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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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This is amazing
Coronavirus doctor’s death a catalyst for ‘freedom of speech’ demands
If the public can’t express their views, the crisis of confidence will only recur, analyst says, as Beijing’s top anti-corruption agency sends investigators to Wuhan.www.scmp.com
Life finds a way. I can't stop thinking about the, erm, spirituality aspect of this situation, as though things are balancing themselves. Communism isn't being defeated by a revolution or some intervention but by a bug. Very "War of the World"ish.
The world doesn't really care because a big chunk of it runs with Chinese money. They will probably open up and act honestly when they realise China's going down bad so they win nothing from cover up for them.
You could be right, but there is also a chance they are only reporting deaths by CV.
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Communism always defeats itself, Reality always comes back home to make sweet love with dear leaders rump at some point.
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hopefully she'll be happy with just the commies and the rest of the third world and leave western countries alone.
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Well the memes are top notch at least!
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I hate to be a Debbie Downer here.
But the likelihood of an untrained individual being able to successfully maintain, use, and decontaminate a P100 mask (much less clothes tbh) in a biological environment is so stacked against them, that the purchase of the mask is a waste of time. In some event that the virus becomes as prevalent in the west as it is in China, your best bet will be spending your money on dry staples that you can eat instead. Spend it on ensuring an adequate water supply. Unless you have some extremely pressing manner that forces you out of your home, you absolutely should not be running into a situation where you should need a mask in the first place.
You must have these masks fitted to you. They are not one-size-fits-all. Do you know when during the decon procedure you should be doffing your mask? Do you know the manufacturer's recommended chemicals for decon? Do you know how to store your mask? Do the goggles you purchased fit well with your mask? Where will you be decontaminating yourself at? Are you decontaminating yourself without assistance? Do you understand how difficult that is without help? How will you wash contaminated clothing? What guarantee do you have that you will be 100% sure each expedition outside won't track contaminants into your 'clean' area? Does the manufacturer even recommend the filter you purchased for biological contaminants? The mask?
If you absolutely must buy masks, buy disposable N95 masks if at all possible. I am always a bit suspicious whenever the CDC or any other government agency warns us not to buy something in bulk - after all they're going to need them - but I'm pretty in line with their guidance about masks. All this being said, I don't think this virus is going to run through the west quite like it is in China. Only until a cluster really starts to grow in the US or another western nation (say several hundred or thousand getting sick within a week in a major city) would I begin to seriously worry. At this time, my best recommendation is to focus on securing dry goods to allow you to stay home. Beans and rice.
EDIT: Just to clarify, not beating up on Rudy Russo here.
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Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 on Twitter
“Exclusive investigation of @dajiyuan: Two crematorium in #Wuhan cremate about 341 bodies per day. #coronavirus #CoronavirusChina #conoravirusoutbreak 【獨家】湖北兩館每日火化約341新冠死者 https://www.epo: Two crematoria in /n11845444.htm”twitter.com
The fire's at least killing the virus lingering on the corpses, right? But even if they're not, are they not sterilizing those crematoriums after every use? That sounds like a recipe for disaster, since it's practically confirmed the virus will live up to five days outside of the host (far as I can tell, viruses cannot duplicate without hosts like bacteria and other germs, they need cells to incubate). Handling of the bodies is already enough of a risk to get the coronavirus, but what if that shit's getting in the air, or continues to fester?
This is China we're talking about, I'm sure they're not sterilizing anything, but you'd think they'd at least clean out the crematoriums before stuffing more bodies inside.
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if the leaks are to be believed then the incinerators are working 24/7, i doubt they have time to clean, maybe on a slow day they might have some time but under "normal" circumstances i doubt it.
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Considering the level of medical knowledge displayed so far they probably think that just operating the crematorium sterilizes it.
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If corona can survive in a cremation machine, we've got problems.
Cremation machines can run from 1100 to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, normally. You're not just trying to 'cook some meat' when you cremate something the intent is to literally completely and utterly destroy the body, turn it to ash. The process will leave some bone chunks that have to be ground up into ash as well, and anything surgically implanted that's metal with a higher melting point, but there's nothing 'meaty' left to possibly allow for the virus to live on. 'Cleaning' a machine after a cremation is the process of scraping out the ashes, grinding up the bone chunks, picking out any medical devices, and packaging the ashes. It basically self sterilizes at those temps. They'd be wise to wipe down the front panels / handles / buttons on the regular I suppose, but that's dependent on how they're handling the bodies. Usually a body will be placed in a disposable cardboard coffin to feed it into the machine, so the one handling the feeding into the machine will have minimal contact with the body- unless they're the ones who're also picking up the dead.
If Corona can barely handle room temp for any period of time then it's not going to handle many thousands of degrees.
The risk would be from the worker handling the corpse to place it in the box and even then I'm not sure how long the virus 'stays alive' on a dead victim. Humans start breaking down pretty quickly and it's arguable I suppose that the dying body could become caustic towards the virus as it shuts down and begins to decay, I'm not in the medical field though so take that with a handful of salt, I would think in most cases the time between pick-up of the corpse and the actual cremation would render the virus inert in the person. Maybe not on their clothing or whatever and that's only if you have the perfect storm of environmental factors that supposedly allows it to live for 5 days on a surface.
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The low IQ, uneducated and insular nature of third world countries ruled by dictators and warlords seek comfort in manipulating that which they believe they still control, which in this case is fertility and sex. They believe witch doctors and fairy tales telling them they can do magical things even if the local warlord has taken their crops, children and/or wives.
"General Ooga took my wife and children but this rhino horn will enable me to get another wife! The voodoo priestess said so! It's my superior culture, don't laugh bigot!" muttering as he spends his last penny on the fake rhino horn.
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Don't forget china uses pangolin for Thier "Tradional Medicine." This is like mother nature exacting her revenge on people who kill and eat endangered animals.
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But TCM was supposed to help them get better. TCM for health, Western medicine for sickness. That's what we were told!!
You're telling me that TCM will not only be unable to help the Coronavirus victims, but that is might have been a primary vector of its spread?
You're telling me that TCM will not only be unable to help the Coronavirus victims, but that is might have been a primary vector of its spread?
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Exactly. It's not like they're frying them on giant open-air grills or something. Only a total smooth-brained r.etard or con artist would try to say that doing something like that would dispose of bodies without leaving a trace.
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Yeah, the cremation chamber itself doesn't need to be disinfected.
But the crematorium building itself--from the vans bodies arrive in, to the area where they're first loaded in, to the carts they are placed upon, to the other workers who picked them up from hospitals, to the anteroom they sit in before going into the cremation chamber, to anyone who might have to open the bags or remove bodies from them--there are so many routes for potential contamination, and I doubt those are covered adequately. Because hey, it's fucking China.
Then there's the question of whether the bodies are burned in the bags they arrive in or not. I believe they are; there was footage shot inside a crematorium that showed bodies, still in bags, waiting on gurneys. Putting them into cardboard coffins may be (rightly) viewed as too much of a risk). So as long as those bags are never opened, that's one less route for infection. But who knows what's on the bags themselves? I don't see those getting sprayed with any sort of disinfectant in any of the videos where bodies are being loaded into vans, and I doubt the vans themselves get disinfected between loads.
And while the crematorium workers might wear protective gear, they're overworked and exhausted and it's so fucking easy to make mistakes or get sloppy (especially since protective gear is often uncomfortable, especially when worn for long periods). They may not be adequately trained on how to disrobe and disinfect at the end of a shift (as @Still Anonymous For This has described above), or even have adequate, properly-fitted gear in the first place. If they're attempting to re-use disposable gear due to shortages--well, they're just fucked, aren't they? And on top of that, stress and exhaustion weaken one's resistance to disease. So there is still plenty of opportunity for crematory workers to catch this shit, even if they never have direct contact with a live, infected individual.
Yeah, I wonder about that. But a dead person isn't coughing, sneezing, or respiring live airborne viruses, so bodies, in themselves, may not represent much of a hazard. But those plastic body bags are exactly the sort of non-porous surface the virus can live on (at least under ideal conditions) for several days.
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Maybe unpopular opinion, but this coronavirus is still not as disastrous as I'd like to expect. China's population is 1.386 billion people, and epidemic should at least get a million or two infected people to cause a real panic mode.
It's too early to estimate the real danger thanks to CCP censorship; a week or two should make a difference. If things start to get slowed down after this period of time, then it's game over for the virus. If not... things will get more interesting.
But now it's boring. It's just as irritating as if you'd go to the cinema, and there's no action on the screen after a ten minutes of the long-ass movie. Another episode of groundhog day, just like Brexit situation. Or media coverage of school shootings. Oversaturation of news make people desensitized.
We don't know how it's started exactly. But I do know how it will end. Everyone will be tired of news about coronavirus.
When it ends, there'll be nobody to bother about coronavirus, as people will be busy dealing with other problems. There won't be headlines or cheers of victory. It will belong in the past as SARS or Ebola and become a part of history.
The only difference is it'll be riddled with memes and that's it.
It's too early to estimate the real danger thanks to CCP censorship; a week or two should make a difference. If things start to get slowed down after this period of time, then it's game over for the virus. If not... things will get more interesting.
But now it's boring. It's just as irritating as if you'd go to the cinema, and there's no action on the screen after a ten minutes of the long-ass movie. Another episode of groundhog day, just like Brexit situation. Or media coverage of school shootings. Oversaturation of news make people desensitized.
We don't know how it's started exactly. But I do know how it will end. Everyone will be tired of news about coronavirus.
When it ends, there'll be nobody to bother about coronavirus, as people will be busy dealing with other problems. There won't be headlines or cheers of victory. It will belong in the past as SARS or Ebola and become a part of history.
The only difference is it'll be riddled with memes and that's it.
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They better hope that cremation doesn't spread the disease like the incinator did in Return of the Living Dead.
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