Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Bunny Tracks]

All right, let's look at something ugly. Something that Hollywood touches upon, rarely, but it still there.

Corona-Chan is dancing in two nuclear armed nations who don't care about the rest of the world's opinions about them beyond their reputation for ruthlessness, efficiency, and "The Right Side of History" where the Party rules over everything.

There is a... final solution, so to speak. It's in the doctrine. It's not a good part of the doctrine, but it's there.

If it was any Western Nation I'd say there's no way it could happen, but we aren't talking about Western Nations, we aren't even talking about modern nations. We're talking about fucking savages armed with modern weaponry.

The Norks, as we all know, place less value on human life than a troon does on women's feelings.
The Pollution Goblins, as we've seen, only value a human life as far as it can assemble some bearded faggot hipster's new iPhone.

Both nations would do ANYTHING to look strong, to look as if they've got what it takes to control the situation. Anything to prove they aren't weak.

And they both have nuclear weapons. Well, probably early implosion style ones for the Norks, but Clinton basically let the Pollution Goblins wheel state of art Made in the USA thermonuclear rounds out of Los Alamos and put them in the trunks of cars.

Under any other circumstances, detonating a nuclear weapon would cause the entire WORLD to freak the fuck out.

But if Corona-Chan is having herself a good ol' time in big enough cities?
If the leaders of Pollution Goblin Hives and the Nork Nests panic?

Well, there's always one option to control a major outbreak of a dangerous disease in a city that has enough people to break a military cordon and spread it across the entire country as they flee the diseased hive.

A nuclear detonation.

We've watched China make every goddamn move straight out of a movie or novel, so why not go for the Second Act escalation?

If there's two nations who would use nuclear weapons on their own populace to control an outbreak, it's the Norks and the Pollution Goblins.

It could get interesting.

I highly doubt it would ever come to that.

Nuking one's own citizens just to destroy the infected would cause immense worldwide panic. I can't stress this enough. All social order would immediately go out the window, and we'd be seeing society soon turning into something from The Walking Dead. Hell, if the Chinks, and the Norks were crazy/desperate enough to use nukes, people probably would think it was zombies, and that the Coronavirus causes them.

I know we've seen China escalate things like they're following a script from some sort of apocalypse movie, but as dumb, and ruthless as they are, I don't think they'd nuke their own citizens over just the Coronavirus. Same goes for North Korea.

You don't start using nukes, especially on your own people, unless there is literally nothing left you can do, and all hell has broken loose.

 

[Not Really Here]

How long until China's economy(and shortly after the world economy) collapses?

 

[kūhaku]

Anyone want to take a bet? Will the virus mutate into a much higher fatality rate, or will it be eradicated before that can happen? My money is on mutation.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

I had to look Mindray up to see which country it belonged to. It's Chinese.

Nobody should be donating anything to the Chinese at this point. Save it for yourself. The Chinese seem to have fucked this up before they bothered to tell anyone else what was happening.

The masks on UK Amazon were sold out by the time the press here started circulating the story. Doubtless Chinese here were doing the usual daigou shit or ordering for family on the mainland and bought the lor out. Masks aren't a super high in-demand item here ordinarily and still aren't generally, seen nobody wearing them around here. I believe stuff sent into China via post is getting swiped anyway and not reaching its intended recipient. The WHO will probably spend any money on bribes, junkets and meetings wth some resting in Tedro's Swiss accounts, so fuck them too.

Also, virus does not thrive in heat/humidity, prefer cold, like normal flu virus. UV from sun may kill it.

Coronavirus: Turn off air-conditioners and open windows to reduce risk of being infected, say experts

SINGAPORE - On top of washing their hands and disinfecting surfaces, people need to switch off the air-conditioner, turn on the fan and get fresh air to reduce the chances of getting infected by the novel coronavirus.. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

SINGAPORE - On top of washing their hands and disinfecting surfaces, people need to switch off the air-conditioner, turn on the fan and get fresh air to reduce the chances of getting infected by the novel coronavirus.


The reason is that while many unknowns remain about the virus, earlier studies have shown that viruses thrive better in cool, dry climates.


That would make tropical Singapore, with its hot and tropical weather, less conducive for the virus to thrive.


This "good news" for Singapore was delivered on Monday (Feb 10) by the Ministry of Health's (MOH) chief health scientist, Professor Tan Chorh Chuan, at a press conference.


"The likelihood of viral persistence outdoors is lower," he said, as he noted the prevalent use of air-conditioning in Singapore.


Prof Tan was one of eight infectious disease experts in Singapore present at the press conference to brief the media on what is being done to fight the virus, or 2019-nCoV, on both the science and health fronts.






He said plenty of research had been done into how long viruses persist on surfaces following the outbreak of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) in 2003.



"Most of the studies indicate they don't persist well in hot, humid environments," he added. "Hot and humid meaning over 30 deg C, and with humidity levels of over 80 per cent."


The virus that caused Sars is in the same family as the coronavirus which originated in Wuhan and has spread globally.


The virus is spreading in Singapore, with 45 cases so far.




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Associate Professor Hsu Li Yang, programme leader of infectious diseases at the National University of Singapore (NUS) Saw Swee Hock School, said: "Air-conditioning is something that can't be helped in Singapore, especially during the hot months.


"But enclosed spaces, where it is less humid and cooler, could help to spread respiratory diseases."


Experts suggest that another way to reduce the spread of diseases is to keep windows and doors open to ventilate the rooms.


The World Health Organisation, in a document outlining how to prevent the coronavirus from infecting people, said suspected cases should be kept in well-ventilated rooms.


Professor Wang Linfa, director for the programme in emerging infectious diseases at the Duke-NUS Medical School, said ultra-violet rays and heat from the sun could kill the virus.


"If you can stay under the sun for a while, it would be good," he added. "Vitamin D can also boost the immune system."


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Di sinfecting surfaces could also prevent the virus from infecting people.


Public transport operators SBS Transit and SMRT had said last month (Jan 30) that they are stepping up cleaning efforts for their premises and vehicles.


The Health Ministry has said that for the general public, the risk of infection from transient contact, such as on public transport and in public places, is assessed to be low.

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[Bum Driller]

How long until China's economy(and shortly after the world economy) collapses?

Very fucking unlikely that the current situation could cause that. How old are you people? Do you have any idea how societies function? Chinese, nor the world economy just can't collapse to a disease that has thus far killed a handful of people.

China may experience severe internal unrest because of this, but not a total collapse.

 

[indio solari]

Very fucking unlikely that the current situation could cause that. How old are you people? Do you have any idea how societies function? Chinese, nor the world economy just can't collapse to a disease that has thus far killed a handful of people.

China may experience severe internal unrest because of this, but not a total collapse.

This is like thinking the SARS outbreak caused the 07 housing crisis.

 

[Not Really Here]

Very fucking unlikely that the current situation could cause that. How old are you people? Do you have any idea how societies function? Chinese, nor the world economy just can't collapse to a disease that has thus far killed a handful of people.

China may experience severe internal unrest because of this, but not a total collapse.

So you don't know that the quarantine has shut down the country or the government has already had to inject $200 billion into the economy to stabilize it?
That "China may experience severe internal unrest because of this " would shut down the cheap Chinese production and export that a large portion of the global economy relies on.


But I'm sure I have no idea "how societies function"....

 

[Bum Driller]

So you don't know that the quarantine has shut down the country or the government has already had to inject $200 billion into the economy to stabilize it?
That "China may experience severe internal unrest because of this " would shut down the cheap Chinese production and export that a large portion of the global economy relies on.


But I'm sure I have no idea "how societies function"....

Of course I know those things, except that it's quite far-fetched to say that China as a whole is "shut down". Also, 200 billion is pocket money for an entity like China.

Even if China would collapse in to total civil war, which seems quite impossible, would probably not collapse the world economy. It would have an effect, but calling it some kind of collapse would be hyperbolic.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

How long until China's economy(and shortly after the world economy) collapses?

I think China's economy is pretty fucked, it will take some months for their manufacturing lines to continue. It's unlikely that businesses will outright leave, but they'll likely diverge supply lines to have some redundancies in the future, which will be painful economically.
The big fear is if it will burst other bubbles like Hollywood/media (less chink ticket sales) or housing (chinks will sell their property in the west).

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I just noticed this on the USPS website:

Alert: USPS will be temporarily suspending the guarantee on Priority Mail Express International destined for China
and Hong Kong, effective Monday, Feb. 10, 2020, due to widespread airline cancellations and restrictions into this area.

Oh dear, looks like China is sort-of shut down.

 

[Otterly]

The biggest long term effect in the economy may well be lack of confidence. China has done very well at projecting an image abroad, and this event is showing the world that the image and the reality do not align. That will no doubt affect future investment and it’s probably driving this bizarre and heavy handed response, as China seeks to project an image of strength.
Hopefully it’s a kick up the arse for countries generally to have stronger supply webs, rather than single lines of supply in cheaper areas. Big companies will probably make the call as to whether to shift a proportion of production on how long this goes on. At some point the balance will tip to move supply and production elsewhere...and in future maybe the C suite will listen to their underlings telling them to diversify even if it’s more expensive up front - a food web is always stronger than a food chain.
Total societal collapse sounds dramatic. Strain on the NHS, leading to excess deaths is a possibility, as it is every time there’s a bad winter season for flu.

 

[Behavioral Sink]

I had to look Mindray up to see which country it belonged to. It's Chinese.

Nobody should be donating anything to the Chinese at this point. Save it for yourself. The Chinese seem to have fucked this up before they bothered to tell anyone else what was happening.

I think "donated" is a euphemism. They were probably volun-told.

 

[Home Again]

Expect even lower official stats for corona-chan. Asymptomatic carriers who test positive are no longer being tallied. Japan is doing the same.

Alex Lam 林偉聰 on Twitter

“Chinese National Health Commission has changed their definition of #WuhanCoronavirus "confirmed case" in their latest guidelines dated 7/2. Patients tested positive for the virus but have no symptoms will no longer be regarded as confirmed. This inevitably will lower the numbers.”

twitter.com

 

[MechanicusAdmin]

Coronavirus: GP surgery in Brighton shut down after staff member tests positive

The County Oak Medical Centre has been closed by the NHS on the same day it emerged that four people in Brighton, including a doctor, had contracted coronavirus

A GP practice has been forced to close after a staff member tested positive for coronavirus, it is reported.

The County Oak Medical Centre in Brighton has been closed by the NHS in the latest scare to hit the East Sussex city.


Earlier today, it emerged that four people in Brighton, including a doctor, had caught the flu-like illness during a recent trip to France, doubling the total number of UK cases to eight.

Those four cases are linked to a middle-aged Brighton man - dubbed a "super spreader" - who caught the potentially deadly bug while attending a business conference in Singapore between January 20 and 23.

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The infected man then stayed at a ski chalet in Les Contamines-Montjoie in the French Alps - where the virus was passed on to at least 11 others - between January 24 and 28, the day he returned to the UK on an easyJet flight from Geneva.


Health officials are now urgently trying to trace and warn people who had contact with the infected Britons, including people who attended the GP surgery in Brighton and travellers on the flight from Geneva on January 28.

A staff member at the County Oak Medical Centre, located near to a primary school, was among the latest to be diagnosed with coronavirus, the BBC reported.

A GP at the County Oak Medical Centre has tested positive for coronavirus
Callers are greeted with a voice recording saying: "Unfortunately the building has had to close due to an urgent operational health and safety reason."

They are advised to call NHS 111 if they have any concerns.

A note hanging in a window reads "Closed due to operational difficulties".

The "super spreader" who caught the flu-like bug in Singapore has now been linked to at least 11 other Britons who have tested positive.

They all had contact with the man in the French ski resort.


Of the 11, four adults and a nine-year-old boy were confirmed to be carriers on Saturday following tests in France, where they were being treated in hospital.

A person who had since returned to the UK was in isolation at the Royal Free Hospital in London after their case was confirmed on Sunday.

A British dad who lives in Majorca was in hospital on the Spanish island after testing positive there following a trip to France.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

The infected man then stayed at a ski chalet in Les Contamines-Montjoie in the French Alps

God has a sense of humor. Sending a contaminated man to "Les Contamines".

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

How does not counting asymptomatic but still contagious carriers as "confirmed" help anyone?

 

[Tasty Tatty]

France should definitely close their borders now.

A Peruvian student from Hong Kong landed on Peru last night presenting symptoms. They did a stop in France first.


Also, the student has been isolated. But not the rest of passengers.

It's been nice to meet you guys.

 

[indio solari]

France should definitely close their borders now.

A Peruvian student from Hong Kong landed on Peru last night presenting symptoms. They did a stop in France first.


Also, the student has been isolated. But not the rest of passengers.

It's been nice to meet you guys.

You'd think that with years of training by eating pidgeons the peruvians would have a stronger immune system

 

[AnotherPleb]

I think China's economy is pretty fucked, it will take some months for their manufacturing lines to continue. It's unlikely that businesses will outright leave, but they'll likely diverge supply lines to have some redundancies in the future, which will be painful economically.
The big fear is if it will burst other bubbles like Hollywood/media (less chink ticket sales) or housing (chinks will sell their property in the west).

Hollywood uses China partly to mask their numbers already, though I could see places like Vancouver and Seattle getting absolutely fucked in a few weeks from now should this continue.

 

[lottalove]

How does not counting asymptomatic but still contagious carriers as "confirmed" help anyone?

WTF really. Weren't we told by some sources, that they didn't even test people in Wuhan before they quasi sunk onto their deathbed before their eyes? That people with weeklong symptoms had been sent home anyway and thus not being counted as "confirmed"? I think Chen Quishi reported these things before being put away/stripped of his electronic devices. - But go on governments, make the big mess even messier.

Our statistics (JHU-map) concerning China only shows the daily output-capacity of chinese labs testing for the virus, is my idea. And whatever ressources are available. No straws to even grasp at here.
Its all a big bullshittery.