Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Sulla]

Sure, their draconic containment methods and fudged numbers could be more about the economy than their pride but that still doesn't mean they engineered the virus.

Well ackchually, as I understand, regional governors are graded on how well their province or city or whatever is doing economically. Thus the incentive to lie about productivity as well as downplay disasters. So that's why the ccp has had to lockdown 50 million because the problem was swept under the rug until recently. (Although the censorship campaign has effectively rebooted, because I guess the situation wasn't bad enough?)

Now the actual reason why I think it's a bioweapon is because of the ccp getting caught red handed stealing viruses and bio material.

While i'm personally convinced its a bioweapon, based off of

https://archive.ph/y5jyb - July-14-19 (Chinese spies one of which specialized in SARS steal data and possibly genetic samples, coronavirus was kept in this lvl 4 biolab)

https://archive.ph/eg04f - October-19-19 (Pandemic exercise is held and detailed how the world should work to deal with a pandemic, features a coronavirus outbreak simulation thats kills 65 million)

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https://archive.ph/sbMkm (nature article talking about the lab above and explicitly states scientists are worried about containment breach, also concern about china using such facilities to create a bioweapon)

https://archive.ph/uEstv (current dna sequence from virus outside of china and compared with chinese released gnomes suggest virus at earliest first infected at around October 30th)

and then more recently this was revealed https://archive.ph/bWQQp

So we have multiple instances of espionage revolving around helping this biolab.
Admittedly I doubt we'll ever get a confession or smoking gun evidence since anyone involved who would be willing to admit to this being a bioweapon are probably already dead.

Quite frankly I don't trust the ccp's word that they weren't developing bioweapons and I certainly don't trust them to be competent when handling hazardous materials.

Also before I forget, this is the only Coronavirus that is capable of transmission during the incubation period. That's why the CDC guy didn't advise travel restrictions initially because this feature is literally underheard of for this particular virus family, so he thought the ccp were just exaggerating the capabilities of the disease.

 

[lottalove]

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[Iriya Asagao]

"my research confirms that it's man made"

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“#China: First they blamed the #coronavirus outbreak on snakes after on bats now on pigs, with no confirmed study about the virus source (my research confirms that it's man made), mass panic from animals started, so piling them up and burning them ALIVE then bury them!!! Inhumane...

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When your feelings are so fragile..

 

[Bum Driller]

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At least they look quite promising. Recovery rate is slowly but surely leaving the death rate behind, if these numbers are anywhere indicative of the situation.

 

[Ahriman]

China completes emergency coronavirus hospital in just days

China completed building on Sunday a massive, makeshift hospital in Wuhan that will serve as the frontline in battling the coronavirus epidemic, according to a report. Huoshenshan Hospital was buil…

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[wtfNeedSignUp]

At least they look quite promising. Recovery rate is slowly but surely leaving the death rate behind, if these numbers are anywhere indicative of the situation.

There are probably shit ton of people that died in their homes or labeled as dying from other reasons.

 

[Mike Hunt]

I'm not really

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I'm not really versed in medical stuff, so I'd like to ask the wisdom of other fellow Kiwis here: is there a way to harvest antibodies from survivors and do something about them that helps combat corona-chan in other people? Or at least provide a starting point for the development of vaccines? Don't mind being rated dumb, so neg rate away, as long as someone educates this thread if that's possible or not.

 

[AnotherPleb]

At least they look quite promising. Recovery rate is slowly but surely leaving the death rate behind, if these numbers are anywhere indicative of the situation.

China is burning all bodies that might be even the slightest bit infectious at the moment, their numbers can not be trusted.

ETA: They are massaging the death tolls as much as someone can - if someone dies of a related symptom that isn't directly from Corona-chan then they aren't listing it. The infected numbers are too low also, as they don't have the testing kits to test everyone that head to the hospitals. The degree of lockdown in those cities is something that the world hasn't seen (at least to this scale) in at least five decades.

China only cares about its economy and how it looks on the world stage, and the movers and shakers in the party know that this makes them look incredibly weak. And they're still going through with this total shutdown. The numbers aren't promising at all.

They're nightmare inducing.

 

[Evilronald]

At least they look quite promising. Recovery rate is slowly but surely leaving the death rate behind, if these numbers are anywhere indicative of the situation.

The crematoriums have been proven to be true and I could see China classifying people who die that they haven’t tested as dead from anything other than corona virus. This is a country that has falsified economic numbers since day 1 of the communist party being in power and they have 0 incentive to tell the truth considering the stability of their corrupt government is their top priority.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I'm not really


I'm not really versed in medical stuff, so I'd like to ask the wisdom of other fellow Kiwis here: is there a way to harvest antibodies from survivors and do something about them that helps combat corona-chan in other people? Or at least provide a starting point for the development of vaccines? Don't mind being rated dumb, so neg rate away, as long as someone educates this thread if that's possible or not.

You could analyze memory cells (B limphocites) to see what antibodies they generate so you can synthezice them. But it's more complex than it looks.

Primary response generates memory cells with different antibodies through hypermutation, so a single person can generate multiple "right" types for a single virus, and multiple people are night guaranteed to have this variation. Now if you count how many variants they'll have for ALL the diseases their body remembers, well, it makes it hard to determine which ones affect this particular disease, and furthermore most affect more than one, so... yeah. And that's before we count on the issue with mutation because if this, like most coronaviri, can reinfect that means it mutates too fast for memory cells to identify it when it comes back. This btw is one of the reasons why antibodies keep working less and less and being replaced with new tech.

In summary, it'd be hard, costly and probably inneficient, but it could be attempted. I'd put more stock on the path the japanese chose of isolating and identifying the virus to make synthetic compounds against it directly without relying on this. It should be faster and unless they REALLY fuck it up (wouldn't be the first time) work better. That being said, this is likely to turn into a seasonal disease for the chinese anyway, we probably already lost the long term fight there, unless for some reason vaccines work much better than against other CVs.

 

[lottalove]

I'm not really


I'm not really versed in medical stuff, so I'd like to ask the wisdom of other fellow Kiwis here: is there a way to harvest antibodies from survivors and do something about them that helps combat corona-chan in other people? Or at least provide a starting point for the development of vaccines? Don't mind being rated dumb, so neg rate away, as long as someone educates this thread if that's possible or not.

I'm not medically versed either. Different units around the world are working on the antivirus.

Some days ago a German scientist, who had been working on coronavirus-antiviruses when SARS happened, also told, that no company found it to be lucrative then to continue working on the antivirus, because the epidemic meanwhile had come to a halt. (lost the source, but seems to be common knowledge).

Now Swiss scientists weighed in on the development of an antivirus against nCoV-2019. They think, it might take years, at least two to three.

Impfstoff-Entwicklung gegen Coronavirus dauert wohl Jahre

Das Coronavirus lässt weiterhin viele Fragen offen, die es zu klären gilt. Unter anderem, ob die Entwicklung eines Impfstoffes schnell genug möglich ist.

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[EmuWarsVeteran]

I'm not medically versed either. Different units around the world are working on the antivirus.

Some days ago a German scientist, who had been working on coronavirus-antiviruses when SARS happened, also told, that no company found it to be lucrative then to continue working on the antivirus, because the epidemic meanwhile had come to a halt. (lost the source, but seems to be common knowledge).

Now Swiss scientists weighed in on the development of an antivirus against nCoV-2019. They think, it might take years, at least two to three.

Impfstoff-Entwicklung gegen Coronavirus dauert wohl Jahre

Das Coronavirus lässt weiterhin viele Fragen offen, die es zu klären gilt. Unter anderem, ob die Entwicklung eines Impfstoffes schnell genug möglich ist.

www.nau.ch

The reason it's not "lucrative" is because once the epidemic is gone you're unlikely to use it at all, since at best it'd be temporarily used for niche cases IF they are properly identified and treated and after a while it'll stop being useful due to mutation anyway. This is why the flu keeps coming back, antivirals sadly are temporary measures, so if it takes longer to find than it takes for the epidemic to end, well, it's worthless. That's the cold truth of biology, sometimes you just can't win at all. This is why western biolabs are as autistic as they are. We know if it gets out it's already going to be a costly and ultimately lost battle. China sadly thought it was in an economic war and safety precautions were too costly for them. Now its time for them to learn why that is not the case. There's a saying over here about these infections: "healing takes a week with treatment and seven days without it." Best thing to do would've been guarantee services, maintain structure, treat symptoms, and inform the population properly. In this kinda cases best thing to do is stay home, have multiple people contacting you dayly to make sure you're not getting worse, rest, eat well, relax, and only go to the hospital if you're in a risk group or start developing more worrisome symptoms, and the government should therefore focus on maintaining equipment for those cases, maintaining travel to the hospitals as efficient as possible, and keeping the population informed, fed and insulated from the elements. They pretry much did the opposite of that. This is what actually caused over 70% of those deaths, mismanagement, not the virus itself.

Edit: I know lately I'm letting my salt against the CCP overtake me for real and I'm sorry. But I hope you understand, this is why. From day 1 they have fucked every step along the way and this is what has caused all this. Not a single measure taken was right. This is why I know the west can take it. I don't trust our politicians, but we call them out and have a thorough science base. I'm just a student myself but we are ALL trained for this kind of eventuality during virology courses, because our scientists know in the end having students who can help with information and organization on a grassroots level is step 1 for containment. I just can't cope with all this nonesensical pain Xi has brought upon his population. None of this is right.

 

[Apathy is my superpower]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ts-latest-news-death-toll-climbs-passing-sars

 

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That is not a hospital. They do not have any spare medical supplies. They do not have any spare doctors.

That is a concentration camp.

 

[Iriya Asagao]

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Forgive my bad chinese, I can't understand properly but it was pointed out that the facility was poorly constructed and the cameraman said "You're much more sanitized at your home than here"

 

[Bat Soup Reviews]

Just the WHO diligently squandering their resources to fight internet wrongthinkers.

His comments were interrupted by a fit of coughing, but the WHO chief assured the assembly that there was no need to worry: "It is not corona."

You cant make this shit up

http://archive.is/ZA49c

 

[lottalove]

Found the source for the interview of a scientist, who had worked on coronaviruses when SARS happened.

ZEIT ONLINE | Lesen Sie zeit.de mit Werbung oder imPUR-Abo. Sie haben die Wahl.

www.zeit.de

They had been asked before that time, why they did such irrelevant research, since coronaviruses were believed to only be responsible for common colds. They developed a substance which can inhibit coronaviruses. He explains how difficult and time-consuming the process is and how long-term-testing of new antivirals is necessary. 8000 SARS infections had not been lucrative then and "This is another reason why we now have no effective medication against the new virus."

 

[No. 7 cat]

The religion that all races are the same except for skin color is just that, a religion. At least with Christianity original sin stopped with faith in Jesus' sacrifice.

Baptism removes the stain of Original Sin, not faith.

Anyhow, I think this wuflu is minor in the scheme of things. The few hundred dead might really be a few thousand, if the Chicoms told the truth, but this will be largely forgotten about in a few months.

 

[cruisecontrol4cool]

Slow news day in Australia. No new cases, we're about to get overtaken by USA and Germany
Repatriated Australians are on their way to the Christmas Island concentration camp detention centre, nobody with symptoms was allowed on board, and nobody's showing symptoms yet. (archive)

Two Sydney northern beaches mothers fought each other IRL after the Wu Flu bants got too heated in the group chat. (archive)
The Daily Mail says it's because one of them didn't self quarantine after coming back from Wuhan, but it's the Daily Mail. (archive)

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Slow news day in Australia. No new cases, we're about to get overtaken by USA and Germany
Repatriated Australians are on their way to the Christmas Island concentration camp detention centre, nobody with symptoms was allowed on board, and nobody's showing symptoms yet. (archive)
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Two Sydney northern beaches mothers fought each other IRL after the Wu Flu bants got too heated in the group chat. (archive)
The Daily Mail says it's because one of them didn't self quarantine after coming back from Wuhan, but it's the Daily Mail. (archive)

"You didn't self quarantine for an infectious virus transmited theough bioaerosol? Let me get close to you and punch you in the face for that!" So, time to bet. Which one was the biggest Karen?