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'Hey pretty ladies, put on your masks!' China’s drone army tackles coronavirus by ordering people to wear protection or return home and spraying disinfectant over villages and cities

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We may be better off adjusting to a new normal of periodic outbreaks.

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As sociologists, we can help to understand this. As Strong pointed out, new infectious diseases disrupt our sense of order, trust, and stability. In fact, of course, they are out there all the time. Viruses do not distinguish between animals and humans.

"Alright, prole, listen. Terrorism, lack of free speech, no right to self defense, and global pandemics are just part and parcel of living in the Neoliberal Global Favela of Love And Tolerance. If you don't like it, I'm going to call you a fucking racist and if you keep it up I'm reporting you to Daddy Jack and Daddy Zuck. I'm a sociologist, and I know better than you, because my title is "Sociologist." Got it, filthy prole? Now say "thank you" politely to me and nobody gets tattled on."
 

'Hey pretty ladies, put on your masks!' China’s drone army tackles coronavirus by ordering people to wear protection or return home and spraying disinfectant over villages and cities

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This is a serious thread and a serious topic but honestly the possibilities of trolling potential by having drones that you can speak through or send audio messages via is frankly hilarious. Always hovering just out of reach.
 
I can't wait for the day I have a personal drone to insult people for me, doing it in person is so prole.

"Ma'am! If my child was that fat, I wouldn't dress him in such bright clothing...."

And whoosh, away to spread more hate, leaving a wake of hurt feelings behind me.
 
So is it happening time or not? I lost interest after the first 100 pages.

Also let me get this straight. China mihht have stole some canadian virus and infused it with HIV?
It's more likely the Brits isolated the corona-virus sold it to the French who mixed it with HIV then sold it to Canada who had it stolen from them by the Chinese who tested it on bats that a janitor took home and ate with his friends and family to show how rich and connected he was.
 
This post is so stupid it deserves a reply:
1. China could have had international support that would have greatly alleviated the stress on their system, but chose to hide everything and fuck everyone over. Not to mention that regardless of the virus origin they are 100% at fault for it.
2. Every country has the private health sector superior to the public one, that's just how it always turns out because the good doctors will want to make more money.
3. If the USA health system would have been as bad as people like you portray it, 50% of the cows on this site would have already died of heart problems.
4. What's the alternative for the shortage of beds in your opinion? Have a massive amount of unused hospitals with staff and equipment for the once in a century case of a massive pandemic?
5. In case of an outbreak in a sane big city you can take control of large buildings (football fields) and arrange tents, quarantine zones and easy sanitation. The fact that China is both completely exceptional and incompetent doesn't mean it will also happen in the west.
My post may be stupid - eye of the beholder and all...
But, to your valid points:
1. They are not at fault for the origin of the virus. You could make this argument through all recorded history unless you opt to destroy every pig, cow, bird and bat on Earth. Viruses are going to mutate, and they are going to spread regardless unless you exterminate their origins. It could have been a bat that did a shit on a car door. Tomorrow it could be a bird that shits on your kids soccer field and they roll the ball through it. Tomorrow it could be a mutated virus that turns Mad Cow Disease into a global spreader.
The international aid that could have been offered to China a month ago would have been...what? Help with 30 people? Some good doctors that would have done what? The same bloody thing. The only thing that you could have done in this situation was quarantine earlier, and how do you justify that with a handful of cases? China going to the WHO a month ago would have gotten the response it got just a week ago - not a global emergency and thats when we had thousands of cases, but you think when they had just a handful they would have gotten anything other than "knock of the big scare".
If we actually expect China to have implemented draconian quarantine a month ago, then by all rights every other country now with a few cases must also do the same thing. But they aren't. And they won't. Even though a global emergency has been declared. What the USA and a few other countries have done won't stop the virus, it will just buy a little more time. They could have done far more.
2. True. But the vast majority of hospitals in the USA are private, you don't really have a public health system.
3. The health of the average american is below that of other advanced countries. Your health system here is not as grand as you think it is. Your life expectancy is lower.
4. If this country can fucking afford 11 aircraft carriers and a trillion a year in military, then yeah, it can fucking afford a warehouse with a standby operation for the inevitable arrival of a virus like this. What that would cost for a year would be less than the Military uses in a day. So no excuses on this.
5. You can do this, I don't really see your point, china will do it if it has to, but in all probability, social distancing by having people stay home is much more effective.
 

No country poses a greater, more severe, and long-term threat to our national security and economic prosperity than China.

China’s goal, simply put, is to replace the United States as the world’s leading superpower, and they’re breaking the law to get there.

Massachusetts is a target-rich environment with world-class academic institutions, research facilities, hospitals, cleared defense contractors, and start-ups. And each and every one of them are in danger of having their research, development, and investments stolen right out from under them.

The ruling Communist Party of the PRC wants what we have so they can get the upper hand on us.

And while we are still confronted with traditional spies seeking our state secrets, often working under diplomatic cover, or posing as everyday citizens, I can tell you China is also using what we call “non-traditional collectors” such as professors, researchers, hackers and front companies.

All three individuals charged today are manifestations of the China threat.

Let’s start with the case of Harvard University Professor Dr. Charles Lieber.

Earlier this morning, FBI special agents arrested Dr. Lieber at his office at Harvard University. Shortly after he was taken into custody, we initiated the execution of two search warrants: one at his home in Lexington, Massachusetts, and the other at his office at Harvard.

As alleged, Lieber repeatedly lied—not only to federal agents but to Harvard University, and the National Institutes of Health—about his participation in China’s Thousand Talents Plan and his affiliation with Wuhan University of Technology. Lieber also failed to disclose that he has received millions of dollars from the Chinese Communist government for foreign research.

Back in 2011, Lieber was recruited and employed by the Chinese to conduct scientific research, publish articles in the name of Wuhan University, and recruit top international scientists to work for them as visiting scholars, all the while he was still working at Harvard and receiving millions of dollars in taxpayer funded grants for his research.

Lieber even went as far as signing a five-year agreement to set up a joint nanoscience research lab between Wuhan University and Harvard—without Harvard’s knowledge or consent. And when Harvard finally confronted him about it— he allegedly lied to them.

Now some of that grant money could be in jeopardy, along with the fruits of his research that we’re at risk of losing to China.

It’s a clear-cut case of a conflict of interest, and unfortunately, it’s not an isolated incident.

Just across the Charles River, at Boston University, we found Yanqing Ye acting as an agent for the Chinese government without registering as a foreign power as required by law.

Ye is a lieutenant in the People’s Liberation Army—also known as the PLA which is the military arm of the Chinese Communist government.

She lied about her military service in order to enter our country, and she manipulated Boston University to allow her to conduct research there, despite that fact that she was coming from a school that was on the Department of Commerce’s denied entity list.

That school where she studied just so happens to be a top military academy in China that is responsible for modernizing China’s armed forces and designing advanced weapons systems.

While working at BU, we allege Yeh was conspiring with senior PLA officers who tasked her to conduct research on various professors, our military, and assorted Department of Defense grants, while also collaborating with them on research projects that had potential military applications.

Time after time, she was collecting information for China—and even when we caught her red handed on her way out of the country—she continued to lie about it.

Just like Zheng Zaosong, another Chinese national here on a visa sponsored by Harvard University.

Zheng was being paid a stipend by the Chinese Scholarship Council while also working at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center conducting cancer research until we arrested him last month. He’s now charged with trying to smuggle 21 vials of biological material and research back to Beijing and lying to us about it.

When the FBI arrested him last month, Zheng eventually admitted that he stole the vials so he could take them back to China conduct further research and publish the results of that research under his own name.

All of the individuals charged today were either directly or indirectly working for the Chinese government, at our country’s expense.

Make no mistake, the ruling Communist Party of the People’s Republic of China is highly strategic in their approach, and we are deeply concerned about American innovation, research, and cutting-edge technologies ending up in the wrong hands.

The FBI is now investigating China-related cases in all 50 states, including right here in the Boston Division.

But let me be crystal clear: we are not suggesting that all, or even most, Chinese students and visitors are somehow up to no good.

There’s no question that we benefit greatly from foreign researchers in our academic institutions. However, some visitors are exploiting this collaborative environment, and it needs to stop.

Economic espionage and the theft of trade secrets significantly hurts our academic institutions, businesses, jobs, and consumers, resulting in hundreds of billions of dollars in losses every year.

So how do we combat this threat?

It starts with vigilance, and all of us working together. The FBI is devoting a significant number of agents and analysts to counterintelligence investigations, and we’re also partnering more closely with academia and the private sector.

We’re bringing all of our investigative resources to bear to fight the threats we face from China and to protect the security and stability of our nation, our economy, and our way of life for generations to come.

In closing, I’d like to extend my sincere appreciation for the tremendous work done by all the agencies standing before you today. We’re not just standing here side-by-side for this press conference, we’re standing side-by-side every day, both in terms of how we see this threat, and how we coordinate operations between our agencies.

Thank you.
 
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4. If this country can fucking afford 11 aircraft carriers and a trillion a year in military, then yeah, it can fucking afford a warehouse with a standby operation for the inevitable arrival of a virus like this. What that would cost for a year would be less than the Military uses in a day. So no excuses on this.
Hi, I'd like to introduce you to Fort Meade, Maryland as well as many other US military NBC Warfare units and facilities, including protocol for working with FEMA and the CDC for mass outbreaks, including extensive drills and exercises in everything from doing house to house sweep and clear looking for dead, infected, or survivors, creating blockades and maintaining them while getting shipping through, and many many other interesting activities.

Sure, its budget was slashed heavily under Clinton and then Obama, but it's still there, the protocol still exists, the units still undergo training, and the equipment is all sitting there.

The LEAST of which is positive pressure system tents and negative pressure isolation units.
 
Rule of thumb: if it’s Buzzfeed, it’s bullshit
Oh, I couldn't agree more. Buzzfeed? Garbage. Snopes? Dishonest.

But there are morons in this thread posting the dumb meme that the Wuhan Institute of Virology has a logo similar to that of the 'Umbrella Corporation'. This is so stupid that even Snopes has easily debunked it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/resident-evil-umbrella-coronavirus/

The actual logo is below.
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So, what does that say about the speculation in this thread?


No country poses a greater, more severe, and long-term threat to our national security and economic prosperity than China.

China’s goal, simply put, is to replace the United States as the world’s leading superpower, and they’re breaking the law to get there.

Massachusetts is a target-rich environment with world-class academic institutions, research facilities, hospitals, cleared defense contractors, and start-ups. And each and every one of them are in danger of having their research, development, and investments stolen right out from under them.

The ruling Communist Party of the PRC wants what we have so they can get the upper hand on us.

And while we are still confronted with traditional spies seeking our state secrets, often working under diplomatic cover, or posing as everyday citizens, I can tell you China is also using what we call “non-traditional collectors” such as professors, researchers, hackers and front companies.

All three individuals charged today are manifestations of the China threat.

Let’s start with the case of Harvard University Professor Dr. Charles Lieber.

Earlier this morning, FBI special agents arrested Dr. Lieber at his office at Harvard University. Shortly after he was taken into custody, we initiated the execution of two search warrants: one at his home in Lexington, Massachusetts, and the other at his office at Harvard.

As alleged, Lieber repeatedly lied—not only to federal agents but to Harvard University, and the National Institutes of Health—about his participation in China’s Thousand Talents Plan and his affiliation with Wuhan University of Technology. Lieber also failed to disclose that he has received millions of dollars from the Chinese Communist government for foreign research.

Back in 2011, Lieber was recruited and employed by the Chinese to conduct scientific research, publish articles in the name of Wuhan University, and recruit top international scientists to work for them as visiting scholars, all the while he was still working at Harvard and receiving millions of dollars in taxpayer funded grants for his research.

Lieber even went as far as signing a five-year agreement to set up a joint nanoscience research lab between Wuhan University and Harvard—without Harvard’s knowledge or consent. And when Harvard finally confronted him about it— he allegedly lied to them.

Now some of that grant money could be in jeopardy, along with the fruits of his research that we’re at risk of losing to China.

It’s a clear-cut case of a conflict of interest, and unfortunately, it’s not an isolated incident.

Just across the Charles River, at Boston University, we found Yanqing Ye acting as an agent for the Chinese government without registering as a foreign power as required by law.

Ye is a lieutenant in the People’s Liberation Army—also known as the PLA which is the military arm of the Chinese Communist government.

She lied about her military service in order to enter our country, and she manipulated Boston University to allow her to conduct research there, despite that fact that she was coming from a school that was on the Department of Commerce’s denied entity list.

That school where she studied just so happens to be a top military academy in China that is responsible for modernizing China’s armed forces and designing advanced weapons systems.

While working at BU, we allege Yeh was conspiring with senior PLA officers who tasked her to conduct research on various professors, our military, and assorted Department of Defense grants, while also collaborating with them on research projects that had potential military applications.

Time after time, she was collecting information for China—and even when we caught her red handed on her way out of the country—she continued to lie about it.

Just like Zheng Zaosong, another Chinese national here on a visa sponsored by Harvard University.

Zheng was being paid a stipend by the Chinese Scholarship Council while also working at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center conducting cancer research until we arrested him last month. He’s now charged with trying to smuggle 21 vials of biological material and research back to Beijing and lying to us about it.

When the FBI arrested him last month, Zheng eventually admitted that he stole the vials so he could take them back to China conduct further research and publish the results of that research under his own name.

All of the individuals charged today were either directly or indirectly working for the Chinese government, at our country’s expense.

Make no mistake, the ruling Communist Party of the People’s Republic of China is highly strategic in their approach, and we are deeply concerned about American innovation, research, and cutting-edge technologies ending up in the wrong hands.

The FBI is now investigating China-related cases in all 50 states, including right here in the Boston Division.

But let me be crystal clear: we are not suggesting that all, or even most, Chinese students and visitors are somehow up to no good.

There’s no question that we benefit greatly from foreign researchers in our academic institutions. However, some visitors are exploiting this collaborative environment, and it needs to stop.

Economic espionage and the theft of trade secrets significantly hurts our academic institutions, businesses, jobs, and consumers, resulting in hundreds of billions of dollars in losses every year.

So how do we combat this threat?

It starts with vigilance, and all of us working together. The FBI is devoting a significant number of agents and analysts to counterintelligence investigations, and we’re also partnering more closely with academia and the private sector.

We’re bringing all of our investigative resources to bear to fight the threats we face from China and to protect the security and stability of our nation, our economy, and our way of life for generations to come.

In closing, I’d like to extend my sincere appreciation for the tremendous work done by all the agencies standing before you today. We’re not just standing here side-by-side for this press conference, we’re standing side-by-side every day, both in terms of how we see this threat, and how we coordinate operations between our agencies.

Thank you.
A strikingly sound set of observations. Of course, you can't trust anyone ethnically Chinese not to be working for the Chinese government. Just a simple fact. Why not just say it.
 
So is it happening time or not? I lost interest after the first 100 pages.

Also let me get this straight. China mihht have stole some canadian virus and infused it with HIV?

(Fact) The lore is world nations didn't really trust the Chinese to do level 4 biolab safety shit so they were only trusted after years of training in french labs to even be given a test run with level 3 pathogens things along the lines of SARS virus to anthrax type things.

(Fact) Canada and the US caught them doing shady shit in their labs. The people trying to steal the data and lab samples are highly accredited individuals one for example who was part of coming up with an effective treatment of ebola. So shit got complicated.

(Fact) Months later the WHO do a "mock" corona virus scenario that essentially mimics the current situation same virus everything except in the mock presentation it is pigs and the epicenter is South America.

(Fact) At the very end of December China declares a patient zero hence why it is called nCoV-2019 and its silent for 20 days. Within those 20 days china was accused of arresting doctors and people in the know about a potential outbreak of a new SARS like disease under the pretense of misinformation.

(Fact) Now from that point forward both china and governments have been downplaying things by a day or two but the information from days ago they wind up being officially confirmed.
 
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Hi, I'd like to introduce you to Fort Meade, Maryland as well as many other US military NBC Warfare units and facilities, including protocol for working with FEMA and the CDC for mass outbreaks, including extensive drills and exercises in everything from doing house to house sweep and clear looking for dead, infected, or survivors, creating blockades and maintaining them while getting shipping through, and many many other interesting activities.

Sure, its budget was slashed heavily under Clinton and then Obama, but it's still there, the protocol still exists, the units still undergo training, and the equipment is all sitting there.

The LEAST of which is positive pressure system tents and negative pressure isolation units.
There are facilities which the public doesn't know about. For good reason.
Oh, I couldn't agree more. Buzzfeed? Garbage. Snopes? Dishonest.

But there are morons in this thread posting the dumb meme that the Wuhan Institute of Virology has a logo similar to that of the 'Umbrella Corporation'. This is so stupid that even Snopes has easily debunked it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/resident-evil-umbrella-coronavirus/

The actual logo is below.
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So, what does that say about the speculation in this thread?


A strikingly sound set of observations. Of course, you can't trust anyone ethnically Chinese not to be working for the Chinese government. Just a simple fact. Why not just say it.

Communist Chinese aren't our friends and I'm surprised they're allowed into the country to work at all, especially in research and only God knows where else. All this talk about Hunter Biden probably pales in comparison to the bribes/kickbacks/hush money thrown around DC by the Communist Chinese so they look the other way while they steal our scientific and other classified information..
 
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