Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Jordan Peterson is Canadian.

When did Russia lift the travel ban on Canadians?

 

[Freedom Fries]

Quacks like Jordan Peterson and many of his followers often say that depression and other mental illness that you can't physically see is just someone faking it. They just assume its a millenial "snowflake" pretending to be depressed to get attention. Typical of small minded people to assume that just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it's not there, just like how you cant see gravity.
They assume that all of the millions of psychiatrists are all conspiring to sell antidepressants to people to make money. Now, obviously some of these conspiracies are real like the Sackler opioid scheme. However, the science behind depression and anxiety is sound. Depression is real and so is anxiety.

You've already sorta back down and apologized for this, but I think it's worth reinforcing the fact that regular exercise has been clinically proven to be about as effective as most SSRIs and SNRIs for most people and living in a clean environment is a positive life change that also clinically provably helps with depression and host of other psychological conditions. Most psychologists will recommend both that and drugs but only really have the power to get you to take the drugs. It was my understanding that in more acute cases doctors would typically prescribe the meds and have you do psychotherapy to get you to make the life changes. Presumably using the drugs could help get someone over the hump, out of bed, and forming those healthy habits.

While she’s facing dying of cancer

She's been in remission since well before the rehab saga. I don't know why I have to keep saying this.

Does this kill Peterson's career entirely?

No. Americans love a comeback story, and he will have a whole new area of content that a lot of Americans will be able to resonate with. He'd do fine coming back if he manages to get his shit together.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

She's been in remission since well before the rehab saga. I don't know why I have to keep saying this.
if he manages to get his shit together.

I made the mistake of believing the daughter stating her mother had “terminal cancer diagnosis” when listing excuses for dad. People with terminal cancer die, they don’t go into remission. I stupidly assumed the daughter was being honest instead exaggerating.

 

[Unog]

Exactly! Peterson's a lolcow but him not liking the vocaroos of copypasta we figuratively made him read isn't even in the top 10 reasons why. It's the dumbest thing to be upset with him over.

Hard disagree. It was widely publicly known almost as soon as the funny videos and recordings started that it was a TTS program modeled after Peterson's voice. The self-styled free speech advocate getting people banned/blocked, and throwing a massive tantrum because some jackass made a suped-up soundboard of him is both hypocritical and smacks of the same kind of infantilism he rails against.

If he weren't a faggot he'd have just went with it since it would've practically given him a "get out of jail free card x ∞" for anything he said.

When did Russia lift the travel ban on Canadians?

I wasn't aware there was one.

 

[verissimus]

Aww. Who's going to step up to be the substitute Internet daddy for all the losers now?

A certain wannabe smug-chuckling failed British politician, that's who.

Now that I think about it, should we add one more to the tally of people and things Carl of Applebees has reaped?

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

I wasn't aware there was one.

Just looked it up, I guess Putin never instigated it. It was going to put in place because of something Trudeau did. Glad there's still free travel there. Lots of idiots like going there because everything is so cheap. Though I don't get going there for healthcare.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

I'll be criticized for this, but I would not go to Russia. It seems like a poor choice for an American, a very dangerous one. You'd have to be extremely brave or desperate to go. Putin is very dangerous and Russia's reputation proceeds itself.

Yeah Putin himself will visit Pordan Jeterson in his drug rehab and inject him with Novichok or whatever you think he does. What the fuck are you even talking about.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

There’s an experimental treatment for depression that involves being put into an induced coma. Sometimes it is hyperbolically described as “induced death” or “flatlining,” but that’s not technically accurate. Some doctors in the US have been doing it but perhaps JP decided to not to shit where he eats and tried it in Russia. The mommyblogger Heather Armstrong (AKA Dooce) did this, wrote a book about how it “cured” her, and is now more batshit than ever.

I have heard from several friends who’ve kicked both benzos and heroin that it was harder to get off benzos, but going into a coma to do so is OTT.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

Just looked it up, I guess Putin never instigated it. It was going to put in place because of something Trudeau did. Glad there's still free travel there. Lots of idiots like going there because everything is so cheap. Though I don't get going there for healthcare.

The Petersons clearly have a boner for Russia. Mikhaila was named after Mikhail Gorbachev, and she married and had a kid with a Russian dude. (It looks like he's accompanied Jordan and Mikhaila on the trip to help navigate Moscow.) So anyway, I guess that boner extends to Russian detoxing methods. Who knows.

Their family seems weirdly chaotic, always teetering on the brink of disaster. It's either shit luck or a bit of attention-seeking melodrama.

And if Dooce is the poster child for this coma treatment, fuck no. She's an emotionally manipulative monster.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Placing someone into a medically induced coma to treat their drug addiction seems like a terrible idea. Sure, it might make the task of tackling the physical symptoms less emotionally distressing for the patient, but it's not going to help with anything else, and the significant risks surely make the gamble not worth it?

It's probably too early to say if this experiment has paid off, but his daughter's statement doesn't make his situation sound good at all.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

Placing someone into a medically induced coma to treat their drug addiction seems like a terrible idea. Sure, it might make the task of tackling the physical symptoms less emotionally distressing for the patient, but it's not going to help with anything else, and the significant risks surely make the gamble not worth it?

Mikhaila fervently claims that Daddy is only "physically addicted." Mhm.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

And if Dooce is the poster child for this coma treatment, fuck no. She's an emotionally manipulative monster.

Yeah, I’ve toyed over the years with the idea of making a thread for her but the scope of a 20-year OP of insanity is daunting.

Look, if recovering from an addiction was as easy as just detoxing, that’s all that would be required. The physical detox is just one part of it. Jordan’s fucked if he’s under the delusion that he’s now cured just because he’s not in withdrawal. I REALLY hope his daughter’s statement is just her trying to save face and is not representative of his perspective on it. He knows better, but knowledge is zero defense against the motherfucker that is addiction.

 

[Ol' Slag]

As a former drunk and person who has been addicted to various other substances the idea of a medically induced coma fucking boggles my mind.

When you do the work to get clean, the physical detox is only a small part of the process. Deep contemplation, building a new relationship with a spiritual entity (if that's your thing), discussing underlying issues are the real foundation to keeping clean.

For all his bluster, this guy essentially took the easy way out and used a real life cheat code to beat addiction.

 

[The best and greatest]

Benzos are about the only thing she isn't on, so it's hardly out of character.
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Literally the only one that truly stumps me is the Antiandrogen. Wut for?

 

[murgatroid]

I made the mistake of believing the daughter stating her mother had “terminal cancer diagnosis” when listing excuses for dad. People with terminal cancer die, they don’t go into remission. I stupidly assumed the daughter was being honest instead exaggerating.

It's possible to make a miraculous recovery after receiving a terminal cancer diagnosis from doctors.

Though I don't know enough about the Peterson family to say whether that was the case or if it was hyperbole.

The Petersons clearly have a boner for Russia. Mikhaila was named after Mikhail Gorbachev, and she married and had a kid with a Russian dude. (It looks like he's accompanied Jordan and Mikhaila on the trip to help navigate Moscow.) So anyway, I guess that boner extends to Russian detoxing methods. Who knows.

Their family seems weirdly chaotic, always teetering on the brink of disaster. It's either shit luck or a bit of attention-seeking melodrama.

And if Dooce is the poster child for this coma treatment, fuck no. She's an emotionally manipulative monster.

Of all the Russians to be named after, Gorbachev, really? That's slightly less bad than Stalina.

 

[Mesosalpinx]

I detox off benzos every year or so and all I get is the akathisia for a day or two. You'd think he would take them for less than a week and stop after realizing that they are making him much worse, if he really was having a paradoxical reaction to them. Also, why would he get put on a benzo after having an allergy attack?

 

[DrunkenDozing]

Damn Big Daddy Benzos keeps digging himself deeper. He keeps coming across as even more of a hypocrite. He keeps going for the quickest and easiest way out after making a career about manning up and taking the tough route to build character. Gurus never take their own advice and just use influence to get rich, I know that and JP is just another brick in the wall.

I just cant help but feel if a man went to one of his own lectures and told him this story, the online "harrassment", the depression, the benzos and the sick wife Jordan himself would probably give him a pep talk about staying strong and hanging in there. The "I know this is tough but just stay the course" muh bootstraps and all that.

Now with bad shit happening to himself, he jumps and throws money at the quickest fix. Like it's okay when he does it, just not you. Yeah. Its hypocrisy and I very much think Peterson will fade as his own audience won't trust him anymore.

 

[sperginity]

This is actually really bad advice for the record. Updated information says while dealing with depression antidepressants should be a last resort. Lifestyle changes like change of diet, more outdoor activities, developing a better base of coping skills, talk or group therapy, etc. are better long term then starting off with medication. This is because many patients will rely purely on medication and not try further lifestyle changes and the risk of side effects can outweigh the benefits.

This doesn’t apply to things like schizophrenia or bipolar, etc. When it comes to pure depression many people experience situational depression rather then something like majot depressive disorder, which needs about two years of persistent symptoms to be diagnosed. It isn’t that he’s entirely wrong, it’s just a generalized statement with outdated information. Also when it comes to medication it’s generally psychiatric not psychological, so that can explain some of the miscommunication.

I looked for updated treatment guidelines for depression, which were updated last in 2010, and they say no such thing. I don't want to get into an argument in this thread but he is giving extremely standard advice based on a lot of evidence and lots of experience as a psychologist. Half of the reason why I avoid this thread is because its full of people making demonstrably incorrect accusations and it is tiresome. There is a lot to attack the guy about and somehow people zero in on non-issues. idgi. I'm exiting the thread now.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Literally the only one that truly stumps me is the Antiandrogen. Wut for?

If he gets too manly, he might get too far right wing.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

Literally the only one that truly stumps me is the Antiandrogen. Wut for?

Treatment for RA, maybe?

"The effect of androgens on RA susceptibility and severity in women is less well understood. Androgens may protect against RA in some women, but other studies suggest that androgens may actually worsen disease severity."