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Honestly, I’d say not only don’t believe the CCP’s official numbers, but don’t believe anything is close to over until you see quarantines being lifted and President Pooh coming out of his bunker.
We need to treat as CCP for what it is, a lolcow (of the horrorcow species). Just as nobody should believe we a lolcow when says "I'm going lose the weight this time", "Trust me, I'm going to make that movie, just keep paying into my patreon" or "I didn't intend for my words to push a man to suicide", nobody should trust the CCP when they say "we're going to be transparent about natural disasters", "we going to stop stealing your IP" or "we didn't intend for our words to push a man to suicide by gunshot to the back of the head".

Words are meaningless, only actions that we can see with our own two eyes.
 
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I don't see what's weird about this.
The "sandwiched in-between" part isn't really important. This tree is just saying that they all have a common ancestor higher up in the tree. Not unusual that it's surrounded by other bat viruses, because this virus likely did come from bats. So the ancestor of this virus in bats also evolved into the other bat viruses shown here. Pretty much what you'd expect, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say.

I'm doing a phylogenetic analysis on the side when I can, trying to look now specifically at haplotype blocks because it looks like there's a good amount of run-of-the-mill tree diagrams already. Wish I could convince my PI to let us take this topic on as a project so the effort wouldn't be wasted, but we mainly do cancer and congenital disease so I'd need a collaborator or something :\

Its Speculation of course but the fact its sitting in the 100 numbers on the tree means its the same virus just humans can catch it in laymans terms, it is rare that that happens usually the genome will modify slightly placing it in a sub category where they are related but not identical when you look at trees like these there is a spectrum of animals on it. It looks to me like a modified SARS virus but then again who knows.

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Give China a break. Their labs are bursting, confirming 1 case every minute, and then most of these then need hospital treatment which takes many staff. In the last day 1500 additional cases needed treatment plus the additional cases suspected and not yet confirmed.

But relax, soon the criticism will be soon enough being leveled against most countries health systems and they struggle under the weight - and then we all sit their and make stupid fucking claims we all have the best health system.

Everyone has the best health system - if you can afford it and if you cant then you don't.

People calling the USA's system the best are fucking idiots. You have it if your a millionaire, if not, wait in line. Its like calling Africans rich for all the diamonds and gold they have. Or calling all Arabs or Russians oil rich because they have tons of fucking oil. Or legal defense were everbody has a lawyer in court. Sound familiar? It's called hype.

The hospitals here don't have thousands of empty beds, and nurses and doctors doing nothing, waiting for you to turn up. Stop believing the horseshit. The USA is not ready for this virus, no country is.

If it takes you 2 hours now to get through the Emergency ward, how long will it take when in a city of 5 million, a mere 500 waiting for additional assistance in liens outside the emergency entrance because they are feeling sick? Your hospitals just like the ones in china will turn into "We're open, if you don't have the virus, you soon will".

The only location the USA has for such numbers are sports arenas and conference centers. Not hospitals.
 
So the talk of the Chinese using HIV antivirals to treat a coronavirus make much more sense if it was bioengineered with bits of the AIDS virus to make it transmissible without showing symptoms. If this is true then the CCP is fucked because no matter how hard they West tries to emulate CCP censorship methods (ie @Glad I couldn't help post re:Twitter) the average person is going to be mad as hell once the bat virus starts having an impact in the US and elsewhere.
 
Why would the CCP activate those contracts? They already have the Party protected. At this point anything they're doing is just to make sure they look like they have things under control. The only issue they're having is that they put those massive quarantine zones up; anyone with a half-functioning brain knows that level of complete shutdown doesn't happen unless shit has hit the fan in a catastrophic way


Make no mistake: all the signs point to this being the CCP's Chernobyl, and all the talk in this thread about the virus being connected to that lab rings close enough to being true that heads have already rolled. There's enough people in the Party to know how the optics on that look (even if it isn't true) for anyone of importance in that lab to have not taken a swim in the local river with lead flippers.

That's what I was getting at. The CCP wouldn't. Any other country probably would.

Yeah, the Chernobyl comparison is a good one. Both very scary.
 
Give China a break. Their labs are bursting, confirming 1 case every minute, and then most of these then need hospital treatment which takes many staff. In the last day 1500 additional cases needed treatment plus the additional cases suspected and not yet confirmed.

But relax, soon the criticism will be soon enough being leveled against most countries health systems and they struggle under the weight - and then we all sit their and make stupid fucking claims we all have the best health system.

Everyone has the best health system - if you can afford it and if you cant then you don't.

People calling the USA's system the best are fucking idiots. You have it if your a millionaire, if not, wait in line. Its like calling Africans rich for all the diamonds and gold they have. Or calling all Arabs or Russians oil rich because they have tons of fucking oil. Or legal defense were everbody has a lawyer in court. Sound familiar? It's called hype.

The hospitals here don't have thousands of empty beds, and nurses and doctors doing nothing, waiting for you to turn up. Stop believing the horseshit. The USA is not ready for this virus, no country is.

If it takes you 2 hours now to get through the Emergency ward, how long will it take when in a city of 5 million, a mere 500 waiting for additional assistance in liens outside the emergency entrance because they are feeling sick? Your hospitals just like the ones in china will turn into "We're open, if you don't have the virus, you soon will".

The only location the USA has for such numbers are sports arenas and conference centers. Not hospitals.
This post is so stupid it deserves a reply:
1. China could have had international support that would have greatly alleviated the stress on their system, but chose to hide everything and fuck everyone over. Not to mention that regardless of the virus origin they are 100% at fault for it.
2. Every country has the private health sector superior to the public one, that's just how it always turns out because the good doctors will want to make more money.
3. If the USA health system would have been as bad as people like you portray it, 50% of the cows on this site would have already died of heart problems.
4. What's the alternative for the shortage of beds in your opinion? Have a massive amount of unused hospitals with staff and equipment for the once in a century case of a massive pandemic?
5. In case of an outbreak in a sane big city you can take control of large buildings (football fields) and arrange tents, quarantine zones and easy sanitation. The fact that China is both completely retarded and incompetent doesn't mean it will also happen in the west.
 
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Speaking of which, the listed mortality rate may be low single digits but the fact that the listed death and recovery rates are neck-and-neck still worries me.
It's pretty alarming, but since they're overwhelmed and are only seeing the direst cases, it's not surprising for the deaths to be that high. We don't know how many people outside the hospital have recovered since, we probably won't have a bigger picture for awhile.

It's frustrating and scary how little information there is at this point, and how much of it we can't really trust anyway since it's the CCP.

This seems pretty serious and I'm surprised I've heard so few friends and acquaintances in the U.S. talking about it. I just remember it seeming like there was way more chatter and concern with H1N1 and SARS and ebola compared to this, it's weird.
 
Its Speculation of course but the fact its sitting in the 100 numbers on the tree means its the same virus just humans can catch it in laymans terms, it is rare that that happens usually the genome will modify slightly placing it in a sub category where they are related but not identical when you look at trees like these there is a spectrum of animals on it. It looks to me like a modified SARS virus but then again who knows.

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The 100 value is normally just a type of confidence value for the structure shown. It has nothing to do with how similar they are (you get that info from the tree structure and the distance of links placed along the horizontal). It just means that the tree they generated at that point in the figure is reliable & not explained away by chance.

They aren't the same virus & according to this tree structure they may not actually even be from the same direct ancestor. Bats are genetically similar to primates, so it's not abnormal for viruses in bats to be transmissible to humans. Also keep in mind that genetic recombination happens naturally in viruses. Intense phylogenetic analysis would be needed to prove anything.
 
Is this author fucking kidding me? Yes, goy, keep your borders open and admit all diseased Chinamen. It is totally normal to have Biblical-level plagues ravage your nation.

The author needs to be nailed to a fucking cross.
Airdrop him into Wuhan naked with "ME LOVE CHINAMAN COCK IN BUTT" tattooed in his back.
 
BuzzFeedNews article on zerohedge

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A Pro-Trump Blog Doxed A Chinese Scientist It Falsely Accused Of Creating The Coronavirus As A Bioweapon
The scientist's name, photo, email, and a telephone number are being spread across American social media.
Picture of Ryan Broderick Ryan Broderick BuzzFeed News Reporter
Posted on January 31, 2020, at 4:03 p.m. ET

A popular pro-Trump website has released the personal information of a scientist from Wuhan, China, falsely accusing them of creating the coronavirus as a bioweapon, in a plot it said is the real-life version of the video game Resident Evil.
On Wednesday, far-right news site Zero Hedge claimed without evidence that a scientist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology created the strain of the virus that has led the World Health Organization to declare a global health emergency. The outbreak has grown to more than 9,776 cases, with 118 outside of China. The coronavirus has killed 213 people, all in China.
It concludes, “if anyone wants to find out what really caused the coronavirus pandemic that has infected thousands of people in China and around the globe, they should probably pay [the Chinese scientist] a visit.” It also lists their email address and a phone number.
BuzzFeed News has reached out to the scientist, whom it is declining to name.
The rumors and lies about the Wuhan Institute of Virology dovetail with a popular meme about how the institute’s logo is similar to that of the Umbrella Corporation, the shady agency responsible for making the virus that starts the zombie apocalypse in the Resident Evil video game franchise. The logo that inspired the meme isn’t actually from Wuhan Institute of Virology, but actually belongs to Shanghai Ruilan Bao Hu San Biotech Limited, located in Shanghai, 500 miles away.
Zero Hedge, which describes itself as a financial blog, has more than 50,000 followers on Facebook and more than 670,000 followers on Twitter and is run by Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born, US-based, former investment banker, who writes the majority of the posts published by the pseudonym Tyler Durden. The site regularly amplifies conspiracy theories from anonymous message board 4chan and writes frequently about the deep state, doomsday prep, bitcoin speculation, and New Age pseudoscience.
Zero Hedge’s Wednesday coronavirus story — “Is This the Man Behind the Global Coronavirus Pandemic?” — focused on the Chinese scientist who researches the coronavirus.
Zero Hedge linked to a Wuhan Institute of Virology press release from January 2019 that says the scientist was studying why bats who carry the coronavirus don’t get sick from it. What the Zero Hedge article does not state is that studying a form of a virus strain found in animals is a standard way to make vaccines, whether for the flu or polio.

Brandon J. Brown, an associate professor at the University of California, Riverside, and a member of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the International Society of Vaccines, and the Global Health Council, told BuzzFeed News it makes sense that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was researching the coronavirus in bats.
“One reason why this institute would be doing immune research would be to prevent what we are seeing right now with the novel coronavirus outbreak,” Brown said. “They have studied other coronaviruses at that site including SARS, where they discovered that it originated in bats.”
Brown also said that the entire idea of the coronavirus working as a bioweapon is pretty silly. “The fatality rate [of the coronavirus] is 200/10,000, which is currently lower compared to many other viruses including SARS, so if it was meant as a bioweapon, it is not a good one,” Brown said. “So let's debunk the bioweapon idea that we are seeing in the news.”
As the virus has spread, so too has misinformation about it. The new focus on the scientist is the culmination of several conspiracy theories that have gained traction since the beginning of the outbreak early in January. One version of the hoax began in Facebook Groups run by supporters of the pro-Trump QAnon movement and the anti-vax community, where users claimed the outbreak was a population control plot by former Microsoft CEO Bill Gates.
Another version claimed that the virus was smuggled out of Canada to the Wuhan Institute of Virology by two Chinese spies posing as scientists. This narrative is muddled, but it seems to be based on a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation story from July about a possible "policy breach" at the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg that resulted in Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, a researcher who regularly collaborates with Chinese scientific institutes, her husband, Keding Cheng, and an unknown number of her students from China being removed from Canada's only lab that is a biosafety level 4, the maximum containment level for dangerous pathogens.
On Jan. 25, hedge fund manager Kyle Bass tweeted this version of the hoax. His tweet was retweeted over 12,000 times and has gone viral as a screenshot on Facebook. Factcheck.org, one of the platform’s official independent fact-checking organizations, debunked it, and on Facebook, screenshots of Bass’s tweet now appear with a “false information" disclaimer. Eric Morrissette, a spokesperson for the Public Health Agency of Canada, told Factcheck.org, “this is misinformation and there is no factual basis for claims being made on social media.”
The theory about Chinese spies smuggling the coronavirus out of Canada is also being promoted by what appears to be inauthentic behavior on Twitter.

Zero Hedge has been aggressive in its promotion of misinformation about the coronavirus. Earlier this week, it published a massive article in collaboration with the Indian conspiracy theory site Great Game India titled, “Did China Steal Coronavirus From Canada and Weaponize It?
Dr. Erica Bickerton, who studies avian pathology for the Pirbright Institute, which was falsely implicated in the Bill Gates coronavirus conspiracy theory, told BuzzFeed News last week that the coronavirus is a whole family of viruses. “Each of these viruses has their own characteristics,” she said.


The Zero Hedge article has been posted on Twitter over 10,000 times and shared close 2,000 times on Facebook in the last 24 hours. Bass also tweeted the story out to his 120,000 followers, using the hashtag #biowarfare.
“As we are now right before the dawn of the new Golden Age, a strong purification must occur before we as a planet can enter the Light,” wrote one user, sharing the article to a Facebook Group with 13,000 members called Arcturian/Pleiadian Starseed Community. “This purification is called the end time madness.”
The rumors and lies are also being spread across 4chan. A user linked to the Zero Hedge article in a 4chan thread titled, “All hail [the scientist], creator of Corona-Chan.” In another 4chan thread, users claimed the scientist had created a mutant superbug.
The hoaxes surrounding the coronavirus have become so prevalent that “uncensored" subreddits about the outbreak are being created for users on Reddit who want to share the theories. The Zero Hedge article was shared to one subreddit called r/Wuhan_Flu.
“If true it explains why our ‘authorities’ are doing sweet fuckall almost to the point of facilitating the spread,” the top comment reads. “The kind of deep nefarious [New World Order] shit that'd melt the tinfoil hat right on our heads.”
 
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Honestly, I’d say not only don’t believe the CCP’s official numbers, but don’t believe anything is close to over until you see quarantines being lifted and President Pooh coming out of his bunker.

Seriously. It’s been confirmed multiple times that not only are the stats downplayed, they are no longer able to keep up with the diagnoses or have the ability to treat these people. I have to LOL at people who think massaged stats saying the growth rate changing from 50% to 49.9% means anything.

Every page or two, there’s always someone who says “We turned a corner on coronavirus, everything is going to be OK! :biggrin: “ Then a few posts down you see it hit a new country or multiply in a country that supposedly had it contained or an admission you can be asymptomatic when spreading it.

I’m not a doomer but honestly we know very little about the virus. This is going to be a marathon, not a sprint.
 
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