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Who's up for a little thought exercise?

What if you suddenly woke up as Xi Jinping the next day? You suddenly grew a moral conscience and so you intend to fix the situation as best as possible instead of using the CCP's money and run away. No do-overs, so you inherit the problems facing China right now, with multiple patients, supplies running out, quarantines all over, and multiple countries imposing travel bans. What would your course of action be?
Presenting an external enemy for national unity would be the best play. I would blame it all on Bill Gates and his foundation and their tampering with bioengineering, black bag him and any of his foundation employees/pressure any pliant government to give them up when they set their feet out of US. Then present his and his foundation member "confessions" about spreading the plague to the Chinese public.

Yes, I am still salty about Windows Me, get fucked Bill.
 
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Who's up for a little thought exercise?

What if you suddenly woke up as Xi Jinping the next day? You suddenly grew a moral conscience and so you intend to fix the situation as best as possible instead of using the CCP's money and run away. No do-overs, so you inherit the problems facing China right now, with multiple patients, supplies running out, quarantines all over, and multiple countries imposing travel bans. What would your course of action be?

Not have my country be a dump where people have to eat rats and bats to survive. Prevention is the best solution.

Imagine living in one of the quarantine zones.
Did you describe The Communist Magical Medical centers or Hitler's Jewish vacation camps in this post?
 
Who's up for a little thought exercise?

What if you suddenly woke up as Xi Jinping the next day? You suddenly grew a moral conscience and so you intend to fix the situation as best as possible instead of using the CCP's money and run away. No do-overs, so you inherit the problems facing China right now, with multiple patients, supplies running out, quarantines all over, and multiple countries imposing travel bans. What would your course of action be?
Everything needs to be focused on breaking transmission chains.
Stop the policy of rounding people up. Those mild symptoms peiple crowded together is nightmarish. Change to policy of shelter in place. Set up triage system where everyone is checked daily via text. Food deliveries if needed. Close everything down that can spread disease. Keep up garbage collection. Anyone exhibiting symptoms that are serious enough to need hospital needs to go to hospital. System for pickup needed. Hospitals need to be observing proper quarantine measure and barrier nursing.
Basically, quarantine, break transmission chains, keep society just ticking over. stop arresting people and dragging them off to be placed in large areas together when they only have the sniffles. That alone is going to be driving transmission in a big way.
They need to shelve their egos and talk to people who have knowledge and experience of outbreaks and how to deal with them.
 
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

And once that slide starts, it's tough to stop. Think of how many failed states out there started with fuel shortages and cascaded from there.

Loss of power means loss of refrigeration. Loss of water means lack of way to wash. Loss of sewage means it starts outflowing onto the streets and overflowing at the treatment plant. Lack of shipping means no food, no medicine, no essentials, no bottled water.
Depending on the situation, municipal water can actually go a long time without maintenance. The systems are extremely simple to keep under pressure and not a lot can fail on the supply side compared to most other utilities. Power is the most likely to fail first, and water will often run without local power for a while until on-site generators or gravity-fed reservoirs run down (probably not in a big city like Wuhan though).
 
Imagine living in one of the quarantine zones.

The government destroys all routes of transport and cuts off any supply lines. Your neighbors have been sealed in their apartment and stopped banging on the walls days ago. You occasionally see people from the next building over jump rather than starve. You're not sure what is in the mist the trucks are spraying as they drive down the streets littered with dead pets the party told you to get rid of. You keep your window shut, just in case.

Then one day, your door bangs opens. Soldiers in fake hazmat suits take you out at gun point and shove you in a box. It's not big at all, but they manage to fit you and three other people in. You're the only one that wasn't coughing, but that changes by the time you arrive at your new home.

It's a very unpleasant affair. Prefab structures with bars on the windows, precariously stacked, one on top of the other. You try to ignore the bars, and try double hard to forget the massive pits you saw being dug on the way in.

Inside is somehow worse. Each of these prefabs is filled with as many people as the party can find. All being "treated" by doctors who shuffle room to room, looking sicker than the patients they treat. You're pretty certain your bunk mate on the rack above you died days ago, but you're too afraid to check, let alone wonder what fluid is leaking from him in the dark.

Xi Jinping visited the other day! At least they said it was him. You had seen his face on tv everyday for years, and this guy didn't even look like him, even with a mask covering his face. You know better than to ask such questions. Those that do get dragged off for treatments. Nobody knows where they are now.

You can feel your body deteriorating. You can't tell if it's from the disease or from being stuck in this God forsaken place. Suddenly, in the middle of the night, armed guards drag you and several other patients into a big open area. There are people dressed like doctors here, but they aren't the people who have been treating you for the past... what... Days? Weeks? Months perhaps?

They aren't the only people here. People from the state propaganda department are here with cameras. Pointed at you! Finally! They must be here to report on conditions in this death trap! You feel hopeful for the first time in...

One of them presses a button on a stereo. A blatant imitation of Kpop produced by the CCP assaults you ears. The men with guns tell you to start dancing. You have no energy left, but if you don't dance then you will die.

So, you dance. You will your dessicated limbs and immaciated body to move to the rhythm of a song about the good graces of the CCP. But it is too much. You fall to the floor, your limbs cease to respond to your efforts to stand back up, and you feel your breath begin to slow. As your vision begins to tunnel and fade, you hear the guards contemplating whether they should take you to the pit or leave you here.

All for the sake of bat soup!
Absolutely terrifying.

Now that I rewatch them, it reminded me of the dance scene in the psychiatric hospital, in "Bronson".


"The cure for the flu? oh just dance it off, citizen!"
 
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What in the fucking fuck are these people thinking? do they think that posting this means "oh look, we've got it under control! I mean look how much fun we're having! it's all good!"

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If they were going to make a meme worthy propaganda dance video, they should have at least used Thriller.

 
With all this talk of failing municipalities I think it's important to turn attention to a service that has been side-lined by all the coverage of Chinese hospitals, which is the crematoriums. Turns out a news service called New Tang Dynasty Television got in touch with a low-level official at one of Wuhan's crematoriums a couple of days ago, who revealed that, as assumed, the CPC are significantly fudging their statistics. I will point out NTD is a Chinese expat company operating out of New York and who are geared towards challenging the Communist Party' official messages, so they are biased, however the report is still interesting none the less.


In the video the official reveals some interesting numbers such as;
On 8/02 they burned 127 bodies.
Every crematorium in Wuhan is working at maximum capacity, which means they're dealing with similar numbers or worse.
They receive 38% of bodies from the hospital and 61% from homes, suggesting that hospital services have been completely overwhelmed.

There is much more useful information in this video, such as how the crematoriums and their staff are very close to breaking point, so I do recommend watching it.
 
Well, I hate to make another bad speculation, but this has been something concerning me lately. China has become increasingly involved in Africa over the last decade, or so. Africa's disease control measures are far worse than what you see even in China. The concern I have is that if Chinese citizens abroad in Africa were to spread the disease to the African population, it may become completely uncontrollable, and then enter into Europe as a result of Europe's lax migration controls. The African nations are also highly unlikely to institute travel bans on the Chinese, which means the odds of the infection spreading there are actually fairly high.

Yes, I thought about that too. I hope there is some truth in the ACE2-table posted earlier, that some populations maybe are genetically less succeptible to bad outcomes of the virus. But that's just a layman's hope. African populations were somewhere on the lower side of the list.

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Say what you want, propaganda or not, I simply love it. Dancing with death. I'd totally do that.

South Korea is now advising against travel to various Asian countries, including the other developed nations (Japan, Taiwan and Singapore). Pretty scary; wouldn't be surprised if Western nations will follow soon after.

S. Korea advises against traveling to Singapore, Taiwan and 4 others.

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SEOUL, Feb. 11 (Yonhap) -- South Korea on Tuesday strongly advised its nationals to refrain from traveling to Singapore and five other Asian countries, in addition to China, which has reported the most confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus.
In an effort to contain the virus that has rapidly spread across the continent, the Seoul government asked people to limit their travel to Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand and Singapore.
"The measure is part of efforts to prevent the inflow of the novel coronavirus into the country through a third nation," Kim Gang-lip, deputy head of the central disaster headquarters, said during a regular press briefing.
A thermal scanner is set up at the National Assembly in Seoul on Feb. 10, 2020, to check arriving people's body temperatures as part of measures to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus originating in China. Anyone with his or her fever rising to 37.5 C or higher is prohibited from entering parliament. (Yonhap)'s body temperatures as part of measures to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus originating in China. Anyone with his or her fever rising to 37.5 C or higher is prohibited from entering parliament. (Yonhap)

A thermal scanner is set up at the National Assembly in Seoul on Feb. 10, 2020, to check arriving people's body temperatures as part of measures to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus originating in China. Anyone with his or her fever rising to 37.5 C or higher is prohibited from entering parliament. (Yonhap)
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On Sunday, the World Health Organization (WHO) picked the six countries as possible places where the virus is possibly spreading within communities.
The advisory was made by the disaster headquarters that is operated by the Ministry of Health and Welfare, and it is separate from a regular travel warning announced by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
The foreign ministry currently maintains the second-highest level of "withdrawal recommendation" for China's Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak. It also applies the alert level of "restraint," the third highest in its four-tier travel warning system, for the entire country, including Hong Kong and Macao.
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Scanning seems so strange to me. Okay, better than nothing. But somewhat in vain, you just find out the people with a fever. But the eventually asymptomatic carriers of the virus?
 
AJ+ weighs in.


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i was waiting for AJ+ to blame american racism for the virus, but instead they managed to fit only a small blurb about inequality at the end.
batting below average today i see.
 
Mr. Super-Spreader speaks! He's called Steve Walsh and he's feeling much better.

It also turns out one of the GPs (family doctors for non-UK-ers) whom he infected visited a nursing home (I mean, this is worst case scenario stuff) on duty before they were diagnosed. Nursing home is now closed off to public. As yet, no infections diagnosed, but as we know, it can take time for symptoms to show.


A British man linked to 11 coronavirus cases has spoken for the first time, saying he is "fully recovered" from the illness.

Steve Walsh, who remains quarantined in hospital, says his thoughts are with others who have contracted the virus.

He said his family have been asked to isolate themselves "as a precaution".

The gas salesman, from Hove in East Sussex, caught the virus in Singapore and is thought to have infected 11 others at a French ski resort.

Five of the cases linked to Mr Walsh are in England, five are in France and one is in Majorca, Spain.

It takes the total number of people infected in the UK to eight.

Two of the new UK cases are understood to be GPs - one of whom works at the County Oak medical centre, in Brighton, East Sussex, which was temporarily closed on Monday.

Health officials are urgently tracing patients who might have been infected.

Meanwhile, Patcham Nursing Home in Brighton confirmed on Tuesday that it has "closed to all visitors" after one of the infected GPs visited a patient there.

A spokeswoman for the care home said: "It is important to state that no-one at the home is unwell.

"However, following the closure of the local GP surgery, as a precaution we have closed the home to all visitors."

She added that the care home had conducted checks on residents and staff, which Public Health England was happy with.

Last month, two other people - who are related - were confirmed as having coronavirus after being taken ill at a hotel in York.

It was later revealed that one is a student at the University of York.

Mr Walsh contracted the coronavirus at a work conference in Singapore, before travelling to a French ski resort for a holiday on his way back to the UK.

In a statement from quarantine in Guy's Hospital in London, Mr Walsh thanked the NHS for their care.

He said he contacted his GP, NHS 111 and Public Health England, on learning he had been exposed to a confirmed case of coronavirus.

He added: "I was advised to attend an isolated room at hospital, despite showing no symptoms, and subsequently self-isolated at home as instructed.

"When the diagnosis was confirmed I was sent to an isolation unit in hospital, where I remain, and, as a precaution, my family was also asked to isolate themselves."

He thanked friends, family and colleagues for their support, adding "I ask the media to respect our privacy."

What are the symptoms of coronavirus and what can help stop its spread?
The main signs of infection are fever (high temperature) and a cough as well as shortness of breath and breathing difficulties.

Frequent hand washing with soap or gel, avoiding close contact with people who are ill and not touching your eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands, can help cut the risk of infection.

Catching coughs and sneezes in a tissue, binning it and washing your hands can minimise the risk of spreading disease.

Anyone experiencing symptoms, even if mild, after travelling from mainland China, Thailand, Japan, Republic of Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia or Macau, is advised to stay indoors and call the NHS 111 phone service.


In a statement, Servomex, Mr Walsh's employer, said it continues to "provide support" to him and his family.

A company spokesperson added: "We are working with Public Health authorities to ensure the welfare of our staff and communities and wish anyone with the virus a quick and full recovery."

Servomex said it had "acted quickly" to put "preventative measures" in place, including introducing travel restrictions and enforcing self-isolation for employees who attended the Singapore conference or who have shown symptoms of the virus.

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It comes as a second GP surgery in Brighton closed on Tuesday following confirmed cases of coronavirus in the city.

The County Oak Medical Centre was closed on Monday after a member of staff tested positive for the virus.

Now a second branch - located in Deneway, less than two miles away - has also shut.

There have now been more than 40,000 cases of coronavirus, which has been declared a global health emergency.

The death toll in China stands at 1,016.


As for what those crows might be eating: Laowhy and Serpentza talked about this at the start of their livestream, last night. They said the spraying looks like stuff they do to contain cockroaches and rats normally. They said you see guys in hazmats spraying into hedges and on streets and it kills the rampant vermin there. He shows video of someone still living there who found dead and dying roaches out in the open in daylight in his house after the recent spraying. Now he also says someone confirmed one of the larger spraying incidents was bleach/water, so it's not confirmed exactly what is going on here, but it could be very likely they are trying to handle the rat and roach issue they've added to by having people have to throw garbage out the windows/having no trash pick-up by throwing insane amounts of serious poison around the environment for everyone to breathe in AND they're also throwing bleach around to try to kill Captain Corona.

 
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Imagine living in one of the quarantine zones.

The government destroys all routes of transport and cuts off any supply lines. Your neighbors have been sealed in their apartment and stopped banging on the walls days ago. You occasionally see people from the next building over jump rather than starve. You're not sure what is in the mist the trucks are spraying as they drive down the streets littered with dead pets the party told you to get rid of. You keep your window shut, just in case.

Then one day, your door bangs opens. Soldiers in fake hazmat suits take you out at gun point and shove you in a box. It's not big at all, but they manage to fit you and three other people in. You're the only one that wasn't coughing, but that changes by the time you arrive at your new home.

It's a very unpleasant affair. Prefab structures with bars on the windows, precariously stacked, one on top of the other. You try to ignore the bars, and try double hard to forget the massive pits you saw being dug on the way in.

Inside is somehow worse. Each of these prefabs is filled with as many people as the party can find. All being "treated" by doctors who shuffle room to room, looking sicker than the patients they treat. You're pretty certain your bunk mate on the rack above you died days ago, but you're too afraid to check, let alone wonder what fluid is leaking from him in the dark.

Xi Jinping visited the other day! At least they said it was him. You had seen his face on tv everyday for years, and this guy didn't even look like him, even with a mask covering his face. You know better than to ask such questions. Those that do get dragged off for treatments. Nobody knows where they are now.

You can feel your body deteriorating. You can't tell if it's from the disease or from being stuck in this God forsaken place. Suddenly, in the middle of the night, armed guards drag you and several other patients into a big open area. There are people dressed like doctors here, but they aren't the people who have been treating you for the past... what... Days? Weeks? Months perhaps?

They aren't the only people here. People from the state propaganda department are here with cameras. Pointed at you! Finally! They must be here to report on conditions in this death trap! You feel hopeful for the first time in...

One of them presses a button on a stereo. A blatant imitation of Kpop produced by the CCP assaults you ears. The men with guns tell you to start dancing. You have no energy left, but if you don't dance then you will die.

So, you dance. You will your dessicated limbs and immaciated body to move to the rhythm of a song about the good graces of the CCP. But it is too much. You fall to the floor, your limbs cease to respond to your efforts to stand back up, and you feel your breath begin to slow. As your vision begins to tunnel and fade, you hear the guards contemplating whether they should take you to the pit or leave you here.

All for the sake of bat soup!
America may have its problems, but I thank god every day I wasn't born Chinese
 
With all this talk of failing municipalities I think it's important to turn attention to a service that has been side-lined by all the coverage of Chinese hospitals, which is the crematoriums. Turns out a news service called New Tang Dynasty Television got in touch with a low-level official at one of Wuhan's crematoriums a couple of days ago, who revealed that, as assumed, the CPC are significantly fudging their statistics. I will point out NTD is a Chinese expat company operating out of New York and who are geared towards challenging the Communist Party' official messages, so they are biased, however the report is still interesting none the less.


In the video the official reveals some interesting numbers such as;
On 8/02 they burned 127 bodies.
Every crematorium in Wuhan is working at maximum capacity, which means they're dealing with similar numbers or worse.
They receive 38% of bodies from the hospital and 61% from homes, suggesting that hospital services have been completely overwhelmed.

There is much more useful information in this video, such as how the crematoriums and their staff are very close to breaking point, so I do recommend watching it.
So the person is saying the numbers have shot up since at least the 23rd of january, and is now cremating about 130 people, which is 4-5 more than usual. That gives us about 100 people coronavirus related cremations at this point. It's hard to say, since we don't know how quickly the numbers shot up, but I think it's safe to say that this crematorium alone has disposed of more coronavirus related bodies than the official death number already.
 
little bit off topic maybe: And i am prob a horrible person for thinking like this, but before the corona virus outbreak i didn't know much about China or rather was indifferent. But i find myself more and more rooting for the virus the more i learn about the Chinese people, their customs, their total disregard of life in general.
Am i alone in this?
 
So the person is saying the numbers have shot up since at least the 23rd of january, and is now cremating about 130 people, which is 4-5 more than usual. That gives us about 100 people coronavirus related cremations at this point. It's hard to say, since we don't know how quickly the numbers shot up, but I think it's safe to say that this crematorium alone has disposed of more coronavirus related bodies than the official death number already.
Does anyone actually believe the numbers coming out of China?
 
There's another article who wonder if Corona-chan will take China's communist dictatorship down? https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._take_chinas_communist_dictatorship_down.html ( http://archive.ph/cuzXT )

There was a quote attributed or misattributed to Napoleon who said "Let China Sleep, for when the Dragon awakes, she will shake the world". I think once they get rid of the communists, China will shift to higher gear.


February 11, 2020
Could the coronavirus take China's communist dictatorship down?
By Monica Showalter
Monday, China's leader, Xi Jinping appeared in public for the first time since a big swath of the country was shut down due to the coronavirus.
According to the New York Times:
President Xi Jinping of China, the authoritarian leader who had been noticeably absent from public view since the coronavirus outbreak escalated into a crisis, toured several public places in Beijing on Monday afternoon. The appearances seemed aimed at countering criticism that Mr. Xi has been aloof amid rising public discontent with his government’s struggle to contain the crisis.

A day earlier, he held a "rare" meeting of top officials on the crisis. He also went on television. According to CNBC:
Chinese President Xi Jinping insisted the country will win the fight against the coronavirus outbreak, saying he will adopt more decisive measures to contain the spread.
Speaking on state television Monday, Xi said the country would speed up the development of drugs that have relatively good clinical effects against the deadly pneumonia-like virus.
Xi’s comments come shortly after China’s National Health Commission said it had confirmed more than 3,000 new cases and almost 100 deaths as of Sunday night. The world’s second-largest economy now has a total of 40,141 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the country, with 908 deaths.
Reminder: the guy's a dictator.
In theory, he doesn't need to do anything. He's got absolute power and too bad if people don't like it. His government has been pretty secretive up until now, too. That Xi is now acting almost like a western politician, seeking to rally the people as the coronavirus epidemic ravages a lot of the country and makes China itself a disease pariah globally, rather suggests a dictatorship under strain and trying to shore up support. The BBC called that appearance "rare." Foreign Affairs calls it "a stress test."
Or more likely, he's running scared.
Foreign Affairs, which has a very good analysis, notes that Xi is definitely being blamed by the Chinese:
Xi’s system of governance has protected him from significant political fallout from the epidemic but has also created the very conditions that allowed the virus to spread so fast in the first place. Because the Chinese state apparatus is so centralized, information pools around bottlenecks and often fails to reach those who need it most. The mayor of Wuhan noted in a televised interview in late January that he passed information regarding the coronavirus to the relevant authorities early on, but he was not authorized to release that information to the public. Others were no more able to voice their concerns without fear of reprisal. When 34-year old Dr. Li Wenliang first raised the alarm about the virus in a small online chat group in late December, he was detained and forced to sign a statement disavowing his comments. His death from the virus on February 7 provoked an outpouring of grief and anger, as well as calls for freedom of speech across the Chinese Web, with the news of Li’s demise garnering more than 1.5 billion views on the social media platform Weibo. Hoping to allay the public’s anger, Beijing responded by promising to send a team from the CCP’s anti-corruption body to investigate the local government’s treatment of Li. for the crisis:
The root of the problem is that ruling Chinese communists refuse to permit the free flow of information. In an epidemic, that's deadly, that's precisely what extends the duration of an epidemic, information being the one thing that needs to be shared freely, to prevent panic, to ensure the distribution of medical supplies, to obtain effective cures, to isolate transmission areas. Foreign Affairs explains the details of this very well. So the more the Chicoms act like Chicoms, the worse the epidemic gets and the worse the effects. To look at the comments section of the YouTube video about, it's clear the locals know it.

It's possible, and maybe likely, the epidemic will die out before anything really dramatic happens. But there are so many signs of trouble already in China already that it raises questions as to whether China's 73-year-old communist regime is going to survive this.
Quite apart from the disease, the country is already in a dry tinder state, with an extended uprising in the semi-westernized Hong Kong side on China's coast, and a vast Gulag-like detention of millions in the restive Islamic far west. It's economy is faring poorly and President Trump's trade squeeze on China has already forced a quick capitulation. Now with the coronavirus striking at Wuhan, the physical center of the country, the flashpoints now go across the country. But it's not just the physical center that's significant about this Wuhan outbreak - it's also the industrial center, not the only one, but a very important one.
 
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they doing Tai Chi. heard that doing Tai Chi is a must or your social credit score will go down since the chines government is using Tai Chi to strengthen their nationalism.
 
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