Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Yeah, being a concubine was a risky fucking business. Your boss died, you got buried alive with him in his tomb. All thousand of you sealed in together to die alongside the guy's furniture. Then we have the old 'lotus feet', breaking middle/upper class women's foot bones and folding them back into flesh triangles and hoping they didn't get gangrene before they healed into tiny, disabling stumps. Fucking madness. That's the one thing Mao did I could admire - stopping that torturous practice.

Tibet is all quaint and shit and had a very old feudal culture before it was overrun by Han Chinese in the 50s and buttfucked to near-cultural death and everyone remembers the proud and noble Tibetan monk who self-immolated to protest it and everyone knows the cute modern and well-spoken Dalai Lama with all his collective wisdom and fun sense of humour as a spirtual and civilized kind of guy. But Tibetan culture pre-Chinese invasion was horribly brutal and fucked up in its own way too. Various Buddhist sects annihilated each other over the centuries. Monks in those monasteries high up were basically allowed to do whatever they fucking pleased to the dirt poor peasantry and what they wanted to do was apparently rape little boys and girls, enslave the peasantry and torture people from time to time. That whole area of the world has always been brutal and fucked-up.
Actually they tried stopping that shit before the qings tried and failed. The han majority did that shit because lol the qings literally told them assimilate or get beheaded. So while the foot binding was niche before it grew like wildfire. Because the qings again was like lulz get rekt han culture.
So pretty adopted foot binding as a han thing.
Basically China is cancer.
 
And now this eye watering report from the NYT:

"If confirmed, it would be the first known instance of the virus in New York City.

Local authorities are unable to test for the virus so they are sending a sample to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for confirmation. Based on the patient’s symptoms and travel history from China, they are taking it seriously. This is the first time that city officials have sent a sample to the C.D.C. for testing.

Another reason the health authorities suspect it is the novel coronavirus: They have tested it for influenza and other common illnesses, and those tests came back negative, health officials said.

The health authorities said the individual is under 40 and is in stable condition. They said they do not expect to receive results from the C.D.C. for 36 to 48 hours, or possibly longer."

So we are prepared huh? New York can't even test for it, and when they send it to the CDC it take 2 days or longer? Now that is a joke.
 
We can afford to lose a few million of them. They are leaches.
I wish I lived on coast. Sigh...
Here's an article from the Washington Post about how the town of Woonsocket, Rhode Island, relies on the influx of cash from food stamps to stay afloat. About one third of the residents receive SNAP. (Article from 2013 so they're potentially doing better now, but I doubt it's by that much). Most coastal dwellers are not elites, including MovieBob, although he likes to think of himself as one. There's the same issues of deindustrialization and addiction as in Ohio. It's not better.
I didn't know Movie Bob had an account here.
Tell me, superior coast-lander, what will happen if all the farm lands fall to disease?
Assuming it was somehow only the Mid West and nowhere else we'd probably be fine, because California and the South are also large producers of agricultural output. But viruses don't follow arbitrary geographic distinctions.
 
And now this eye watering report from the NYT:

"If confirmed, it would be the first known instance of the virus in New York City.

Local authorities are unable to test for the virus so they are sending a sample to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for confirmation. Based on the patient’s symptoms and travel history from China, they are taking it seriously. This is the first time that city officials have sent a sample to the C.D.C. for testing.

Another reason the health authorities suspect it is the novel coronavirus: They have tested it for influenza and other common illnesses, and those tests came back negative, health officials said.

The health authorities said the individual is under 40 and is in stable condition. They said they do not expect to receive results from the C.D.C. for 36 to 48 hours, or possibly longer."

So we are prepared huh? New York can't even test for it, and when they send it to the CDC it take 2 days or longer? Now that is a joke.
Yup NYC's fucked at this point.
 
We've had a good laugh during these past five or four years. I wonder what was THE one thing that made God say "ok, that's it!" and sent all the plagues.

Maybe he watched the recent new episode of I Am Jazz.
I have some idea.

 
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As the Wuhan coronavirus spreads around the globe, spurring speculation about its epidemiological and financial impact, particularly in China, it’s natural to compare it with the SARS outbreak of 2003.

China has changed a lot in the interceding years, most notably the structure of its consumer economy. How people find, select, purchase and consume products is vastly different.

For example, when Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome struck China and spread around the globe, Nokia and Motorola were the top-selling handset brands and the smartphone had yet to be invented. Alibaba introduced its Taobao marketplace that year, and getting a taxi meant making a phone call or hailing one on the street.

Those differences matter because today smartphones are at the center of China’s economy in ways that far surpass use in both North America and Europe, and Taobao is now a core component of consumer spending. Additionally, as my colleague John Authers notes, “China’s economy simply matters far more to the world than it did during SARS in 2003.”

Three companies encapsulate today’s Chinese consumer economy: Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., Tencent Holdings Ltd. and Meituan Dianping. While other names, such as Baidu Inc., ByteDance Ltd. and JD.Com Inc., are significant players, I’d argue that China would function just fine without them. I don’t think the same could be said if Alibaba, Tencent or Meituan were to be brought to a halt.

Much of China’s online commerce, deliveries and payments are done through Alibaba’s stable of offerings, and it has a delivery business called ele.me. Tencent is not only an important payments provider but occupies a lot of consumers’ time and attention through content that includes games, news, streaming and instant messaging.

Share price declines for U.S.-listed shares of Alibaba and Tencent reveal that investors see the Wuhan coronavirus as bad for business. That’s a reasonable assumption. Lunar New Year is when citizens travel across the country, or overseas, and spend lots of money. Any disruption is not likely for the better. Thanks to today’s online-shopping infrastructure, though, consumers don’t need to step outside their door to buy daily necessities, clothes or even luxury goods.

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There are also anecdotes of people spending a lot more time online playing video games and streaming content as they stay indoors for their own safety, a phenomenon known as nesting. That may end up being good for Tencent, which derives half its revenue from online games and social networks. To be sure, online games were big in 2003 and the same thing happened during SARS, but games and TV shows weren’t in the palm of every hand as they are now.

Then there’s Meituan Dianping, perhaps the perfect example of China’s internet-connected consumer economy. The company has two main services: food delivery and bookings for restaurants, hotels and travel.

Food delivery accounts for 57% of revenue but just 32% of gross profit. The bookings business is the reverse, a minority of sales but most of its gross profit.

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If consumers choose not to go out, then home delivery will becomes a more enticing option. The first quarter tends to be a lull for this business, so any upturn would be welcome. But a downturn in bookings could hurt, especially during the Lunar New Year period because it’s such an important moneymaker. It’s tough to make a net-net analysis this early on, especially considering factors such as the availability of delivery drivers because many may have returned to their hometowns for the holiday.
But investors might want to look beyond Feb. 2 — the new extended end of the Lunar New Year holiday (it was originally Jan. 30) — and consider the impact this pandemic fear will have on consumption habits in coming weeks. I am already hearing anecdotes of on-demand drivers, through booking app Didi Chuxing, being far less busy this New Year than in the past. That indicates customers aren’t heading out to visit friends, relatives or restaurants.

The net impact on hotel reservations could be minimal because many visitors will have already returned from travels, yet fewer people will be pulling out their smartphones to book a restaurant. The week or two immediately after New Year is a season for friends and colleagues to gather in more casual settings such as at restaurants and bars, but a mask tends to be a buzz kill, so expect a lot of those plans to be canceled.

People still need to eat, though, and many will have returned from their home provinces to big cities such as Beijing and Shanghai, which means delivery is likely to be a big spending item in ways it wasn’t 17 years ago. If the contagion is controlled quickly and anxiety fades, then things could return to normal pretty quickly. One calendar item, Lantern Festival on Feb. 8, could offer a good benchmark from which to sense any turnaround in sentiment.

As investors compare the fallout from the Wuhan coronavirus with the SARS outbreak, they ought to consider that consumption habits have evolved and the Chinese economy has adapted.
Posting the whole article, interesting read.
 
And now this eye watering report from the NYT:

"If confirmed, it would be the first known instance of the virus in New York City.

Local authorities are unable to test for the virus so they are sending a sample to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for confirmation. Based on the patient’s symptoms and travel history from China, they are taking it seriously. This is the first time that city officials have sent a sample to the C.D.C. for testing.

Another reason the health authorities suspect it is the novel coronavirus: They have tested it for influenza and other common illnesses, and those tests came back negative, health officials said.

The health authorities said the individual is under 40 and is in stable condition. They said they do not expect to receive results from the C.D.C. for 36 to 48 hours, or possibly longer."

So we are prepared huh? New York can't even test for it, and when they send it to the CDC it take 2 days or longer? Now that is a joke.

Start spreadin' the news!
 
Listened to serpentza's video on the coronavirus today. A couple interesting points:

1) When someone is dies in the hospital suffering from the flu in China, and that person has a pre-existing condition, they report the death as due to the pre-existing condition. We do things different in the West, we would say that person died of the flu. This is one of the main reasons for the differences in the mortality rate.

2) The initial response from the CCP to the coronavirus was to harass and intimidate the doctors talking about the coronavirus. This started in early January, before anyone really heard about it. He goes on to talk about racism, and how the Chinese are taught from an early age to treat any criticism of China as racism.

Anyone saying the coronavirus is less lethal than the flu would be right, if you go by CCP numbers. There's a big difference in how they are reported, it's likely they are on-par with one another in terms of mortality. We will never know because of the way China treats doctors.

 
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I didn't know there was enough beavers to get 12 tons worth of beaver dongs.



I'm hoping it's Celluloid Robert.
I walk around the trails here in new england and it was never hard to see evidence of beaver activity around small ponds and streams. I noticed lately I haven't seen them or their dams around at all this year. Even a trail named "beaver trail" that is in wetlands that used to be loaded with them. Now none. I thought it was some disease like what hit the deer a few years ago. I guess I was wrong.
There have also been a few cases of asian"tourists" getting busted in state parks with backpacks full of endangered flowers or mushrooms they harvested from the forests.
Chinese are like fucking locust.
 
So we are prepared huh? New York can't even test for it, and when they send it to the CDC it take 2 days or longer? Now that is a joke.
That nigger is in Bellevue Hospital and he's in isolation. I saw them keep a screaming hobo in a plexiglass enclosure in the ER under police guard who probably had TB and that was years ago so I bet he's now in isolation and everyone that has to go near him is suited up. NYC isn't Wuhan with sick people roaming around and workers who don't follow protocol. It's also home to several teaching medical hospitals so there's no shortage of doctors.

I'm more worried about the ret.arded illegals who don't go to the hospital even though NYC won't do shit to deport them and gives them free health care.
 
And now this eye watering report from the NYT:

"If confirmed, it would be the first known instance of the virus in New York City.

Local authorities are unable to test for the virus so they are sending a sample to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for confirmation. Based on the patient’s symptoms and travel history from China, they are taking it seriously. This is the first time that city officials have sent a sample to the C.D.C. for testing.

Another reason the health authorities suspect it is the novel coronavirus: They have tested it for influenza and other common illnesses, and those tests came back negative, health officials said.

The health authorities said the individual is under 40 and is in stable condition. They said they do not expect to receive results from the C.D.C. for 36 to 48 hours, or possibly longer."

So we are prepared huh? New York can't even test for it, and when they send it to the CDC it take 2 days or longer? Now that is a joke.

Sigh...

This means the system is working. And yes with new ie "novel" diseases samples are generally sent to the CDC for testing. Testing kits are not widespread out to the remote hospitals yet. not even self proclaimed center of everything New York City. That's just how it works. That's how it always works. And it works quite well. Considering the huge Chinese population in and around NYC, and how much daily travel occurs, 1 potential case in a single traveler from Wuhan is a remarkably low number. We are now 12 days into the public knowledge of this. With it having an expected worst case incubation period of 14 days. People in China did not just begin to be infected with it on Jan 20th, nor did they only start moving about the world on that date. So the cases detected outside of China are actually remarkably low, with the vast majority of them being direct travelers from China, and the few examples were the patient had not been to China they were in extended close proximity and direct contact with one or more persons who had. Direct family members in the same residence or that one poor Japanese bus driver who was in a bus with an entire bus of Wuhan tourists for two weeks.

Can it gain a foothold and spread here? Yes. But it's strange that it has not done so yet in the places it would be most anticipated to do so. College Dorms with a high population of recently returned Chinese students. (a close contact living arrangement with extremely poor hygiene and disinfectant processes.) Day Care centers and elementary schools where kids freely mingle in close contact. And the Health care system itself. Which is probably the primary vector of spread in Wuhan.

The spread feels low. It feels like fairly substantial contact is needed to spread or the virus effectively. It probably spreads in saliva droplets and has a decent persistence on hard surfaces. But it doesn't seem to have a far or strong airborne range. Hand sanitizer and regularly wiping down all the common surfaces at work and home will probably do most of the job of keeping you safe.
 
Burning corpses - Reduces infectivity by 3%, severity by 1%, and corpse transmission by 10%. Requires 10% of the population to be dead, and makes citizens less calm.

Central Corpse Disposal - Decreases infectivity and severity by 1%, and corpse transmission by 10%. Requires 0.001% of the population to be dead.

Am I doing this right?
 
Sigh...

This means the system is working. And yes with new ie "novel" diseases samples are generally sent to the CDC for testing. Testing kits are not widespread out to the remote hospitals yet. not even self proclaimed center of everything New York City. That's just how it works. That's how it always works. And it works quite well. Considering the huge Chinese population in and around NYC, and how much daily travel occurs, 1 potential case in a single traveler from Wuhan is a remarkably low number. We are now 12 days into the public knowledge of this. With it having an expected worst case incubation period of 14 days. People in China did not just begin to be infected with it on Jan 20th, nor did they only start moving about the world on that date. So the cases detected outside of China are actually remarkably low, with the vast majority of them being direct travelers from China, and the few examples were the patient had not been to China they were in extended close proximity and direct contact with one or more persons who had. Direct family members in the same residence or that one poor Japanese bus driver who was in a bus with an entire bus of Wuhan tourists for two weeks.

Can it gain a foothold and spread here? Yes. But it's strange that it has not done so yet in the places it would be most anticipated to do so. College Dorms with a high population of recently returned Chinese students. (a close contact living arrangement with extremely poor hygiene and disinfectant processes.) Day Care centers and elementary schools where kids freely mingle in close contact. And the Health care system itself. Which is probably the primary vector of spread in Wuhan.

The spread feels low. It feels like fairly substantial contact is needed to spread or the virus effectively. It probably spreads in saliva droplets and has a decent persistence on hard surfaces. But it doesn't seem to have a far or strong airborne range. Hand sanitizer and regularly wiping down all the common surfaces at work and home will probably do most of the job of keeping you safe.
A few years ago I stopped wearing street shoes in the apartment and noticed I wasn't getting sick every winter. I also vacuum daily and mop (water & vinegar, wood floors) often so that helps. Leaving your shoes outside and not tracking street dirt inside is probably a good idea.
 
That nigger is in Bellevue Hospital and he's in isolation. I saw them keep a screaming hobo in a plexiglass enclosure in the ER under police guard who probably had TB and that was years ago so I bet he's now in isolation and everyone that has to go near him is suited up. NYC isn't Wuhan with sick people roaming around and workers who don't follow protocol. It's also home to several teaching medical hospitals so there's no shortage of doctors.

I'm more worried about the ret.arded illegals who don't go to the hospital even though NYC won't do shit to deport them and gives them free health care.

While most people know Bellevue from being the butt of media jokes and as the frequent dumping ground of psyche cases on tv cop shows, It's actually one of if not the finest "street" level hospitals in the world. They treat the hard stuff as it walks in the door, and they have every resource needed to do it right. It is the Trauma Centers Trauma Center. And the staff there are really never not on guard for the strange, unusual or highly contagious. There are much worse Hospitals this guy could have ended up in. Level 3 or 4 isolation is any day ending in Y for Bellevue.
 
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