Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Silver Chariot]

@14:22 generic store brand water spotted and Vic drank a good amount of it.

but Porkey, Vic Mignogna yelled at and abused me for giving him that water! Then he said the water was too wet!

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

People like Rial and Marchi would never have been a draw for me to go to a convention before all this shit happened, they certainly aren't now. I prefer my subbed anime over dubbed because the voice actors can actually act. I would be glad to meet Vic at a show because of what he's gone through because of the people he considered friends. I know what it's like to have people you cared for backstab you, but not to the extant of ruining your reputation like they did with him. I wouldn't even bother to ask for an autograph. He's not a comic book artist of writer so there's no value in it whether monetary or historically, but I'd be happy with a picture. You don't see a lot of VA's who actually care about the various fandoms he enjoys like he does. They just think it'll get them bigger roles either acting in Hollywood or getting work at Disney for a huge movie deal. (Have you looked at yourselves and those stars? Even their hairdressers look better than you).

Also

Was the point to try to get to Japan?

"Ree!!!! They bent the knee! Censorship!"
Says the guy who deleted posts on his Discord because of words used "damaging his image". Motherfucker, you have no image. You have Nicks table scraps.

 

[LuNaS]

Which population? The one from twitter? How about get out of that shithole of a place, and actually go there to see what the "population" actually is saying about him, eh pumpkin?

Or does the gig from Comiccuck.com is too lucrative for you to leave your home, and research for once?

Even just taking the Twitter population into account there are more supporters of Vic than detractors. Take any con announcement post of Vic, it's going to have more likes than any post of the KickVic crew.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

but Porkey, Vic Mignogna yelled at and abused me for giving him that water! Then he said the water was too wet!

I'm sorry...I'm a little choked up right now...

That was stunning and brave of you to come forward and share the story of your abuse.

#believeallkiwis
#silentnomore

 

[xyz741]

People like Rial and Marchi would never have been a draw for me to go to a convention before all this shit happened, they certainly aren't now.

This is a core problem for the KV side. Cancelling Vic doesn't financially help anyone else. The net impact on Vic will be interesting to see long term since they've effectively made him a martyr and driven some people to go to his events that might not have done so before. That may or may not be enough to offset the losses in larger con bookings, But for everyone else, it is only a net loss. I'd be shocked if any KV people see net increases in turnout. They're now radioactive to anyone that is ISWV (whether publicly or not) and the vast majority of people that are KV either don't go to conventions or don't PAY to go to conventions.

At the end of the day, this is the hard truth that Jinnie (self-serving ass that she is) figured out and why Shane's "consent con" is an idiot-inspired dumpster fire that's not going to work. There's plenty of people that will give you anonymous likes or shout-outs over your idealistic crusade, but it's much harder to find people that are going to plunk down hard earned cash. This is made all the worse by internet diffusion. Pretend for a moment that 100 people support Shane and whatever lunacy he's spouting today online, you've got maybe 10, if you're lucky, of those in the state. The number of people that'd plunk down dollars to go to a show of support for KV is very low, the number that would pay significant dollars to cross state lines to do it is astronomically small.

 

[Stoneheart]

EDIT: Sorry Draco but it's not optimism. It's just what has already happened. Vic's getting con invites, Zak and EVS made a Million each, Their campaigns aren't taken down off IGG, their channels aren't banned on Youtube, there's more comicsgate books showing up all the time and people just care less they they used to about screeching weasels they don't hear.

Comicsgate can be summarized with one little song right now.

Zack works with a legit A-list moviestar and they raised 50k in 2 days for the book meanwhile marvel Artists have to eat catfood because Disney pays late every week.

lets hope that the weebwars end in the same way.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

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This is a core problem for the KV side. Cancelling Vic doesn't financially help anyone else. The net impact on Vic will be interesting to see long term since they've effectively made him a martyr and driven some people to go to his events that might not have done so before. That may or may not be enough to offset the losses in larger con bookings, But for everyone else, it is only a net loss. I'd be shocked if any KV people see net increases in turnout. They're now radioactive to anyone that is ISWV (whether publicly or not) and the vast majority of people that are KV either don't go to conventions or don't PAY to go to conventions.

At the end of the day, this is the hard truth that Jinnie (self-serving ass that she is) figured out and why Shane's "consent con" is an idiot-inspired dumpster fire that's not going to work. There's plenty of people that will give you anonymous likes or shout-outs over your idealistic crusade, but it's much harder to find people that are going to plunk down hard earned cash. This is made all the worse by internet diffusion. Pretend for a moment that 100 people support Shane and whatever lunacy he's spouting today online, you've got maybe 10, if you're lucky, of those in the state. The number of people that'd plunk down dollars to go to a show of support for KV is very low, the number that would pay significant dollars to cross state lines to do it is astronomically small.

In a lot of ways, it's a problem with a built in solution. They really are taking themselves out of the gene pool. If it wasn't for the other people they hurt, it would be a good thing. But of course, they do hurt people in the process.

Fortunately they are so insular and unintelligent, they don't understand that the jobs they are 'securing for themselves' arent going to be there much longer. Their industry is collapsing - the entertainment/media industry. If they followed the business side at all, they would know that the parent companies are all laying off, cutting back, outsourcing etc. And they arent small moves.

There are more 'voice actors' than there are roles. Only a handful of names that result in sales. Rial/Marchi are not among them.

There are more editors, artists and writers than comics to fill. Only a handful of names that result in sales. Renfamous, Simone, Kwanza and Antos arent among them. DC is in fact in serious danger of closing shop if their latest 'phase' of wokeness fails. Black supermen and Trans wonder women mean thats a certainty.

The properties that the KV/cancel crew are attached to are perpetually low sellers. The titles are often just musical chair games that last 6 issues or less before being canceled and rebooted to even lower sales with the same no-talents on board. In less than 2 years, these people will have no companies to ply their trade. And the very few remaining will be hiring the people whose names sell. The train ride is quite literally ending around Snowflake Central as we speak and every one of them is posting the "It's Fine" meme.

TLDR: Dont look at Marvel or DC or Funi or Rooster Teeth. Look at the shareholder reports ...Of the parent companies.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It


In a lot of ways, it's a problem with a built in solution. They really are taking themselves out of the gene pool. If it wasn't for the other people they hurt, it would be a good thing. But of course, they do hurt people in the process.

Fortunately they are so insular and unintelligent, they don't understand that the jobs they are 'securing for themselves' arent going to be there much longer. Their industry is collapsing - the entertainment/media industry. If they followed the business side at all, they would know that the parent companies are all laying off, cutting back, outsourcing etc. And they arent small moves.

There are more 'voice actors' than there are roles. Only a handful of names that result in sales. Rial/Marchi are not among them.

There are more editors, artists and writers than comics to fill. Only a handful of names that result in sales. Renfamous, Simone, Kwanza and Antos arent among them. DC is in fact in serious danger of closing shop if their latest 'phase' of wokeness fails. Black supermen and Trans wonder women mean thats a certainty.

The properties that the KV/cancel crew are attached to are perpetually low sellers. The titles are often just musical chair games that last 6 issues or less before being canceled and rebooted to even lower sales with the same no-talents on board. In less than 2 years, these people will have no companies to ply their trade. And the very few remaining will be hiring the people whose names sell. The train ride is quite literally ending around Snowflake Central as we speak and every one of them is posting the "It's Fine" meme.

TLDR: Dont look at Marvel or DC or Funi or Rooster Teeth. Look at the shareholder reports.

When do the reports come in?

Comicsgate can be summarized with one little song right now.

Zack works with a legit A-list moviestar and they raised 50k in 2 days for the book meanwhile marvel Artists have to eat catfood because Disney pays late every week.

lets hope that the weebwars end in the same way.

Eh, those Marvel artists have been at a dead end since 2008. And now after Endgame, they’re super fucked.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

When do the reports come in?

Eh, those Marvel artists have been at a dead end since 2008. And now after Endgame, they’re super fucked.

Depends on the company.

 

[HighwayStar]

"Ree!!!! They bent the knee! Censorship!"
Says the guy who deleted posts on his Discord because of words used "damaging his image". Motherfucker, you have no image. You have Nicks table scraps.

I was contemplating on watching this video and even clicked on the link. Then I saw that YouTube thumbnail and I’m like, “Ehhh...no thanks”.

This is a core problem for the KV side. Cancelling Vic doesn't financially help anyone else. The net impact on Vic will be interesting to see long term since they've effectively made him a martyr and driven some people to go to his events that might not have done so before. That may or may not be enough to offset the losses in larger con bookings, But for everyone else, it is only a net loss. I'd be shocked if any KV people see net increases in turnout. They're now radioactive to anyone that is ISWV (whether publicly or not) and the vast majority of people that are KV either don't go to conventions or don't PAY to go to conventions.

At the end of the day, this is the hard truth that Jinnie (self-serving ass that she is) figured out and why Shane's "consent con" is an idiot-inspired dumpster fire that's not going to work. There's plenty of people that will give you anonymous likes or shout-outs over your idealistic crusade, but it's much harder to find people that are going to plunk down hard earned cash. This is made all the worse by internet diffusion. Pretend for a moment that 100 people support Shane and whatever lunacy he's spouting today online, you've got maybe 10, if you're lucky, of those in the state. The number of people that'd plunk down dollars to go to a show of support for KV is very low, the number that would pay significant dollars to cross state lines to do it is astronomically small.

Exactly. There’s a reason why Vic’s GFM has made more money in a year than most of these VA’s will make in a lifetime. What does it say when this GFM made almost twice as much as EVS’s GFM for the Meyer v. Waid lawsuit?

Speaking of which, Vic’s GFM is about $440 away from getting to $275,000. That’s over $25,000 away from reaching $300,000. How crazy is it that last year, the original goal was $100,000 and now we’re almost at 300k. Think of how even more significant this would be if the drive crossed that mark. The outpouring of rage and butthurt from the other side would be colossal, and I will love every minute of it.

 

[Silver Chariot]

Even just taking the Twitter population into account there are more supporters of Vic than detractors. Take any con announcement post of Vic, it's going to have more likes than any post of the KickVic crew.

hell, isn't most of the VA community on Vic's side anyway? they just aren't vocal about it because they want to not derail their careers right now in this mess

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

There's another thing to add to the industry layoff/collapse. Not only do these cancel culture idiots have nowhere to go within their industries, They don't have any skill set OUTSIDE THOSE RESPECTIVE INDUSTRIES when the jobs go away.

The vast majority of the cows discussed on KF have a lot of pronouns and sexual prefs in their bios. And they also have posts filled with stories of dropping out of HS/College, tales of food stamp tips and many other tricks for dining ANTIFA style from restraunt garbage bins... But no work histories other than 'voice actor', aspiring or otherwise and work on comics no one buys with awful stories and art.

Where in the workforce are they gonna go? They literally don't have the qualifications for a fast food cook and they are filled with self admitted medical issues and mental problems. And thats BEFORE any potential employer even checks their social media.

They are headed for a life on welfare.

 

[Silver Chariot]

They are headed for a life on welfare.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, you have a point.
I don't want my tax dollars going to these fucknuggets, they already go to OPL

 

[Roland Daggett]

hell, isn't most of the VA community on Vic's side anyway? they just aren't vocal about it because they want to not derail their careers right now in this mess

We don't have concrete numbers but considering how many VAs there are and the relative few who are genuinely outspoken against Vic I'd say it's a fair chance that a there's a silent majority that either support him or at least don't believe the accusations, but are scared to come out publicly considering what happened to people like Todd Haberkorn and Reuben Langdon. Nick and Vic have both stated that there are plenty of VAs who support Vic behind the scenes and some that are even real close to Monica. The complication comes with people like Don Sabat who wield a lot of power in the industry who want to destroy Vic. It's a complete mess but as soon as there's some kind of security for people who support Vic I'm sure we'll see a lot more people come out publicly for him.

 

[Silver Chariot]

We don't have concrete numbers but considering how many VAs there are and the relative few who are genuinely outspoken against Vic I'd say it's a fair chance that a there's a silent majority that either support him or at least don't believe the accusations, but are scared to come out publicly considering what happened to people like Todd Haberkorn and Reuben Langdon. Nick and Vic have both stated that there are plenty of VAs who support Vic behind the scenes and some that are even real close to Monica. The complication comes with people like Don Sabat who wield a lot of power in the industry who want to destroy Vic. It's a complete mess but as soon as there's some kind of security for people who support Vic I'm sure we'll see a lot more people come out publicly for him.

is there a specific list like that? or is it all in the Weeb Wars Index?

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, you have a point.
I don't want my tax dollars going to these fucknuggets, they already go to OPL

Another silver lining to that particular cloud is that being overwhelmingly W H I T E , They'll get sent to the back of the que. Which is as it should be under the rules they established.

I would add that they should be mocked relentlessly for denying those limited dollars to people of color who don't enjoy the white privilege they do. They should all step aside and give that money to more deserving people. And anyone is more deserving.

 

[xyz741]

TLDR: Dont look at Marvel or DC or Funi or Rooster Teeth. Look at the shareholder reports ...Of the parent companies.

The comicbook companies and now Lucasfilm are even stupider. They're literally thumbing their nose at customers with decades worth of brand loyalty trying to acquire people that have been saying their product is for babies for practically their entire lives. Yeah, loading your product with virtue signaling will get those people to praise your politics, but will they BUY your product? No, because they're not, never have been and never will be your customers. You don't get girls (for example) long term by making Superman a woman. The women/girls that laud that are going to grow out of comics in the blink of an eye. You get girls by making a new product that appeals to them.

You know why Greta whatshername made headlines? Because 99% of kids would rather screw around and play games and blow their money on "fun" rather than push political agendas or try to enact major political policy. And that's fine, they should be doing that. If you think your teenage kids know how to run things then give them control of the family bank account and see what happens.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Was the point to try to get to Japan?

I don’t feel like watching a Yellowflash video, but if I’ve heard correctly this situation has nothing to do with Western SJW’s and everything to do with China. Nobody in America knows this guys name, at most they would have heard about Unit 271.

 

[Roland Daggett]

is there a specific list like that? or is it all in the Weeb Wars Index?

I remember back at I think Anime Matsuri Vic had mentioned a list of people who he still trusted but I don't remember all of them. I remember Caitlin Glass and Laura Bailey were on the list but I'd have to look up that list.

 

[Garm]

Please refer to this thread for TL;DR:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/weeb-wars.55345/

Find where you left off and you'll get the gist of what has happened since
(literally the reason why I structured it the way it is).

You need to get a macro or something for this.

When do the reports come in?

Eh, those Marvel artists have been at a dead end since 2008. And now after Endgame, they’re super fucked.

I attached a snapshot of the financial report from AT&T. They own Time Warner who in turn owns Rooster Teeth. I think Time Warner suffered a loss, primarily due to DirectTv being dead weight.

Reports can be found here

Investor Relations

Investor Relations

investors.att.com

Sony 3rd Quarter 2019 will be revealed tomorrow. Because some how they don't have that shit done already.