Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[remiem]

Chinese official confirms airborne transition:

So this is why they were spraying?

I mean how do you even protect from this? outside of gas masks? and literally spraying yourself down before/after you go out somewhere with whatever kills it.

I feel like this doesn't help soothe people at all. How long does it 'stay alive' in those particles? Obviously it's coming from people coughing and sneezing it out but what's the shelf life of this thing once that's happened? It is short and it's so massive in China because it's so crowded? or is it long enough to be concerning?

It has to be airborne anyway because it's not like all the supposedly infected were sticking their face extremely close to someone who was sick so as to get a full blast of droplets when they coughed or sneezed.

 

[Keystone]

Can a virus even do this, or is this just another LARP?

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[Otterly]

Viruses don’t produce spores. Fungi are an entirely different kingdom of life. Viruses can infect fungal spores but viruses themselves don’t produce them. The virion itself is the reproductive unit. Fungi have DNA as the main genetic material, coronavirus has RNA.
Was there any more contex for this? It sounds like something that someone has misheard / misinterpreted. It’s possible that the virus is more persistent on surfaces than others. It’s possible that it’s exuded in sweat (I think hep b can be? I’d need to check that...)
It’s no surprise that it can transmit via aerosol, I think sars and MERS could too. It goes without saying that putting a load of people together in converted school halls and gyms is a really stupid idea

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

About the biological weapon debate. I think the best argument for it being a biological weapon/invention is the Chinese response.
Authoritarian regimes are infamous in how long it takes to them to react to internal events (unless they can be used to promote themselves), the news has to travel upwards through the government, where each level will try to cover its ass first. However in China there was near-immediate strong action well before the real threat was revealed. So either the initial numbers were massively lowered to ones we only see today, or the Chinese knew beforehand what their fuck-up entails and had to react.

 

[HonsPonzud]

So this is why they were spraying?

I mean how do you even protect from this? outside of gas masks? and literally spraying yourself down before/after you go out somewhere with whatever kills it.

I feel like this doesn't help soothe people at all. How long does it 'stay alive' in those particles? Obviously it's coming from people coughing and sneezing it out but what's the shelf life of this thing once that's happened? It is short and it's so massive in China because it's so crowded? or is it long enough to be concerning?

It has to be airborne anyway because it's not like all the supposedly infected were sticking their face extremely close to someone who was sick so as to get a full blast of droplets when they coughed or sneezed.

Kind of knew and had suspicions there was something more to it if NORTH FUCKING KOREA was emulating the same kind of weird disinfection scheme, they are not taking "pride" of imitating another country's behavior even if it's a "sister" country like south korea or china.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

So this is why they were spraying?

I mean how do you even protect from this? outside of gas masks? and literally spraying yourself down before/after you go out somewhere with whatever kills it.

I feel like this doesn't help soothe people at all. How long does it 'stay alive' in those particles? Obviously it's coming from people coughing and sneezing it out but what's the shelf life of this thing once that's happened? It is short and it's so massive in China because it's so crowded? or is it long enough to be concerning?

It has to be airborne anyway because it's not like all the supposedly infected were sticking their face extremely close to someone who was sick so as to get a full blast of droplets when they coughed or sneezed.

I think a huge part of the problem is the personal space issue. Americans and Europeans need to have a lot more personal space to feel comfortable than Asians. Asians are completely comfortable being crammed together in very little space. If you think of it as a spectrum, it goes: Americans, Europeans, Africans, Indians, Asians. It's a lot easier to transmit a virus when the population is literally breathing directly on each other.

 

[Bioniclelover]

Ok, first bats and now pangolins - what disgusting animal food will they blame as the source of the virus next?

 

[HonsPonzud]

Can a virus even do this, or is this just another LARP?

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Saw this one on 4chan but it was kind of suspicious, and you can catch these rashes by just wearing a plastic / latex / hazmat suit for way too long, you can get irritations / bruises from sweating under it and not really letting your skin breathe for extended periods. Some of these medical personnel just work multiple days without removing their masks / google and clothes / suits.

 

[Sanshain]

Can a virus even do this, or is this just another LARP?

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I'm absolutely not a doctor or biologist, but no, it definitely can't do that. Viruses and spore are two completely different forms of life. It's like saying that if a spider bites you, it'll inject you with venom that makes you grow elephant ovaries and start pooping out tiny seagulls.

 

[murgatroid]

If anyone wants to freak themselves out about how close the human race is to destruction from deadly pathogens I recommend reading "The Hot Zone".

 

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Authoritarian regimes are infamous in how long it takes to them to react to internal events (unless they can be used to promote themselves), the news has to travel upwards through the government, where each level will try to cover its ass first. However in China there was near-immediate strong action well before the real threat was revealed. So either the initial numbers were massively lowered to ones we only see today, or the Chinese knew beforehand what their fuck-up entails and had to react.

This is such a funny post.

You start by repeating a canard about 'authoritarian regimes'. Sure.. because democracies are super great at responding to crises, that's why Singapore- which is closer to China as far as governance than say, Australia- responded first and fast by closing off travel from China.

Then you come up with a theory based on that canard that 'proves' that China must have made the virus as a bioweapon.

When in fact the rapid response of the Chinese government proves that their authoritarian system is better at responding to crisis.

 

[Otterly]

Some of these medical personnel just work multiple days without removing their masks / google and clothes / suits.

When I first started using gloves daily, all day at work, after a week or two my hands were an absolute state. You get a bit more used to it eventually but still, all day in gloves is not great for your skin. Add in alcohol based steps for disinfection and it’s unpleasant.
The masks eventually give you sores where they hit your face - mine was a proper half face respirator (not a disposable ) and it always left me with huge marks. God alone knows how awful it must be to work extended periods in full body gear. I’ve never done it for more than an hour or two, you must sweat like a bastard and dehydrate fast.
It’s no wonder the docs on the front line are dropping, I feel incredibly sorry for them.

 

[not william stenchever]

If you were able to make a virus produce a fungus which produces the virus, please show us how you did that.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

When in fact the rapid response of the Chinese government proves that their authoritarian system is better at responding to crisis.

And the stupid incompetence of that response proves that their medical and political systems are flimsy and controlled by fools.

 

[Otterly]

When in fact the rapid response of the Chinese government proves that their authoritarian system is better at responding to crisis.

They have responded poorly. They are bringing people into large areas like converted sports halls when those people may or may not be infected. That means almost all of them WILL be infected. They should be telling people to stay home and to call a number if they become seriously unwell past x point. They should setting up field based units for those who are really sick and observing proper quarantine. It’s good they’ve cut off roads and air (to a point, supplies still need to get in) but they’ve isolated the city but set up conditions for huge amplification within that zone. Since no quarantine is perfect, this will get out of Wuhan and it will hit elsewhere. The death toll in Wuhan is going to rise significantly. 41% of cases in that case series paper were thought to be hospital transmitted.
Their response is terrible, and it will kill a lot of people. It also runs the risk of selecting for a more virulent form of virus

 

[Shaka Brah]

So this is why they were spraying?

I mean how do you even protect from this? outside of gas masks? and literally spraying yourself down before/after you go out somewhere with whatever kills it.

I feel like this doesn't help soothe people at all. How long does it 'stay alive' in those particles? Obviously it's coming from people coughing and sneezing it out but what's the shelf life of this thing once that's happened? It is short and it's so massive in China because it's so crowded? or is it long enough to be concerning?

It has to be airborne anyway because it's not like all the supposedly infected were sticking their face extremely close to someone who was sick so as to get a full blast of droplets when they coughed or sneezed.

Depending on what they're spraying they might make it worse. Vapor in the air will hurt people susceptible to pneumonia.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Can a virus even do this, or is this just another LARP?

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Doesn't seem like LARPing, but its certainly someone fucking up. Second anon clearly just clmpletely misunderstood what the virus being airborne meant and went off on the wrong conclusion. Viri can't do that. As for the rash, some viri can cause rashes, much like literally every other kind of pathogen can. Hell rashes are common for allergic reactions and as many hve pointed out here for your first times using any kind of plastic protective clothing for long periods of time. But coronavirus hasn't been confirmed to cause rashes, so either it's a mutant strain or its just the plastic, and I'm willikg to bet the second.

About the biological weapon debate. I think the best argument for it being a biological weapon/invention is the Chinese response.
Authoritarian regimes are infamous in how long it takes to them to react to internal events (unless they can be used to promote themselves), the news has to travel upwards through the government, where each level will try to cover its ass first. However in China there was near-immediate strong action well before the real threat was revealed. So either the initial numbers were massively lowered to ones we only see today, or the Chinese knew beforehand what their fuck-up entails and had to react.

As I keep pointing out those chink fucks were jailing whistleblowers and censoring social media for literal months before they did fuck all. I wouldn't call that quick at all. If I had a month to respond to an outbreak I'd have done a much better job and I'm mentally challenged so I'd say the hypothesis is wrong. Also love Winnie de Flu's personal dick massagist using this chance to chime in. Really puts into perspective how starved for arguments the CCP is. Fuckers getring desperate. Get ready @Null you might just get a message from the commies trying to stop the farms.

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Depending on what they're spraying they might make it worse. Vapor in the air will hurt people susceptible to pneumonia.

To put this into perspective. I know of a person that spent months going to the doctor because of a horrid ear issue. The doctor kept giving him stronger antibiotics but nothing worked. Then he got a new doctor one day because the prior one got sick. New doctor immediately checked him and proclaimed "of course this doesn't go with antibiotics. It's a fucking fungus!" And gave him antifungal. That fixed that. The important part is: later assessing his symptoms and the fungus he had it was determined that in fact he was suffering much harder symptoms than he should. The reason why became apparent. The antibiotics both kept the fungus fed and elliminated the competition, the first doctor had made things much worse. Moral of the story: depending on what they're spraying it can in fact make things exponentially worse. But I doubt it will, because they're mostly spraying roads, which is stupid, because unless someone's licking the asphalt that just isn't even an area you'd need to sterilize to begin with, you god damned batmunchers.

 

[Computer Boy]

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“BREAKING: Epicenter of coronavirus outbreak reports 2,618 new cases and 91 new deaths https://t.co/eUoE2b20hL”

twitter.com

 

[Tasty Tatty]

The fact we have to fucking guess what they are spraying is terrifying. They know way more than what they are saying and not sharing because they want to save face.

"Guys, if we spray disinfectant, we can help reduce the spread of the virus. Chemical B seems to work well"
"Well, thank you, China, we'll use Chemical B in our airports and deprived areas so we can reduce the chances of an outbreak!".

That's it. That's all they need to say.

Every reliable info we actually have is because people all over the world is making researches independently because we're racing against the clock. And yes, I'm sure they would share any solution with China if they need one. They wouldn't do that with us.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Can a virus even do this, or is this just another LARP?

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They're turning into orks?