Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

Glad I couldn't help said:
Haven't been following the man for a while, so this comes a shock. I mean, I think it was clear he was a down slope after the release of 12 Rules and the debate, but I didn't think would get that bad. Although I guess after reading his introduction in Maps of Meaning, maybe not that surprising.

I think this is going to be end of his career as a public figure, even if he recovers. Part of his appeal was being a strong moral figure in an amoral age, and his trails only weaken that appeal. He's hated by the media and so will not be given any chances for redemption. He's going to be remembered a minor figure of the late 2010's.
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I think he could survive this from a moral stance, getting addicted to prescription drugs isn't like getting caught with a gay hooker.
The real story here is it was always likely to end this way. I have no idea why he decided to go on such an aggressively expansive world tour for such a long time,knowing his own mental inconsistencies and problems. It's like Jesus Christ how much money is enough? Tickets for the Zizek debate were like $200 each, and he was clearly stretched too thin even then.
 
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Spatula said:
So far, he has lost all credibility.
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That's right. If you're a public figure, a pubic speaker, and especially if you're a doctor, you can't have any flaws or weaknesses. And you especially can't be an addict, because addicts are morally deficient, bad people. Perfection or nothing.

Peterson is a leftie, so I disagree with him on plenty. But his messages are just as credible as they were when he said "no" to troons, called out the evils of communism and other ultra-leftie extremist bullshit, and tried to give young people some meaningful direction to move in as they all slowly drown in nihilistic, post-scarcity, post-religion Western apathy and the identity politics morass.

Why is any of that is threatening to anyone who isn't pushing for childhood dick-chops, gynotopia, or a Western caliphate? I just don't get it. You can have no use for the guy, but why be pissed off at him? Because he's selling some books? What are you guys, commies?
 
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frozenrunner said:
What are you guys, commies?
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Nah, I'm racist AF so he hates me, and I'm an ancap so I'll cut his next batch of xanies with some fetty wapp. Soon enough he'll back in that make up being a pretty princess for a fix.

Seriously tho, you had a fair enough reply to someone till you pulled that dumb shit last line.
 
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Spatula said:
I used to respect the guy, until this highly educated professor who was a voice of reason fell for his antivaxxer daughters alternative medicine, carni nonsense.
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See that is another crux point, as I said. I don't have a hate boner for the dude, but this is a perfect example of a red flag he did this stuff.

Now some people just have different GI's and only X sits well with them, ok he's never mentioned that so the carni diet isn't that. If he's a real strong man and good parent, he would know adult or not he's not going to support his daughters poor choice. Much like I won't pick up smoking if Mrs. Bass does.

He claims he used to be into lifting, I've seen pictures of younger, he looked fit so I don't doubt it. Everyone into exercise learns diet as well, so he should know better. Either he's cucking to his own female child to play along with her unhealthy life style (that could be a few angles non of them good) or he's just pushing her grift for that chedda.

Also, just because someone is educated etc, doesn't mean they can't be foolish in some respects. Keto is in, now so double down on it. I'm sure he and his girl (who left her husband for a YTer) aren't the only one chewing a pork chop 3 meals a day.
 
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frozenrunner said:
That's right. If you're a public figure, a pubic speaker, and especially if you're a doctor, you can't have any flaws or weaknesses. And you especially can't be an addict, because addicts are morally deficient, bad people. Perfection or nothing.

Peterson is a leftie, so I disagree with him on plenty. But his messages are just as credible as they were when he said "no" to troons, called out the evils of communism and other ultra-leftie extremist bullshit, and tried to give young people some meaningful direction to move in as they all slowly drown in nihilistic, post-scarcity, post-religion Western apathy and the identity politics morass.

Why is any of that is threatening to anyone who isn't pushing for childhood dick-chops, gynotopia, or a Western caliphate? I just don't get it. You can have no use for the guy, but why be pissed off at him? Because he's selling some books? What are you guys, commies?
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Peterson makes his fair share of good points but his pop culture saturation is annoying. Dude is treated like The Beatles or something including the fan merch, the "sassy" gifs, the hero worship, the faggy fanboyism etc. Peterson himself isn't anything special, he's a professor in white tower university academia, which means he has interesting ideas but he makes a living by coaching it in the most absurdly obscure terms possible. He didn't do much to catapult himself to fame, tranny fags did that for him.

People dunk on Peterson because he's annoying, and his fanboys are annoying. The "Peterson OWNS reeeetarded feminist!!!" Youtube vids are just a descendant of "athiest OWNS reeeeetarded right wing christian" from the fedora Atheist days. People got tired of those fast and people got tired of this fast. Peterson supposedly gave people "a new direction" but the fact is that it's too soon to see if his efforts have born any fruit. It takes literal years before the effects of positive change can be seen. Many of the people who claimed their lives were changed by Jordan Peterson have already fallen back into their slovenly mediocre directionless ways.

That's not a knock on Peterson, I think he had some good points too. But it does make the point that Peterson himself is not that different from self-help gurus on Instagram. The only thing he was missing were the "detox" laxative smoothies that would supposedly help you lose 10 pounds in a week. And then his idiot daughter pushed him onto the carnivore diet grifter train which put him on level with IG dieters.

So yeah, people will take the chance to shit on Peterson. He's annoying, he's got a tale as old as time with the self-defeating self help circle of life, and if you had an unemployed guy aged 18-35 in your life then chances are he bought a JP poster and the tshirt and whined at you about whether you had cleaned up your room or not.
 
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Steamboat_Bill said:
So, wait... what exactly is going on? Why did he go to Russia? Did he want a taste of socialized medicine, like back home?

I can only wonder how much of this is true. Can we trust his daughter on this?
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My guess:

Jordan Peterson was suffering greatly trying to break through the wall of addiction and benzo dependence which I hear is one of the worst detoxes you can go through even at a nice of a facility as he probably was. While he was struggling with addict brain, he saw that there might be an easy way out, a full detox in an induced coma to get you through nearly all of the awful physical detox symptoms and a good bit of the mental ones too.

Of course this was a risky procedure in Russia of all places where they are much more cavalier with human life and are willing to put people under for days or weeks at a time with real no medical necessity, but people don't think rationally when they are going through detox and/or have addict brain.

Instead of giving her dad a pep-talk about this being his cross to bear, this eventually being over with him as the victor if he could just hang on, and becoming a more complete man after going through this (all accurate and helpful takes) and helping him for a few months, the pseudoscientific grifter/true believer thought it would be easier that way/quite fashionable and enabled the addict. She thinks to herself, 'The east is so cool; I could stick it to the wrongheaded western health industry.'

So they go to Russia, and this is the result - an unsafe and incomplete recovery that he doesn't even learn the proper lessons to help treat his patients (and fans) from. It's entirely possible he will recover. The human body and mind are incredibly resilient and he is probably getting used to his normal brain chemistry again, but that's a long time to be under.
 
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isnt this guys entire family plagued by catastrophic health issues
like i think his daughter had some super brutal auto immune disease for all her life that got close to killing her multiple times, his wife has cancer, now he himself is on hard drugs
dude can't seem to catch a break, i actually feel bad for him even though the videos i watched of him seemed like pretentious nonsense to me
 
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Something that I've been seeing pop up, and It obviously can't be verified, but just overall petersons family at this point has a very very spotty history of Health situations. They seem to be full of "Rare Reactions" And "Unconventional cures".

Of course you can't know, maybe they are just unlucky. but there is so many health oddities relating to just him and his daughter. It makes me wonder if they are co enablers for some kind of weird outlook on healthcare.
 
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Didn't this already happen?
So he's back in rehab again?

Imagine my shock, a psychologist has issues of his own. It's not like they all go into the field to sort their own shit out or anything.

In all seriousness, benzos are a fucking difficult one and depending on just how badly you needed them in the first place and how regularly (especially Valium) - tolerance goes up quicker than you could ever imagine.

A white can knock you out when you first take it, then the next month or two and you could be taking two blues with no effect. They're insanely helpful but terrifying little things.

Good luck, Daddy Peterson
 
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pwnest injun said:
Peterson's analysis is decent, but he has a lot of repressed rage that he should attend to.
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Can you expand on that? I'm not super well versed in him, I see frustration, but rage isn't the word I'd use.
 
Glad I couldn't help said:
He's hated by the media and so will not be given any chances for redemption
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He's NOT hated by media, he gets invited to an incredible number of tv programs. It's better to think of him like a heel in pro wrestling. He plays the villain in left wing programs in a way they like, safe for that one kathy newman interview. He's been on more feminist leaning programs than anything else.

If they'd hate him, they'd ignore him.
 
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My sincerest wishes are with Professor PeckerPolish at this trying time.

On a serious note, it's interesting that they took every part of his daughter's video as gospel for the article except for the part where she emphasized that the issue was that he had developed a severe physical dependence on them rather than a run of the mill addiction, just seems a bit inconsistent.
 
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BlancoMailo said:
On a serious note, it's interesting that they took every part of his daughter's video as gospel for the article except for the part where she emphasized that the issue was that he had developed a severe physical dependence on them rather than a run of the mill addiction, just seems a bit inconsistent.
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It's already established that Mikaela is an idiot and she has no idea what she's talking about. Nobody ever should listen to what she says especially her father.
 
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Hmmm....NO successful treatment available in North America? ONLY in Russia? You've GOT to be shitting me. What are they going to do, force-feed him vodka instead? It's usually the other way around. At any rate, have no idea who this guy is and no fucks given.
 
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