Careercow Chuck Wendig / Charles Wendig / TerribleMinds - Terrible author, terrible person, ruined Internet Archive's online library

[Doctor Placebo]

Since we're on the subject, I might as well share this video, since it perfectly illustrates using swearing well and badly in the same franchise.

In the TOS movie, swearing (albeit mildly) is used to contrast the modern day with the Star Trek future. The primary motivations behind swearing are to vent anger in a neutral way and express defiance of social norms. In the idealized Star Trek future, social norms are so universally beneficial that people don't feel a need to defy them, people get angry a lot less, and when they do get angry they're encouraged to channel their anger into improving their outcome, which because society is so good, they're usually empowered to do. Even a rough and tumble manly starship captain like Kirk seeing no need to swear shares a lot of information about the Star Trek future very subtly.

Then STD shits all over that, of course, because the writers didn't understand that little touches like that aren't just relics of a bygone era of TV broadcasting, they're important little features of the setting that flesh it out and establish its tone.

 

[Jaimas]

Since we're on the subject, I might as well share this video, since it perfectly illustrates using swearing well and badly in the same franchise.

In the TOS movie, swearing (albeit mildly) is used to contrast the modern day with the Star Trek future. The primary motivations behind swearing are to vent anger in a neutral way and express defiance of social norms. In the idealized Star Trek future, social norms are so universally beneficial that people don't feel a need to defy them, people get angry a lot less, and when they do get angry they're encouraged to channel their anger into improving their outcome, which because society is so good, they're usually empowered to do. Even a rough and tumble manly starship captain like Kirk seeing no need to swear shares a lot of information about the Star Trek future very subtly.

Then STD shits all over that, of course, because the writers didn't understand that little touches like that aren't just relics of a bygone era of TV broadcasting, they're important little features of the setting that flesh it out and establish its tone.

I love how its abbreviation says exactly what it is.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Since we're on the subject, I might as well share this video, since it perfectly illustrates using swearing well and badly in the same franchise.

In the TOS movie, swearing (albeit mildly) is used to contrast the modern day with the Star Trek future. The primary motivations behind swearing are to vent anger in a neutral way and express defiance of social norms. In the idealized Star Trek future, social norms are so universally beneficial that people don't feel a need to defy them, people get angry a lot less, and when they do get angry they're encouraged to channel their anger into improving their outcome, which because society is so good, they're usually empowered to do. Even a rough and tumble manly starship captain like Kirk seeing no need to swear shares a lot of information about the Star Trek future very subtly.

Then STD shits all over that, of course, because the writers didn't understand that little touches like that aren't just relics of a bygone era of TV broadcasting, they're important little features of the setting that flesh it out and establish its tone.

The only time I've really approved of swearing in Star Trek was the few times we see, for instance, Picard get angry and say "damn", which for him is rare and shows how frustrated he is.
Or if they meet humans who live outside the federation, or who have been cryogenically frozen since a time before the federation. Those people would naturally be far cruder than Starfleet officers.

And of course, the best use of a swear word in any movie ever, the scene in Star Trek Generations where Data, struggling with his newly activated emotion chip, yells "OH SHIT!" when the Enterprise was about to crash. That one made me laugh but it also made a lot of sense given what was going on in the film.

Discovery trying to shoehorn in f bombs was embarrassing as hell.

 

[Mola Ram]

I love how its abbreviation says exactly what it is.

Worse than the swearing is how immature the characters are, though I suppose the swearing is arguably a symptom of that. There are multiple videos ripping the "Short Trek" with H. Jon Benjamin for betraying just what Star Trek is supposed to be about, but what gets me is that the captain looks and acts like she's not capable of being a shift manager at an Arby's, much less commanding a starship.

That sort of immaturity drips from Wendig's characters, from what I've seen.

And of course, the best use of a swear word in any movie ever, the scene in Star Trek Generations where Data, struggling with his newly activated emotion chip, yells "OH SHIT!" when the Enterprise was about to crash. That one made me laugh but it also made a lot of sense given what was going on in the film.

Aw, c'mon, that's not even the best use of profanity in a Star Trek movie, much less any movie ever.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Aw, c'mon, that's not even the best use of profanity in a Star Trek movie, much less any movie ever.

Now I feel ashamed because I completely forgot about the double dumbass line. That entire movie was a joy to watch.

"Too much LDS" also killed the fuck out of me.

 

[Rekkington]

Wendig is a man who writes Star Wars fan fiction and says fuck on social media all day. By virtue of simply having a dominating personality, he's manipulated himself into a lifestyle that requires less emotional maturity than that of a 12 year old. If he could find a way to get rewarded for sucking his thumb and yelling COCK into a tin can telephone, I'm sure he'd be there by now.

I absolutely loathe when they think they're being cute and clever with it, like "these fuck-tornadoes, these tornadoes of fuck" shut up nerd. "Looks like I'm being inundated with the idiotic wordvomit from douche-mouthed twatwaffles." Fucking boo.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

It really is, unless you're writing smut. It makes your writing seem cheaper.

or if you're trying to accurately portray the way people talk in real life
for instance, Last Exit To Brooklyn is full of profanity, because that's just the way people talked in 1950s and early 60s Brooklyn

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Here’s something that always astounded me about Wendig; he used to work with Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

ADB is the complete opposite of Wendig. He is one of the most popular authors for Warhammer, has great fan interaction, and doesn’t sperg out on Twitter.

And I believe they still interact with each other. Hoe the hell did none of ADB’s talent rub off on this guy?

 

[AnOminous]

I would say it depends on the context. If the characters are supposed to be really crude, particularly in contemporary fiction for older audiences, it can be appropriate. Some characters just need to swear to properly capture what they're all about.

Jesse Pinkman didn't use "bitch" as profanity, it was just a form of punctuation. His timing was impeccable, though.

For someone who seems to love profanity so much, Cuck Wendigo is frankly fucking awful at it. He should give up. He is no Al Swearengen. His profanities and obscenities do not approach the Shakespearean or even the Andrew Dice Clay level of creativity.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

Since we're on the subject, I might as well share this video, since it perfectly illustrates using swearing well and badly in the same franchise.

Counterpoint: "This is so fucking cool!" completely redeemed an otherwise totally dogshit STD episode.

 

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I absolutely loathe when they think they're being cute and clever with it, like "these fuck-tornadoes, these tornadoes of fuck" shut up nerd. "Looks like I'm being inundated with the idiotic wordvomit from douche-mouthed twatwaffles." Fucking boo.

Lines like that could only work in very specific circumstances, like the Angry Video Game Nerd, whose entire shtick is to be an angry and profane manchild in the basement playing games he hates. Part of the appeal is laughing at the misery of the Nerd. Someone like that but an actual person and not just a character created by a comedian is called a lolcow. And someone who writes characters in allegedly serious stories like that is called a shit writer.

Now I feel ashamed because I completely forgot about the double dumbass line. That entire movie was a joy to watch.

"Too much LDS" also killed the fuck out of me.

I love it, it works as a serious Star Trek movie and works as a parody of Star Trek. So many classic moments.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Counterpoint: "This is so fucking cool!" completely redeemed an otherwise totally dogshit STD episode.

Oh man, that scene was so cringy it made my skin crawl. I felt an odd combination of pity and absolute hatred for everyone involved in the scene.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Here’s something that always astounded me about Wendig; he used to work with Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

ADB is the complete opposite of Wendig. He is one of the most popular authors for Warhammer, has great fan interaction, and doesn’t sperg out on Twitter.

And I believe they still interact with each other. Hoe the hell did none of ADB’s talent rub off on this guy?

I would love to hear more about this. What caused them to run into each other?

That said, to answer the question: talent doesn't work like that. Wendig's talent (such as it is) is cozying up to his fellow travellers and kissing their ass so they'll give him work. I can't imagine that ADB got anything creative out of that connection, but he may just have gotten his foot in a few doors (well, that and the addresses of some gay craft breweries if he's into that sort of thing.)

 

[Imperial Citizen]

I would love to hear more about this. What caused them to run into each other?

That said, to answer the question: talent doesn't work like that. Wendig's talent (such as it is) is cozying up to his fellow travellers and kissing their ass so they'll give him work. I can't imagine that ADB got anything creative out of that connection, but he may just have gotten his foot in a few doors (well, that and the addresses of some gay craft breweries if he's into that sort of thing.)

They worked together at White Wolf on several Chronicles of Darkness books.

The interesting thing is that they are still on good terms with each other at least according to a blog post from 2010. And I believe they’ve remained contact through tweets.

It could be that Chuck was better at writing for rpgs or Twitter really fried his brain. Might take a look at some of his rpg work and see if it matches his current style.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

Jesse Pinkman didn't use "bitch" as profanity, it was just a form of punctuation. His timing was impeccable, though.

For someone who seems to love profanity so much, Cuck Wendigo is frankly fucking awful at it. He should give up. He is no Al Swearengen. His profanities and obscenities do not approach the Shakespearean or even the Andrew Dice Clay level of creativity.

or indeed, that of Derek and Clive

 

[Haramburger]

From what I've heard, DC has been sending out check to comic creators whose characters get used in movies, but there's no formal agreement about this. It was something nice former editor-in-chief Paul Levitz started doing. I don't think Marvel is doing the same thing.

This is a more formalized policy for Marvel:

Marvel Begins New "Special Character Policy" For Creators - Marvel - Comic Vine

It's always a sticky situation when creators come up with a new character for a major publisher. It's pretty much known going in that any new char

comicvine.gamespot.com

It stems from treating creators like Stan right who basically built the company on the backs of their characters, but it led to the creation of a lot of junk(like Ms. Marvel or Miles Morales) who were created in hopes that they'd deliver fat royalties via these contracts if they caught on or at least cameo'd often enough in other media(mostly games). It's assumed you get nicer contracts/benefits the better of a creator you are/your fan presence; I suspect Straczynski gets better dividends than Zoe Quinn for her horrible OC Cait Nekomata, for example.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

Here’s something that always astounded me about Wendig; he used to work with Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

ADB is the complete opposite of Wendig. He is one of the most popular authors for Warhammer, has great fan interaction, and doesn’t sperg out on Twitter.

And I believe they still interact with each other. Hoe the hell did none of ADB’s talent rub off on this guy?

It's impossible for talent to rub off on a guy who refuses to learn anything new because he already views himself being fantastic at what he does.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

This is a more formalized policy for Marvel:

Marvel Begins New "Special Character Policy" For Creators - Marvel - Comic Vine

It's always a sticky situation when creators come up with a new character for a major publisher. It's pretty much known going in that any new char

comicvine.gamespot.com

It stems from treating creators like Stan right who basically built the company on the backs of their characters, but it led to the creation of a lot of junk(like Ms. Marvel or Miles Morales) who were created in hopes that they'd deliver fat royalties via these contracts if they caught on or at least cameo'd often enough in other media(mostly games). It's assumed you get nicer contracts/benefits the better of a creator you are/your fan presence; I suspect Straczynski gets better dividends than Zoe Quinn for her horrible OC Cait Nekomata, for example.

Ya boi Zack frequently mentions that most of the terrible new comic series he reviews were only made with hopes of signing over a TV deal and raking in the bucks. Most of them never finish satisfactorily or really get off the ground.

Mainstream comics are basically a woke pyramid scheme now.

Just thinking about all those pointlessly killed and pulped trees used to make that trash makes me empathize with Ted Kaczynski.

 

[Mola Ram]

Cow crossover with Brianna Wu, wherein we learn Chuck is building a literal cuckshed. (Chuckshed?)

 

[Creep3r]

Cow crossover with Brianna Wu, wherein we learn Chuck is building a literal cuckshed. (Chuckshed?)

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First a cuckshed and now a crossover with Wu... Meme magic is getting out of hand.