Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Shick]

For anyone curious as to why so many people are unconcerned about the rapidity of this spreading in the Western world, you should take a minute to pore over some "Chinese street food" videos for a better understanding as to how pathogens can be rapidly transmitted through Chinese society, especially at the rural level, because of their almost non-existent sanitation. I realize that this doesn't paint an entire picture and it's just a small facet of the problem, but it really helps illuminate a core problem in Chinese culture when it comes to preventative measures.

Sanitary precautions are not as prevalent in China as they are in more developed countries-- in fact they barely exist at all-- and as a result it is overwhelmingly common for Chinese food vendors to make and prepare and serve food in open-air areas with no gloves, they'll leave enormous amounts of food sitting in the open air with no food coverings, they'll have no proper place for utensils and plates and more often than not they'll just slap plates and bowls down right on top of the damned food, even after the bowl had been sitting on a dirty table that was maybe lightly dusted off, first.

Then on top of all that, the serving area winds up being packed with people who are failing to meet the same, basic, hygienic requirements. They'll sit on the floor--if there's even a floor-- they'll eat off of stools, they'll touch anything and everything with their bare hands which likely have not been washed at any point during their day job. All-in-all it's just a germ circus and even in backwoods, Kentucky flea markets you're likely to still find food preparation that's more sanitary than the average Chinese rural vendor.

Spoiler: Here's a few examples

Don't forget the lovely gutter oil and side of live bees.

There are dozens of videos like these on youtube, the two here were just the top results.

 

[Cryonic Haunted Bullets]

Honestly, we're kind of lucky that this virus broke out in a country with an authoritarian government capable of quickly shutting down entire cities. If Corona-chan had initially reared her ugly head in, say, Pakistan or Nigeria, there'd be no stopping her.

 

[knobslobbin]

Interesting video, claims that men are more susceptible because of more ACE2 receptors in the lungs.

 

[Peddler9822]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat-borne_virus

Why the fuck would you even handle these things?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

For anyone curious as to why so many people are unconcerned about the rapidity of this spreading in the Western world, you should take a minute to pore over some "Chinese street food" videos for a better understanding as to how pathogens can be rapidly transmitted through Chinese society, especially at the rural level, because of their almost non-existent sanitation. I realize that this doesn't paint an entire picture and it's just a small facet of the problem, but it really helps illuminate a core problem in Chinese culture when it comes to preventative measures.

Sanitary precautions are not as prevalent in China as they are in more developed countries-- in fact they barely exist at all-- and as a result it is overwhelmingly common for Chinese food vendors to make and prepare and serve food in open-air areas with no gloves, they'll leave enormous amounts of food sitting in the open air with no food coverings, they'll have no proper place for utensils and plates and more often than not they'll just slap plates and bowls down right on top of the damned food, even after the bowl had been sitting on a dirty table that was maybe lightly dusted off, first.

Then on top of all that, the serving area winds up being packed with people who are failing to meet the same, basic, hygienic requirements. They'll sit on the floor--if there's even a floor-- they'll eat off of stools, they'll touch anything and everything with their bare hands which likely have not been washed at any point during their day job. All-in-all it's just a germ circus and even in backwoods, Kentucky flea markets you're likely to still find food preparation that's more sanitary than the average Chinese rural vendor.

Spoiler: Here's a few examples

Well, here in NYC, under the benevolent Chairman De Blasio, illegal Mexican street food vendors without a license thrive because Espaillat, who finally got Charlie Rangel's seat, is the biggest advocate for these parasites. Did I mention they don't have permits to sell food on the street? It's racist to make them get permits, you're a Nazi if you believe otherwise. There's a filthy looking Mexican woman who comes out to sell her homemade tamales near my building. She wears no gloves and sells them from a shopping cart. The only people who buy them are the rich white libs in the area who apparently have never been to Mexico during Spring break and were never warned against buying Mexican street food because vendors have horrible hygiene and non-existent sanitary practices. Their customers come down with hepatitis, thyroid and e.coli after eating this delicious street food. Any Mexican with an IQ over 90 will stop you from buying street food. I wonder if these woketards think hepatitis/typhoid magically disappears when illegals wade across the Rio Grande?

So I predict if the bat flu explodes in NYC these illegal street food vendors will play a huge part in spreading it but any mention of it will be memoryholed because it's racist.

I haven't even mentioned the Chinese street food vendors and wet markets we have in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens. I wouldn't be surprised if they supplied, upon request, strange and exotic critters to their customers, at premium prices. I used to work in a part of Chinatown that few tourists saw and I got the feeling you could get anything you wanted, as long as you were willing to pay for it.

 

[thx1138]

I wonder if anyone ever told the top CCP leadership that if you want a world-class country, you really should have a much better medical system than presently exists

I'm sure some have, and their livers, kidneys, corneas and lungs likely served the party very well.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Don't forget the lovely gutter oil and side of live bees.

There are dozens of videos like these on youtube, the two here were just the top results.

This is why Japan >>>>> China

I'm not even a weeb, but how are these two countries BOTH Asian? Japan eats a lot of weird ass shit as well (You put in Japanese street food and you get horrifying results as well) but they still retain their dignity in being some of the cleanest people on earth. I never fully realized this until I watched some Japanese person putting in the utter most effort in cleaning up a fucking ant farm.

It's one of the things I most admire about their culture.

 

[Muttnik]

Do the Chinese practice bathing daily? Not being condescending. Just genuinely curious.

 

[Kane Lives]

I'm not even a weeb, but how are these two countries BOTH Asian? Japan eats a lot of weird ass shit as well (You put in Japanese street food and you get horrifying results as well) but they still retain their dignity in being some of the cleanest people on earth. I never fully realized this until I watched some Japanese person putting in the utter most effort in cleaning up a fucking ant farm.

Keep in mind, up till 40-50 years ago, the very same Chinese you see eating these street food were fucking dirt-poor peasants who knew only poverty and medieval level of living, and resorted to eating whatever they could catch off the land. That's why you see a lot of these weird foods and a general disregard for hygeine in general. Why bother about hygeine when you don't know if you can eat the next day? These people are mostly still stuck in that "peasant" mindset, and will continue to do so for at least a generation or two.

Japan started modernising in the 19th century. I bet you dollar to doughnuts that their living conditions then were as filthy as China was today. China only started modernising in the 1960s. You can clothe the peasant in modern wear, but he'd still be a peasant deep down.

Do the Chinese practice bathing daily? Not being condescending. Just genuinely curious.

Diasporan Chinese do, like most civilized, westernized people. I can't say what mainlanders do however.

 

[Jann_Hörn]

Do the Chinese practice bathing daily? Not being condescending. Just genuinely curious.

From anecdotal evidence it depends on the person, but a heavy leaning towards no. Generally they only clean when they feel it’s a problem which can be daily or could be 3 times a week and sometimes less.

 

[MechanicusAdmin]

The real question here is, how long until we have the first Kiwi to be a legit confirmed case. And who will it be

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

For anyone curious as to why so many people are unconcerned about the rapidity of this spreading in the Western world, you should take a minute to pore over some "Chinese street food" videos for a better understanding as to how pathogens can be rapidly transmitted through Chinese society, especially at the rural level, because of their almost non-existent sanitation. I realize that this doesn't paint an entire picture and it's just a small facet of the problem, but it really helps illuminate a core problem in Chinese culture when it comes to preventative measures.

Sanitary precautions are not as prevalent in China as they are in more developed countries-- in fact they barely exist at all-- and as a result it is overwhelmingly common for Chinese food vendors to make and prepare and serve food in open-air areas with no gloves, they'll leave enormous amounts of food sitting in the open air with no food coverings, they'll have no proper place for utensils and plates and more often than not they'll just slap plates and bowls down right on top of the damned food, even after the bowl had been sitting on a dirty table that was maybe lightly dusted off, first.

Then on top of all that, the serving area winds up being packed with people who are failing to meet the same, basic, hygienic requirements. They'll sit on the floor--if there's even a floor-- they'll eat off of stools, they'll touch anything and everything with their bare hands which likely have not been washed at any point during their day job. All-in-all it's just a germ circus and even in backwoods, Kentucky flea markets you're likely to still find food preparation that's more sanitary than the average Chinese rural vendor.

Spoiler: Here's a few examples

It's been covered before but it's much worse than that, the mainland chinese are practically anti-hygienic. I'll link the ADV China video covering chinese hygiene.
They do not wash hands and they spit everywhere because it's "healthy". Just a goddamn mess.

 

[Coleslaw]

That's a CCP propaganda outfit, so I give it a 50/50 chance of being complete bs or being true because the doctors are all dead/Xi wanted to purge someone/that guy is a moron.

They are making civil servants who are not related to health or able to help with the pandemic report to work without overtime, probably inadvertently spreading the disease.

 

[Angry New Ager]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat-borne_virus

Why the fuck would you even handle these things?

Years ago, I volunteered for a wildlife rehab. Volunteers could handle most of the birds and animals (with proper training), and if they observed strict sanitary protocols and wore the right PPE, they could also help with hands-on care for species such as raccoons and harbor seals, both of which carry nasty pathogens that can infect humans.

But bats? Those little dudes were strictly staff-only; volunteers weren't even allowed in the shed where they were housed and treated. Rabies wasn't the only virus they could potentially pass along to humans, and minimizing the number of humans who had direct contact with the bats was the best way to minimize risk (and the rehab's liability, should a volunteer catch anything).

So that some Chinese actually eat bats? FUCKING MADNESS.

 

[tehpope]

The real question here is, how long until we have the first Kiwi to be a legit confirmed case. And who will it be

No one cause we're all fucking neets who don't leave our homes.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

For anyone curious as to why so many people are unconcerned about the rapidity of this spreading in the Western world, you should take a minute to pore over some "Chinese street food" videos for a better understanding as to how pathogens can be rapidly transmitted through Chinese society, especially at the rural level, because of their almost non-existent sanitation. I realize that this doesn't paint an entire picture and it's just a small facet of the problem, but it really helps illuminate a core problem in Chinese culture when it comes to preventative measures.

Sanitary precautions are not as prevalent in China as they are in more developed countries-- in fact they barely exist at all-- and as a result it is overwhelmingly common for Chinese food vendors to make and prepare and serve food in open-air areas with no gloves, they'll leave enormous amounts of food sitting in the open air with no food coverings, they'll have no proper place for utensils and plates and more often than not they'll just slap plates and bowls down right on top of the damned food, even after the bowl had been sitting on a dirty table that was maybe lightly dusted off, first.

Then on top of all that, the serving area winds up being packed with people who are failing to meet the same, basic, hygienic requirements. They'll sit on the floor--if there's even a floor-- they'll eat off of stools, they'll touch anything and everything with their bare hands which likely have not been washed at any point during their day job. All-in-all it's just a germ circus and even in backwoods, Kentucky flea markets you're likely to still find food preparation that's more sanitary than the average Chinese rural vendor.

Spoiler: Here's a few examples

Chinatown restaurants in major cities are just as disgusting as mainland China. Cutting vegetables on the floors, not following the health code, etc. I know of a few cities where China town is a ghost town with no Chinese restaurants anymore because they were so filthy the health departments eventually got them all shut down.

I bet Italy is happy their have a PM willing to do the fight thing and halt travel to and from China. Fucking Chinese tourists are god awful to be around even when they’re not bringing viruses with them.

 

[soft breathing]

It's your friendly German translator with some news again.

Epidemie: Weiterer Coronavirus-Fall in Bayern

In Bayern hat sich ein weiterer Mensch mit dem neuartigen Coronavirus aus China infiziert. Auch er ist ein Mitarbeiter des Automobilzulieferers Webasto. Weitere Testergebnisse stehen noch aus.

www.tagesschau.de

TL;DR:
- Another guy from the first company is now confirmed infected.
- They're planning on testing all of the 110 'people who came in contact with the possibly ill ones' asap.
- They're telling hospitals to 'be prepared'.
- They'll probably release the test results by today.
-The 90 or so Germans they're bringing back from the Wuhan-region to Germany on Saturday will now be put under quarantine in (military) barracks for two weeks.

---

Unconfirmed since I've only heard it on the radio again: Apparently there's another suspected case in north-eastern Germany. But I haven't found any written confirmation about that yet.

 

[Stoneheart]

they could also help with hands-on care for species such as raccoons and harbor seals

I hobe that involved hitting them with a heavy metal bar.

But bats? Those little dudes were strictly staff-only; volunteers weren't even allowed in the shed where they were housed and treated. Rabies wasn't the only virus they could potentially pass along to humans, and minimizing the number of humans who had direct contact with the bats was the best way to minimize risk (and the rehab's liability, should a volunteer catch anything).

we have bats in our house, the tower room is sealed as hell and the one time we had a young bat on our balcony, the animal control came with masks.
and european bats are pretty clean if compared to other countries.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

Top pic is a Trump meeting, bottom Obama meeting.

I don't give flying fuck one who is on any coronavirus committee as long as they know their stuff and can help work the problem. Anyone who values "diversity" over competence is just fucking insane. Typical Communist News Network.

The two parts of Live Leak video don't match. First part looks to be somewhere other than China, on a summer day. People wearing summer clothes, from what I can see don't look Asian at all. Second part definitely from China.

State Department not recommending travel to China is a biggie. Tells me that China hasn't a handle on this outbreak at all, much less have it under control. Has China accepted any foreign aid yet? They really should - the "face" has been lost for good. Everyone sees just how fucked up things are there.

I wonder if anyone ever told the top CCP leadership that if you want a world-class country, you really should have a much better medical system than presently exists. You know zillions of yuan have been spent building all these buildings and certain infrastructure. Need to ask why money hasn't been spent on REALLY important infrastructure, such as water works/water treatment plants/sewer systems, and not just good hospitals, but local area clinics worthy of the name. Most likely not. In China, the turtle that sticks the neck out gets the head chopped off, historically. Believe many, many innocent people will pay the price for this deficient national development. All the top leaders care about is things looking good. Anyone can lead when things look good. The true test of leadership is getting things accomplished when the shit is hitting the fan, and in China it's hitting industrial-size fans by the trainload. Wonder if Emperor Xi has made any public statements recently. Perhaps he realizes he now has no clothes.

Some thoughts - we are far better able than China to deal with a major epidemic/pandemic. Much higher quality health system in general, fairly robust primary care available. Lots of doc-in-a-boxes and nurse practitioner-in-a-boxes around the country. Our national hygiene overall is much better. You can drink tap water anywhere in the USA safely, at least that coming from water systems.

One poster said that if many of the elderly died our economy would be very bad for the economy since they control so much of the GDP. Not really. Not all elderly people are rich. I hope we wouldn't lose anyone due to this virus but have to wait, see, and prepare.

They need to spend money re-educating their people to not eat fucking bats, eggs soaked in young male urine, gutter oil, etc.

China needs another cultural revolution but it would be at the expense of the CCCP’s existence because they wouldn’t be able to keep an educated, unselfish population under control.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

This is why Japan >>>>> China

I'm not even a weeb, but how are these two countries BOTH Asian? Japan eats a lot of weird ass shit as well (You put in Japanese street food and you get horrifying results as well) but they still retain their dignity in being some of the cleanest people on earth. I never fully realized this until I watched some Japanese person putting in the utter most effort in cleaning up a fucking ant farm.

It's one of the things I most admire about their culture.

One thing .... Japan didn't go through decades of brutal repressive, isolationist Maoism/Communism with all its depravities and indignities in the past century. While Japan and China both have been through centuries-long periods of total self-isolation historically, and Japan's main exports pre-war were little more than rice and peasant soldiers, Japan started opening itself to international trade with the west, and modernising (albeit it at gunboat-point, but hey, whatever works) in the 1860s.

Though it went off on imperial military adventures in the rest of Asia (for which it is not remembered fondly, by anyone) Japan actually spent much of the 20th century when not at war actually importing knowledge and ideas. and advancing its standards of living and education based on what it learned from the west. Its first modern legal constitution in the Meiji era of modernisation after opening up to the rest of the world for the first time in centuries - the 1860s - was based on British/Prussian models of constitutional monarchy. 'Western' medicine and medical knowledge were also introduced at this point. The authors of the amended post-war 1947 Japanese constitution were from the occupying USA. Though it has remained unqiuely Japanese, the country has been incredibly intellectually curious in absorbing much from the west in terms of science, technology and medicine and applying it for a long time now.

China got stuck in utter backward ideological backwater of Maoist stupidity for 60 odd years, post civil war, cut itself off from the west and its great advances, only really communicating with other Commie nations, and even then with great tension at various points, and what we see now is the result of that cultural retardation and massive trauma paired with an urgent need to catch up while still holding onto the ideological apparatus of party and state that has held them back.

Teel Deer: Japan has been quietly absorbing tech and ideas and thinking freely for the most part in its own way for 160 years now. China while having advanced in recent times, still has an underlying repressive ideological model and backward cultural traits from its history of massive poverty that hold it back developmentally. China's modernization is more of a veneer.

It's always struck me as interesting that both Korea and Japan have strong spa cultures, not just the luxury end of onsens and so on, but with public bathhouses for all to use to stay clean that exist even in the modern era to serve those whostill don't have private bathrooms, and both have all these almost ritualistic ways of bathing engrained in the entire populaton, while China has none of that. It's just a really different culture, although historically Japan has many roots in Chinese culture (go back 1000 years and the Japanese court operated in Chinese, not Japanese, which was considered a language only women wrote in), they've diverged mightily as time wore on.

Oh, and Japan is way smaller too, obviously. I think the relative size may also have something to do with China's intractable problems. Way harder for progress to reach the farflung areas of a huge country and the massively and generationally isolated peasants in them than those in a small one .