Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

Its becoming very clear that jeanette is the one pushing this gender stuff. She was dragging jazz to drs when she was just a toddler. She has raised jazz to be totally dependent on her for everything to the point that jazz cant even do intimate personal care things ( such as dilating) without jeanette interfering and pushing jazz.

She absolutely does not want to let jazz be independent. She is obsessed with vicariously living thru jazz and controlling everything. She will never relinquish that control willingly. She will guilt and hound jazz till jeanettes dying day ,and even then will leave enough residual emotion trauma to continue the job until jazz finally dies.

Yeah, not to be a total downer but I accidentally clicked on the first page of the thread earlier and saw that pic of Jazz as a really little kid, wearing the rainbow colored little bathing suit meant for girls. He’s just SO little. His mom is extremely controlling and has been doing this to him for his entire life. To be clear, “little boy in a rainbow bathing suit” obviously isn’t offensive in itself, imo. But the photo, and his very young age, really drove home how long Jeanette has had control over the most intimate and personal aspects of his identity, expression, and body.
 
Its becoming very clear that jeanette is the one pushing this gender stuff. She was dragging jazz to drs when she was just a toddler. She has raised jazz to be totally dependent on her for everything to the point that jazz cant even do intimate personal care things ( such as dilating) without jeanette interfering and pushing jazz.

She absolutely does not want to let jazz be independent. She is obsessed with vicariously living thru jazz and controlling everything. She will never relinquish that control willingly. She will guilt and hound jazz till jeanettes dying day ,and even then will leave enough residual emotion trauma to continue the job until jazz finally dies.
The dilating thing is creepy but I also (about 50%) wouldn't be surprised if constantly shoving that thing in an open wound (that's also constantly being fucked with by butchers) hurts to the point Jazz can't get the will to do it.
 
From what I've read on reddit, dilating sucks (for adults who really did want it) and takes up hours and hours for a long time. I doubt an immature 19 year old could actually follow through with it without Mom's help.

Also, "stink ditch" seems to be a bit of an assumption... We don't know that the surgery went *that* wrong...
 
Also, "stink ditch" seems to be a bit of an assumption... We don't know that the surgery went *that* wrong...
If Jazz had to go back for 3 additional surgeries on top of the initial one, I'd say something went pretty fucking wrong.

Plus, if I recall, Jazz's "vagina" is made from stomach lining and such procedures have been known to produce a terrible odor.
 
Yeah, not to be a total downer but I accidentally clicked on the first page of the thread earlier and saw that pic of Jazz as a really little kid, wearing the rainbow colored little bathing suit meant for girls. He’s just SO little. His mom is extremely controlling and has been doing this to him for his entire life. To be clear, “little boy in a rainbow bathing suit” obviously isn’t offensive in itself, imo. But the photo, and his very young age, really drove home how long Jeanette has had control over the most intimate and personal aspects of his identity, expression, and body.
I have a picture of my son at that same age, wearing a pink ruffled one-piece swim suit. *

I have another picture of him wearing a cheetah printed pajama with ruffles on it. +

He was unaware at the time, that he was dressed in girls clothing. All he knew, was that he was going to the pool that day. In fact NOBODY gave a rats ass about any of it. This is why I call bullshit on the idea of Jazz, at 3, being "transgender."

My point in sharing such a dumb and banal story, is to demonstrate its insignificance in the larger scheme of things. I basically have identical pictures of my son dressed similarly, at that exact phase. AND IT MEANS NOTHING unless we use it as a launching pad, for indoctrinating him into the world of queer. ☆

*We were flat broke, this was the last swim suit at the outlet in his size, it cost $5 and we wanted him to spend the day at the pool, and not drive around LA county looking for the perfect "boy" swimsuit, at the same price.

*I was far along in pregnancy with my second, and exhausted. Again we REALLY just wanted to get him to the indoor pool that evening. The weather was cold, and that outfit was in a bag of hand-me-downs from my niece.

☆ and that my friends, is sick.
 
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I have a picture of my son at that same age, wearing a pink ruffled one-piece swim suit. *

I have another picture of him wearing a cheetah printed pajama with ruffles on it. +

He was unaware at the time, that he was dressed in girls clothing. All he knew, was that he was going to the pool that day. In fact NOBODY gave a rats ass about any of it. This is why I call bullshit on the idea of Jazz, at 3, being "transgender."

*We were flat broke, this was the last swim suit at the outlet in his size, it cost $5 and we wanted him to spend the day at the pool, and not drive around LA county looking for the perfect "boy" swimsuit, at the same price.

*I was far along in pregnancy with my second, and exhausted. Again we REALLY just wanted to get him to the indoor pool that evening. The weather was cold, and that outfit was in a bag of hand-me-downs from my niece.

You don't need to explain yourself about this because it's perfectly normal for young children to wear clothes or want toys of the opposite sex. Their curiosity about it is normal and expected as they want to try everything.

The reason we parents tell them "no" has nothing to do with being a bigot who hate trans, but with how confusing this could be for a young child identity. Clothes or toys that fit your sex are supposed to help you understand who you are and make you realise what "boy" and "girl" actually mean. 99.99% of kids will be ok with this, and I'm sure Jazz could have been one of those 99.99% if his mother had let him alone.
 
I have a picture of my son at that same age, wearing a pink ruffled one-piece swim suit. *

I have another picture of him wearing a cheetah printed pajama with ruffles on it. +

He was unaware at the time, that he was dressed in girls clothing. All he knew, was that he was going to the pool that day. In fact NOBODY gave a rats ass about any of it. This is why I call bullshit on the idea of Jazz, at 3, being "transgender."

My point in sharing such a dumb and banal story, is to demonstrate its insignificance in the larger scheme of things. I basically have identical pictures of my son dressed similarly, at that exact phase. AND IT MEANS NOTHING unless we use it as a launching pad, for indoctrinating him into the world of queer. ☆

*We were flat broke, this was the last swim suit at the outlet in his size, it cost $5 and we wanted him to spend the day at the pool, and not drive around LA county looking for the perfect "boy" swimsuit, at the same price.

*I was far along in pregnancy with my second, and exhausted. Again we REALLY just wanted to get him to the indoor pool that evening. The weather was cold, and that outfit was in a bag of hand-me-downs from my niece.

☆ and that my friends, is sick.

Exactly! It’s fine that Jazz was goofing around in a rainbow bathing suit. I’m sure that he- like your son- had no real idea what it was supposed to mean. But what’s so sad about the picture is that unlike with your son, I’m sure his mom bought it specifically for him because she’d already decided his fate. 💔
 
My point was, that at 3, my son had no idea that he was wearing "girl clothes" in the first place. And the types of conversations that go on in the background do a lot to shape a child's understanding of the meaning of things. Or, how about "no conversation."

This was the extent of the conversation:

"Child x, help Mommy put this on so that you can get in the water."
"Child x, it is cold outside. Help mommy put this on."

The rest is literally background noise.

Also at the age of 3, savvy kids can pick up on something called the "Clever Hans effect." My son was clueless, of course. But some kids can take cues from their parent's facial expression, if praise and approval is forthcoming. So if Jazz puts on a too-too, and mom's face lights up, Jazz can play ballerina and expect encouraging words. If he picks up a fire truck and sees mom frown, he will put it down, and pick up the magic princess wand, to get the approval. Chances are, mom is also not consciously discouraging Jazz from playing with trucks. It is more like "he is supposed to want to be a girl" and her face doesn't beam affirmation.

Kids aren't consciously manipulating their parents. Typically developing children have this in-built drive to please adults, because for millennia, their very survival depended on it.

Ok here is another example: have you ever met a 9 year old boy who could discuss the "infrastructure of emerging suburbs in developing countries" with relative ease ... Or the "ethics of end of life issues ..." And it turns out, that dad is a professor of Urban Planning. Or mom is a professor in the School of Public Health .... same thing. Kid might have had a lot of worldly exposure and he might be bright. But he has been trained to respond like that, taking his parents cues.

The real test: ask him about infrastructure issues, in Los Angeles. Ask him about the ethics of palliative care for non -terminal patients. Give him a pure poker face, and look down at the table intermittently. He will look at you for cues. And his limits will be apparent. Because he is imitating his parents, and usually gets positive feedback, that is generally below the parent's conscious awareness.

Therefore, I am very, very, very cynical about Jazz's story as being a positive example for alleged trans-kids. I am cynical that trans-kids even exist. [We] know way too much about psychology, and ignoring this knowledge, is a profound breach of ethics.
 
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Dilation must be hell for Jazz. His multilated crotch is full of scar tissue. If he is numb then he is lucky.
Here kids ... enjoy!

 
Tl, DR at the bottom since Kiwi Farms has made me autistic ;)

Random theory: is it possible Jazz didn't go to Harvard because he can't physically sit in a lecture hall for two hours yet without obvious accomodations for down-there pain?

I mean, it's all a happy blur now, but I do remember that for my first few weeks post-baby I couldn't comfortably just sit down, it required a bit of thinking through first; I had a pretty routine natural birth and no complications, but still, I did have to figure out a way to sit post-birth that didn't involve direct girl-part to seat contact, because for the first few weeks... mother-is-never-fucking-again ouch!

I suck at describing visuals, so bear with me: picture a normal person sitting on a chair/sofa, with knees bent and feet on the floor. Now keep one leg exactly where it is but take the other, bend it all the way at the knee and tuck it under itself, and sit so the corresponding ass-cheek is essentially resting on your heel; you have now magically created a little pocket of space that prevents your girl-parts from even touching anything (again, besides your clothing), let alone having any weight on them. I can sit in this position all day, easy, and unlike other 'workarounds' to keep your privates from touching something, I actually take up less space this way (no 'spreading' required, e.g. 'criss-cross applesauce,' or what everyone besides Americans calls 'legs crossed')... only you can't sit like this in 99% of public places, because it only works with bare feet/socks. It would be both uncomfortable and really crass + possibly very dirty to sit on your foot like that if you had shoes on... like, say, if you were wearing winter boots to get across campus in Boston and then tried to sit on your heel on a crowded wooden lecture theatre pew.

Anyway, I bring it up because I taught this amazing innovation (where is my Nobel Prize?) to a friend's husband after he had surgery for testicular cancer and was going quite mad because a week later, long out of the hospital, he just couldn't find any comfortable way to sit... I guess with a man's larger foot + thicker calves, my elevate-one-cheek pose provides enough 'clearance' to stop boy-parts making direct contact with anything, too.

Getting to the point I swear: post-'perfect' birth, I couldn't sit normally for weeks, it hurt too much. Post-balls surgery, my friend's husband couldn't sit normally for weeks either; we both needed to work out a new way to sit so our 'essentials' weren't actually touching the seat or anything else. Now imagine you've had your cock split open and turned inside out, plus all kinds of other crazy-ass voodoo Islamic nonsense done down there... oh yeah, and it's going necrotic! It took 6-8 weeks for me to go back to just sitting however without first pausing to mitigate the pain, while my friend's husband had (to me) a seemingly minor excision from one ball and he says it took three months before it didn't hurt to the touch and he could sit normally again. Based on our experiences with fairly everyday stuff that genitals sometimes go through, if Jazz (who had the surgical equivalent of a nuclear explosion in his crotch) does have any sensation down there at all, it's (tragically) almost certainly pain, and I'm guessing of the kind that would endure long after ours - particularly given his daily instructions to literally poke the source of the pain with a stick, then a bigger stick, then a BIGGER stick... I would not be surprised if he had to veto Harvard because he quite literally can't sit down (let alone block out the pain enough to pay attention) for the hour or two hours that most college lectures run.

Even watching the first episode of the new season, I kept waiting for a scene where he was sitting normally (well done Kiwis, I feel like I was normal before I joined here, now I'm a conspiracy-peddling autist)... nope, either reclined in his bed at home - seriously, he is always in bed! or in the hospital bed or standing, he was cross-legged when he read the Harvard email, and also on the beach (and still looking uncomfortable) in the opening 'twin's birthdays' scenes. I don't think he was sitting normally the whole episode. (He looked good in the talking-head cutaways in the pink top, but you never saw his lap - he could have been sitting on eight freakin' ring cushions and a ice pack for all we know - even jumping around in the inflatable boobs room, watch him - he's so clearly avoiding any contact to his groin - and after, talking to his brother, he's sitting but his legs are spread and he's got a jacket that's also partially acting as cushioning between him and the seat.)

In the exam room where he first meets Bowers and Ting, he's sitting in a weird place on his butt with legs spread noticeably (this is fully clothed, he wasn't being examined, just having a chat) - I tried the same position at home, I'd say only 10% of my 'bits' were touching my chair, and it was the 10% towards the rear of my body - we all know troons call vaginas "front holes" because their neovags are positioned in an uncanny halfway-to-their-belly-button position on their front where the penis was - the classic description is their neovags look like a \|/ from the front on, not a real woman's \./ Even at the movie premiere, Jazz was mostly sitting with his hands in fists covering where his genitals are, it just looked weird... in pain, feeling self-conscious, IDK... but not normal.

TL, DR: thanks Farms, you gave me autism, but I really think I've solved the Harvard mystery... all the evidence suggests Jazz can't sit normally for some reason, which I think it's safe to assume is probably horrific pain from his botched surgeries. We all agree how awful it would be if he's ended up with no sensation down there, but there's an outcome that's worse, and that's that he has long-term or even lifelong pain resulting from the surgeries... I hope I'm wrong, but it sure seems like Jazz can't sit like a normal person anymore. I just hope for his sake it's not forever... imagine feeling doomed to a life of excruciating pain for the rest of your life at 18, and knowing you (well, Jeanette, but Jazz can't seem to see it) are the one who pushed for the surgeries that doomed you to that life of pain... we'll all look back at this with horror, his best chance now is to sue the hell out of everyone involved in pushing surgery as a miracle dream-come-true and scheduling it as soon as it was legal... brains aren't fully developed at 18, especially not brains on puberty blockers; that unbelievable bitch fight in the middle of the surgery - with seemingly no regard for the fact that Jazz was under a general, which you never want to prolong beyond what's absolutely necessary - just proves it's always been about egos and who gets to claim the 'world firsts' from the start. They don't care about Jazz the person; he's their human 'Operation' game. (Also, how much scarring WAS there? Ting was shooting down everything Bowers wanted to do with "that won't work, that's scar tissue...")

Ugh... Poor Jazz.
 
I've had the same thought about Harvard, that it was because he literally couldn't sit for that long at a stretch. And college involves a huge amount of walking, too.

Wake up, dilate, walk, sit, walk, sit, walk, eat, walk, sit, walk, dilate, sit, dilate.

I hope for that kid's sake that his junk is numb, but it sounds like a lot to expect of someone who has had repeated major surgeries on his crotch.
 
Tl, DR at the bottom since Kiwi Farms has made me autistic ;)

Random theory: is it possible Jazz didn't go to Harvard because he can't physically sit in a lecture hall for two hours yet without obvious accomodations for down-there pain?...

Ugh... Poor Jazz.

They have physical therapy for most of the stuff you have described. I haven't noticed that jazz sits funny, but that's just me. You don't want to sit on one butt cheek or anything like that because your body needs to align bilaterally, with the spine supporting everything evenly. If you have awkward posture, muscle and bone will begin to adjust accordingly and you will be lopsided and begin to hobble.

As for Jazz, I have no idea. I doubt thqt she will have a painful crotch for life simply because the body will heal. But they do need to manage how it heals so that it doesn't heal painfully.
 
I dunno, fellas. He seems to have no problem sitting on his ass all day at home.
But he's not... look carefully, he's almost always 'semi-reclining' in bed or stretched out on a sofa. Since the surgery, he's almost never sitting in a normal position that would put weight on 'America's Next Top Vagina' (shudder.)

They have physical therapy for most of the stuff you have described. I haven't noticed that jazz sits funny, but that's just me. You don't want to sit on one butt cheek or anything like that because your body needs to align bilaterally, with the spine supporting everything evenly. If you have awkward posture, muscle and bone will begin to adjust accordingly and you will be lopsided and begin to hobble.

As for Jazz, I have no idea. I doubt thqt she will have a painful crotch for life simply because the body will heal. But they do need to manage how it heals so that it doesn't heal painfully.
Physical therapy for what? A swollen, sore vagina that's just pushed out a baby or a testicle that's just had a chunk removed? Nope... you just rest up for a few weeks and leave the area alone as best as possible (except for necessary hygiene, of course) so it can heal without repeated injury/insult, and then you go back to sitting normally. No one becomes a hunchback because they have to sit a bit funny for a few weeks.

There are multiple credible, first-hand accounts of botched SRS surgeries that remain excruciatingly painful for years and years after the procedure online... and even worse, people desperately looking for relief from revision surgeries who are turned away by every doctor around because most surgeons don't want their good name ruined trying to fix some other doctor's disaster result. Pushing out a baby is hardly a 'minor' medical event given the delicate tissue involved, but a vagina is still designed to do exactly that and to return back to normal soon after. What's been done to Jazz is both extreme and experimental... I wouldn't doubt for a minute he could be in pain down there for years.
 
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all the evidence suggests Jazz can't sit normally for some reason,

But remember he doesn't regret the surgery and his sexuality is really going to awaken !1 :story:

The only thing he can hope for is being able to sit without pain some day and that can only happen if the unecessary surgeries stop. But that's unlikely since he is completely botched and most likely will always have problems. I guess it's either letting that damn thing heal shut or having surgeries for the rest of his life.
 
they don't exist.

Neither do gay kids.

It's the parents.

Yeah, well. You are lucky enough to live in Spain where they have very little patience for what they percieve to be batshit. Except for during one week in Pamplona, and maybe carnival times. Then it is back to batshit free, cebolla, patatas, queso y trabajo. I lived over there for a couple of years.

They have other problems, and big ones, but there is a consensus, about where normal is.

Spain ... NOT Mexico, Central America and South America, where they have endless patience for fucked up.

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Whether Gay or trans kids exist becomes a moot point if you have a baseline culture that does not tolerate bullying or persecuting anybody, on the basis of anything. Personally, I think that human sexuality has a natural range. Kinks, fetishes and same sex attraction, polyamorous behavior, etc. have always been around. But it was socially and medically categorized as "unnatural" behavior, and it was largely underground.

Here is one example ...


If you do a search on this guy it is like "!".

He would probably roll in his grave with all of this woke shit, because part of the erotic aspect was its hidden nature, in what was outwardly a rather homogeneous culture.

Anyway, gay kids? Well if there are gay and trans kids, we need to be prepared to discuss "straight" or "heterosexual" kids ... are you ready to discuss all the ways you think that little Maria is heterosexual?
 
Yeah, well. You are lucky enough to live in Spain where they have very little patience for what they percieve to be batshit. Except for during one week in Pamplona, and maybe carnival times. Then it is back to batshit free, cebolla, patatas, queso y trabajo. I lived over there for a couple of years.

They have other problems, and big ones, but there is a consensus, about where normal is.

Spain ... NOT Mexico, Central America and South America, where they have endless patience for fucked up.

I live in LatAm and at least here, we ran out of patient with these people because people massively voted for a very conservative Right Wing party.
 
Neither do gay kids.
Gay kids exist. All the evidence suggests that if it weren't for his mother, Jazz would have grown up to be gay. Trans kids might exist, but I certainly doubt it, and the troons don't even care about whether anybody's dysphoric or not - let alone so severely dysphoric that attempting to live as the other gender is the least worst solution. But gay kids do.

After all, there's no such thing as Rapid Onset Homosexuality.
 
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