Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

joconnell@irishtimes.com
https://twitter.com/jenoconnell

https://web.archive.org/web/2019090...certain-men-1.4002264?localLinksEnabled=false
Found this thought-provoking indeed.

 

[The Last Stand]

And speaking of the environment, you’re a denialist. Your views are in all likelihood more irrelevant than Greta’s.

Is it honestly too much to ask that:

If you're a corporation or business that pollutes the Earth, you should pay a fee to contribute to making air quality or what have you better for the Earth?
Reduce, reuse and recycle?
Clean up behind yourself?
Explore other methods of fuel or transportation that doesn't harm the Earth too much? I mean experiment with it, not take out existing methods of such.

 

[Jarolleon]

I’ll bite into this ‘tism.

1.) Okay, if she’s of no consequence then why has no other activist with similar resources has amassed such a notoriety, kid or adult?
2.) You have neither the credentials nor a direct line of communication with Greta Thunberg to substantiate this ‘diagnosis’. It’s only useful for
3.) This point, because your entire line of reasoning does not confine itself to Greta’s attested illnesses...
Rather, it is exacerbated by a faulty deductive reasoning in which Greta is reduced to an automaton. If she has even a smidgen of agency, your argument would fall apart quickly.
4.) I know enough about human cognition to call out folk intuitions when I see them. No, being an adult with substantive experiences does not automatically make your input more valuable than a teen’s. In this instance, Greta’s advocacy often coincides with the findings granted by the world’s scientific community. Science does not operate by one’s accrued experiences, but by the prudence of an impartial research. Regardless of Greta’s understanding or a lack thereof (of Climate Change) her most avowed critics appeal to common sense and whatever else to de-legitimize her concerns. That is peak boomerism. Nothing more.
5.) The purpose of being part of an advocacy or a campaign is to raise awareness on a given issue. Greta has attained just that.
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5?) The whole point is that she has gained strong notoriety that far exceeds any child actors short-lived fame.

The difference between Mister Gotcha and a non-strawman is that the accusation of hypocrisy isn't the sole argument, it's the parting shot after the argument is made.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

She hasn't done anything. She's a special needs puppet. She is run day to day in her activities by one Luisa Neubauer, a German green activist employed by the ONE Foundation who decides Greta's movements and put the words in her mouth. Everything Greta says that sounds coherent is written for her by adults and memorized. She's the Swedish equivalent of James Harries, but groomed to appeal to people who jizz over 'green issues' and are impressed by child performers.

Greta is useless offscript because she is a longstanding official sped of rather epic proportions. She went to a sped school in Sweden for the most delicate cases, because she has a long history of not just aspergers, but also selective mutism, obsessive compulsive disroder, ADHD, depression and anxiety plus an eating disorder at merely eight years old where she refused to eat and lost a lot of weight (10kgs in twomonths) according to her father) which for a small child who is supposed to be growing, is catastrophic.

This eating disorder explains her tiny, barely pubescent looking and undersized stature at 17. She's physically stunted from her longstanding refusal to eat and god knows what her mental functioning is like with aspergers, OCD, anxiety , ADHD and the effects of self-starvation. Basically it won't be normal or healthy although her aspergers and anxiety are harnessed well by adults to memorize scripts and fuel her 'concern' about things she doesn't have any perspective of, being a special needs kid who sees reality through a prism of mental and neurological disorders. Nobody knows what if any drug regime this child is on given this massive roster of diagnoses. She is probably on a daily pharma count that will make your eyes water to manage the ADHD, anxiety and depression and god knows what other comorbidities she suffers from the Aspergers. I wouldn't be surprised isf some form of epilepsy is in there too as it is frequent co-morbidity alongside OCD in people with this diagnosis.

Her school was set up for speds with so many problems that students didn't even have to go if you do not feel like it, which render her alleged 'school strike' meaningless. Greta's school day was always was entirely optional, she could opt not to go on a normal day or for weeks at a time and not be in any trouble for non-attendance. So 'Greta started a school strike' was not even possible, It was a stunt set up by Bo Thorén, a Swedish green activist from the group Fossil Free Dalsland who had contacted Greta's family after she won some kind of essay competition in which she bleated autistically about climate, which she was groomed into focusing her anxieties on.

Her parents used her to promote the mother's book about climate change., Her mother is a singer, who had no background in anything scientific, but she does have a lot of money and a lot of contacts in media and entertainments and a lot of knowledge as to set up a 'child star'. Her father is also heavily involved.

So we already have a group of four named adults with professed and clear political agendas - Luisa Neubauer, and Bo Thoren who use Greta to achieve their own ends and her mother Malena and her father Svante Thunberg who use her to sell books for them. How many other aduts are involved day to day in producing the show called 'Greta' is anyone;s guess.

Really Greta is no different from any other child star as the products of stage parents and adults who groom and exploit them to make money and push an agenda. Greta reads scripts and no doubt thrives on the idea - a false idea - that is she achieving something being flown and driven around the world on endless holidays, and has enjoyed going from a low status sped in a school for losers to being worshipped and photogrpahed and referred to in glowing terms by world leaders and all sorts of other people who should know way better but also have their own agenda to sell involving 'climate change' and all the lovely taxes they wish to impose to cure it.

But what happens to someone with lifelong neurological disorders and mental illness when they outgrow their child star appeal? And have to operate outside their team of people who run them likea presidential candidate to make them look as special as possible? We know what actually happens to discarded child stars and it isn't pretty for the most part.

I'm sure Greta will be offered far more financial opportunities than she ever deserved - opportunities that someone more capable of rational and independent though witha real educaiton and less the neurologically and mentally damaged child of rich celebrities would be better suited to - but how far can she really go on her own? Greta is thoroughly uneducated - and her usefulness is confinded to being a pathetic sockpuppet for people with agendas she isnt even capable of understanding.

Jesus that's a lot of mental ailments. This makes it so if we ever get to Greta's ideal future she'll be the first ones to be shot and buried. In a world without all the comfy social systems (or just pre-plague China) she will need to be forced to eat (vegeteranism ain't gonna work without factory made supplements), won't be able to help out in manual labor, be useless in any intellectual work, totally unable to raise kids and I wouldn't place any bet on squirting out healthy babies.
At least MovieBob can probably do some hard labor if push comes to shove.

 

[AnOminous]

And no, you cannot negotiate moderately or reasonably with persons or industries that are stuck in their ways. That’s why things like civil unrest and revolutions happen.

People who think you can just instantly stop using all fossil fuels are not moderate or reasonable themselves. They are idiots. Lunatics. Simply wrong. Not only calling for doing that but refusing even to contemplate nuclear fission shows a total lack of seriousness and that your issue isn't actually carbon but modernity itself, much like the fanaticism of Islamic terrorists.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Well call me a Sherlock and give me three shits of can-care, ain’t that a cherry pickle!

You deserve all the autistic ratings just for this statement and unironic use of the Nib.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

There's another remedy: planting trees

Cool reception in China for Greta Thunberg’s global warming message

Chinese young people prefer tree planting and other activities to street protests.

www.scmp.com

Cool response in China for Greta Thunberg’s global warming speech at UN’s Climate Action Summit

• Chinese young people prefer tree planting and other activities to street protests

Alice Yan
Published: 3:43pm, 25 Sep, 2019

Climate activist Greta Thunberg’s speech to the UN Climate Action Summit has been praised around the world, but China’s online community is not as impressed. Photo: AFP

China’s online community was largely unmoved by 16-year-old Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg’s emotional message to the UN’s Climate Action Summit in New York this week.
Thunberg, a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, criticised world leaders for failing to take action on climate change. “How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words,” she said at the UN meeting on Monday.
Thunberg on Wednesday won the Right Livelihood Award – sometimes called the alternative Nobel – for “inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts”, according to the Swedish Right Livelihood Foundation.
But while she was lauded by most of the world, Thunberg’s achievements – which included founding the Youth Strike for Climate movement and inspiring millions of people to join last Friday’s global climate strike – did not win majority support in mainland China.

“She is a poor girl kidnapped by the thought of white leftists and she herself doesn’t know that,” wrote one user on Weibo, China’s Twitter-like microblogging platform.


“What this girl is doing is just talking the talk. She started to go on strike at age 14. How much knowledge does she have? Without much knowledge in her mind, how can she propose solutions to deal with environmental problems? I think this little sister’s problem is that she studied too little and thought too much,” another user said.

“If the economy doesn’t grow, what do us people living in developing countries eat?” a third person commented.
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The Weibo topic “16-year-old Swedish girl accusing at UN” had been viewed more than 44 million times, and attracted about 4,000 comments by Wednesday morning, most of them similarly negative.
On WeChat, another popular social media app in China, one person wrote: “She is just a performing artist. I’d like to say to her don’t talk, show some action. In the western part of China, many people have planted trees to save the planet. They are more entitled to receive the Nobel Prize than her.”
Some Chinese internet users did stand by Thunberg. “I’ve watched this girl’s speeches and her words touched millions of people, including me. I admire her for caring about this global issue at such a young age,” one WeChat user wrote.

Zhang Boju, chief secretary of Beijing-based environmental NGO Friends of Nature, said Thunberg expressed the urgency felt by the young generation to protect the Earth and her ideas – that we are borrowing from the next generation by exploiting the planet’s resources – were in line with those of many environmentalists.
“She is expressing a strong message that we are very concerned and anxious. If you don’t take any action now, our generation maybe has no chance to alter the worsening situation,” Zhang said.

While it was common in the West for students to take to the streets – around a million young people responded to Thunberg’s call in March to join the global climate strike for the future – it was not often seen in China, he said.
“Chinese young people express their attitudes through other channels, such as social media, to let the public hear their voices,” Zhang said. “The form – whether going on strike or talking on social media – is not important.”
Young Asia-Pacific climate activists on fighting for change
19 Jul 2019

Xiong Bingqi, deputy director of the 21st Century Education Research Institute in Beijing, said Chinese primary and middle schools also taught “green living and low carbon transportation”, but students took part in public affairs through communication and sending proposals, not through protests.
Public rallies on the Chinese mainland must be approved by the government beforehand. “Greta’s radical ways – like school strikes – are not practicable in China,” Xiong said.
Chen Ting, an environmental campaigner at a Shanghai-based NGO, said her organisation – which she preferred not to name – shared the “same big goal” as Thunberg, although it took different approaches.
“Greta is an extraordinary young person, but I don’t want to comment on her way of doing environmentalism,” she said.

Chen said there was a higher awareness of environmental protection than previously among the current generation of young people in China, and many of them preferred to improve the situation by making small changes in their lives.
Zhang, from Friends of Nature, said climate change was not a mainstream issue in China at the moment and environmental groups should pay more attention to popularise it among the public.
“Greta inspires us that environmental education is not limited to adults educating minors, but that young students who have knowledge on environmental protection can teach their peers,” he said.

But I suppose their words don't mean jack anymore because the Coronavirus outbreak

 

[WonderWino]

So... this happened. Some dumbshit museum in hamburg created a wax greta for display

Greta Thunberg Wax Figure Unveiled At German Museum

The teenage climate activist has been immortalized at the Panoptikum wax museum in Hamburg, Germany.

ca.news.yahoo.com

These people really are stupider than a bag of rocks

 

[#zzz]

I'm sure most of you have seen this. It makes me think she's just another attention seeker thats fully aware of what role she has. "OMG where is Trump... is he here yet? I need to make sure I'm in the same frame as him.... Oh there he is, better put on a scowl for the cameras".

 

[ditto]

The tism is for greta. Brb going to trademark "How dare you?!" and make some tardbux

Next they've have poor Greta floating around on a toilet cake, telling us How Dare we have an unfresh bowl.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

I'm sure most of you have seen this. It makes me think she's just another attention seeker thats fully aware of what role she has. "OMG where is Trump... is he here yet? I need to make sure I'm in the same frame as him.... Oh there he is, better put on a scowl for the cameras".

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"OK, when you see Trump, go stand so the photogs can see you and pull THAT FACE THAT YOU DO THAT MEANS YOU'RE ANGRY and you can be in the papers again tomorrow. Got it?"

She really is a well-trained little monkey. Shame the organ grinders aren't exposed more often.

As for this 'starting a debate' via her dumb militancy, she does nothing of the sort. Nothing of this nature happens in her wake, rather the opposite. Her actual fans are ER who screech in the streets, cause more pollution than ever by congesting cities further as traffic backs up, and stop people getting to work to feed their families by glueing themselves to public transport and are hated by most. They are beyond any rational debate, this is now religion for them. Apocalyptic religion at that. end of the world prophecies that never seem to quite work out, persistant doom mongering, blood and fire rhetoric, A cult. The school strikers are just having a weekday bunk off school (try adking them to give up a Satruday and see how that pans out) and don't give a shit beyond that and certainly are not interested in debate or answering questions about the fine details of the dogma, because they don;t know the answers, a lot like their idol.

Either people are inherently repelled by the grotesque child messiah act and think 'fuck off', or they quickly realise any actual criticism and questioning of the enviro-dogma or exploration of the consequences or realities of her zero-carbon message is met with a brick wall of silence or accusations of heresy (or rather, 'denialism') and nothing gets anywhere. She shuts down true and open debate, that's her purpose. Her purpose is to be some useless moral scold and be so small and speddy and female anyone who says she's talking rubbish gets screamed at for picking on a little girl.

 

[#zzz]

Not to be a sick fuck but I wonder if they force her to not eat meat and tape down her breasts for the little girl look?

To be a bigger sick fuck, I was browsing youtube pageants and spied this kid on the swimwear circuit. It really made me see the difference between nutrition. I was thinking most girls at 17 would've probably looked like Greta in the 15th century. Now we have 12 year olds that look like they could walk into a nightclub without getting carded.

yeah yeah take a seat here, dateline etc etc...

I'm just sayin'

 

[Overly Serious]

To be a bigger sick fuck, I was browsing youtube pageants and spied this kid on the swimwear circuit. It really made me see the difference between nutrition. I was thinking most girls at 17 would've probably looked like Greta in the 15th century. Now we have 12 year olds that look like they could walk into a nightclub without getting carded.

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yeah yeah take a seat here, dateline etc etc...

I'm just sayin'

Please tell me that girl isn't 12. I mean she looks young and it would probably be more obvious if you saw her in person without make-up etc,. but no way would I have thought she was younger than 17. There was a case in Glasgow where a guy picked up a girl in a nightclub and spent the night with her and she turned out to be... 12, I think? They never showed a photo of her for obvious reasons but the jury recommended leniency, the taxi driver testified that he was sure she was an adult, nobody at the club believed she was underage and the female judge basically sided with the guy and said there was no way he could have known and gave him the minimum possible sentence and now prison time. I'm at the age where the women I date are in their thirties so I'm out of the danger zone, but imagine you're 19 you meet a girl and she turns out to be 14 but looks 20. Could wreck your life.

 

[Lopt]

Plus, most persons rely on pharmaceutics to function in today’s environment. Your point?

No bro, I think that's just you.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

There's no cognitive dissonance. You misunderstand the ultra rich.

They want all of us dead. They don't want pesky peasants around. They don't care how many it kills, because they'll always be rich enough to survive. They are so far removed from the mass of the humanity, they no longer understand reality, nor the ramifications of their actions. Or even humanity itself. Nor do their idiot-pawns like AOC or Greta or blue checkmarks on Twitter. They've created a culture lacking empathy and full of pure narcissism. What about the farmers who will lose everything because fertilizers brought life to land? Don't care. What about the people who will starve to death? Don't care. What about driving literally every country into abject poverty for some nebulous fucking goal that mother nature could change in a second? Don't care.

There is no cognitive dissonance. They just don't give a fuck. The reason why the pawns short circuit if you ask them is because they don't have an answer for that. Those behind it would give a tactful answer, but they already know why. Because you are expendable to them.

The ultra rich will always be alright, if anything due to the structures that exist in place for them. In the event of a complete "magical" economic collapse, it is always those who are able to maintain or usurp power who will be in the best positions possible for survival. In a situation of neo-feudalism, it will be those who have lands and the capacity to maintain them, those protected by the government at least.

There is a certain arrogance in the way that these people live, I've had the opportunities to meet a few in my time and the common concern of the average person doesn't even come into their mind, and if anything there is a level of not just elitism there but also contempt especially from white liberals because they usually have low expectations of people of color, but they really do hate white trash/working class types of people. And unfortunately they use the well meaning but woefully ignorant elements of the middle class as a cudgel like they have done in all "social revolutionary movements," from Robespierre to Mao and everything past and in-between.

Of course you can't expect honest answers from useful idiots and mouth pieces, they're just ideologues and easily replaceable in the grand scheme of things.

Add in the fact that before we all sicken and die of malnutrition, actual starvation and lack of basic medicines like insulin (bye bye Type 1 diabetics within a few weeks because no fossil fuels means less to no pharmaceutical manufacturing, no ability transport of existing medicines in good time, after a point no hospitals worth a shit either) the population will slash and burn every single existing tree for fuel for fires to keep warm and to cook our food. The smoke from this will rquickly educe normal air quality to something that's going to kill off your asthmatic children and elders overnight and give the rest of us lung disease common to sub-Saharans who lean over cookfires all day.

And the animals? Anything will be fair game for food, once civilization falls beloved Rover and Tibbles, your kids' pet rabbits and guinea pigs will look good to eat for someone and how will you feed the millions of meat-eating pets anyway? Pet food manufacturing has gone. Transport has gone. Vet medicine also gone. Anything in the countryside gets snared and trapped because big agriculture has also gone along with the tech and distribution transport that make it work. Endangered species? Done, gone, as habitats slashed and burned overnight worldwide for fuel and to try to grow food and no resources to keep any of them safe as humans fight for simple survival. The fact is the poorer a nation is, the less they give a shit about the environment in a larger sense.

Greta's world would be a eco-holocaust. It's terrifying that no media allows anyone on air who can and will point these facts out.

Well it's not in their interests to point out what could potentially go wrong. Even in the cases where there was this sort of amazing overnight shutting down of everything the simple fact is, is that humans cannot exist as a society in a vacuum for long. Either they would survive until Greta's eco-fascist lost common support, we're violent over thrown, or internally purged by more powerful forces inside the party, ala Trotsky.

The food riots alone, would probably be the most shocking aspect, when those who like to think of themselves as the good and tolerant kinds of people, would be murdering people or getting murdered for their tinned food. Mob law, wherever the government wasn't able to cling onto power would become the defacto and where anarchy reigns totalitarianism in some form or another is the eventuality of power vacuums.

I also think the poor countries of the world would fair better in a Gretapocalypse than western nations, because of experiences of relative poverty. A poor dirt farmer isn't going to experience much change in his day to day life, except for maybe the lack of petrol and some other basics. Where as your typical first world person apart from a few examples of relative privation are going to suffer immensely, both in terms of food scarcity, living standards, and psychological impact. City dwelling urban millenials, wouldn't be able to cope. Those that would be able to survive are essentially, preppers, sensible red necks, homesteaders, and only because they'd have their own underground economies, much in the same way they've developed in other countries. (history is resplendent with people leveraging scarcity to enable black market capital to thrive.)

This is also assuming that the masses would remain relatively peaceful, and that wouldn't be a driving factor in eventually usurping the eco-fascist aligned governments.

 

[CWCissey]

There was a case in Glasgow where a guy picked up a girl in a nightclub and spent the night with her and she turned out to be... 12, I think?

Wasn't that Trainspotting?

 

[Comicsgeist]

Well call me a Sherlock and give me three shits of can-care, ain’t that a cherry pickle! The issue was not one of action, but the kind of dialogue one uses to push forth agendas. You cannot advance with platitudes or concessions with businesses or governments that want no change at all. The only remedy against such wanton groups is to have someone whose lunacy is more than a match for their own idiocy. Whether you like it or not, it is the radical bunch that actually get things going anywhere. Greta’s rhetoric forces attention toward a particular issue. If this inspires others to pick up the mantle and demand for change, it is not unlikely that the use of alternate energy en masse will arrive sooner rather than later.

And what is it with that nebulous “modernity” anyway? There’s never two people speaking of the same thing whenever it is mentioned.

Except, 'hey guys! We gotta do SOMETHING!', doesn't approach a solution and everybody knows that the goblin's solutions are utter nonsense.
What's required to address the problem of climate change is not autistic screeching, it's the kind of big brained thinking that said 'We're going to land an man on the moon this decade' and then making it happen.
The solution to climate change is not car sharing, it's generating clean energy that makes the number of cars on the road irrelevant, because they all have zero emissions, end to end.
That means new kinds of technology, cold fusion or something not even dreamt of outside of science fiction in much the same way that Georges Méliès 'A Trip to the Moon' was pure science fiction a mere 65yrs before it became a reality.

Carbon trading for example, is just another commodity market and carbon taxes on everything that pollutes achieve nothing but putting people on low wages to the pin of their collar trying to afford basic necessities.
Imagine if the billions collected in carbon taxes worldwide and the billions in carbon trading wasted in the third world had been directed into scientific research bodies set up like the Bletchley code breakers during WW2 to crack the problem of clean energy sources.
Sure the problem might be fixed by now.

But you keep huffing your own farts out of your reusable coffee cup, shouting meat is murder and demanding progress go backwards instead of forward and see what you achieve.

 

[#zzz]

Please tell me that girl isn't 12.

She was part of a Kids swimwear fashion show. The rest of them look like kids.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Wasn't that Trainspotting?

No, the guy picked up a tranny and gets super pissed.

The ultra rich will always be alright, if anything due to the structures that exist in place for them. In the event of a complete "magical" economic collapse, it is always those who are able to maintain or usurp power who will be in the best positions possible for survival. In a situation of neo-feudalism, it will be those who have lands and the capacity to maintain them, those protected by the government at least.

There is a certain arrogance in the way that these people live, I've had the opportunities to meet a few in my time and the common concern of the average person doesn't even come into their mind, and if anything there is a level of not just elitism there but also contempt especially from white liberals because they usually have low expectations of people of color, but they really do hate white trash/working class types of people. And unfortunately they use the well meaning but woefully ignorant elements of the middle class as a cudgel like they have done in all "social revolutionary movements," from Robespierre to Mao and everything past and in-between.

Of course you can't expect honest answers from useful idiots and mouth pieces, they're just ideologues and easily replaceable in the grand scheme of things.



Well it's not in their interests to point out what could potentially go wrong. Even in the cases where there was this sort of amazing overnight shutting down of everything the simple fact is, is that humans cannot exist as a society in a vacuum for long. Either they would survive until Greta's eco-fascist lost common support, we're violent over thrown, or internally purged by more powerful forces inside the party, ala Trotsky.

The food riots alone, would probably be the most shocking aspect, when those who like to think of themselves as the good and tolerant kinds of people, would be murdering people or getting murdered for their tinned food. Mob law, wherever the government wasn't able to cling onto power would become the defacto and where anarchy reigns totalitarianism in some form or another is the eventuality of power vacuums.

I also think the poor countries of the world would fair better in a Gretapocalypse than western nations, because of experiences of relative poverty. A poor dirt farmer isn't going to experience much change in his day to day life, except for maybe the lack of petrol and some other basics. Where as your typical first world person apart from a few examples of relative privation are going to suffer immensely, both in terms of food scarcity, living standards, and psychological impact. City dwelling urban millenials, wouldn't be able to cope. Those that would be able to survive are essentially, preppers, sensible red necks, homesteaders, and only because they'd have their own underground economies, much in the same way they've developed in other countries. (history is resplendent with people leveraging scarcity to enable black market capital to thrive.)

This is also assuming that the masses would remain relatively peaceful, and that wouldn't be a driving factor in eventually usurping the eco-fascist aligned governments.

The only real way the eco-apocalypse happens is at the end of a barrel of a gun. The people who write Greta's script for her dream of this (I don't believe Greta herself understands the implications of what she is actually saying):

But you are right about the ultra-rich. Identity politics is one way to assure the common folk fight among themselves and never unite against their oppressors, the ultra wealthy. I do think we should dig mass graves and just put them in there. They don't have any understanding of humanity, and can't comprehend how the poor don't spend 10k a month on shopping for bullshit. People always say, "But asshole, you're talking like a socialist pig". Don't care. I'd Khmer Rouge the ultra wealthy. They don't view us as human. Most of their money wasn't even earned, but inherited. Less and less wealth is being created and just passed down, with the ultra wealthy bleeding everyone else dry. Wealth is not infinite. And they drain more and more from the middle-class and lower-classes.

Their biggest fear is that the poors will realize what they're doing and kill them all. There was a documentary about the 2008 crisis that had rich people sweating because they fucking knew if it got bad enough, people would hang them from lamp posts. There was one story about bankers begging to be regulated because of how bad it initially was, but they backed off of that. And I still say the people in charge should be executed for their role in that. Obama was a massive faggot who didn't do shit to them. My family survived only due to the fact we had some money from a family inheritance (not ultra wealthy, well off I'd say) and we drained the entirety of it. When I saw he didn't do shit and occupy wall-street was a bunch of dumb cunts, faggots and progtards not doing shit but beat drums and have the progressive stack, I abandoned my extremely liberal, almost communist ideology. When you see your family devastated by the wealthy and your so-called progressives are whining about the white man and how white people are terrible and not doing shit about it, I left. Its why I hate progressives and I loathe that fake faggot Obama, who didn't do shit to the people in 2008 and focused on healthcare, which is basically going to be totally dismantled at this point. Good fucking job cunt. All of them are fake as fuck and don't care about anything but themselves. In this world, there are only two classes of people: the rich and the poor. Wealth is everything. Nothing else really matters. Not skin color, not gender, not sexual orientation, nothing. Its whether you have money or you don't. Progtards have completely forgotten this. How someone can claim to be socialist or communist and give more of a fuck about the color of your skin rather than the content of your character is beyond the pale.

Greta is going to be tossed aside once she's no longer a child. Like a used rag, just thrown in the trash because another 20-something whining about the environment are a dime a dozen. I do feel bad for her, because these ideas aren't hers. She's being given a script to read and used as a tool by her fucking awful parents and the wealthy. She isn't going to understand when they shift their focus away from her and leave her to the wolves. And then what? She's basically a high-school dropout. I'm sure some fucktarded college will take her anyway though for the prog points, but how in the hell is she going to handle it? I assume they'll just pass her anyway. Still used as a tool. What a sad fucking life. And the only reason they can do it is because she's autistic and doesn't understand the social implications of what is happening to her or how she is being used. Her parents are absolute fucking scum for doing this.

And as far as the eco-apocalypse goes, poor countries will fare well. I think the US would erupt into basically a civil war if this was forced on us. We are so used to comfort, we're not going to give that up for some nebulous goal. Nor do I think corporations would even allow it to happen.

 

[crocodilian]

GRETA THUNBERG NOMINATED FOR 2020 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

Two Swedish MPs have nominated Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg, and the Fridays For Future protest movement she began, for 2020’s Nobel Peace Prize, TT agency reported citing a letter from Swedish parliamentarians.

Young climate activist Greta Thunberg and the global environmental movement Fridays for Future, are nominated for the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize by two Swedish lawmakers, the statement said. According to the publication. two Swedish MPs Jens Holm and Hokan Swanneling came up with this initiative.

According to politicians, the main reason why a girl deserves to receive an award is because “despite her young age, she worked hard to get politicians to pay attention to the climate crisis.”

According to parliamentarians. Climate change is crucial because it can lead to conflict and “create flows of climate refugees” .

Earlier, speaking in Davos at the World Economic Forum , Greta Tunberg made a statement that the environmental situation is only getting worse and therefore urgent action is needed to combat climate change.

She began “School Strike for the Climate” project outside the Swedish parliament in August 2018, and has since inspired and mobilized millions of young people to get involved.

Nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize must be submitted by February 1st to the Norwegian Nobel Committee.

 

[Crystal Golem]

Next they've have poor Greta floating around on a toilet cake, telling us How Dare we have an unfresh bowl.

"Let it mellow, bigot!"