone mentioned before that its not okay to pretend everything is 100% fine, that this will be 100% nothing. Yes, we survived the swine flu and so on. Yes, our immune systems are better than the Chinese. Yes, this has a chance to be a nothingburger but shit like this relies on human stupidity to fuck shit up for the worse.
AND this is a new strain with zero herd immunity. Even if this happens to be nothing, this will stay with us for possibly years, not helped by the antivaxers around.
Yet when I mention about that last detail to friends and such, I get handwaved with "reports are fearmongering", "we survived the swine flu, this can't be worse", "this is all a smokescreen by the government" and etc.
It is okay to be a bit worried and be prepared, but damn it, muffling it all wouldn't do any good. Calm down others from panicking too much, keep an watchful eye, have some ready materials; and if this happens to be nothing, laugh with each other at being 'too overreactional', but know that your materials and watchful demeanor is always ready for the next big thing.
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I feel like a lot of people are seeing it as very black and white in that it's either world ending "The Stand" shit or it counts as "nothing". It doesn't have to be the apocalypse to be a significant threat to world health.

Pandemics are a matter of "when", not "if" and the threat of one is worth taking seriously. You don't stop wearing your seatbelt just because your last car trip didn't end in an accident.
 
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