Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

[Man of the Sea]

It is his daughters official statement.

Right, which is why I prefaced the entire statement saying that we only have statements from the family and also stating that he wasn't addicted (or physically dependent) until after the cancer diagnosis.

I have to say though again, after a few pages of this thread, the haters are getting just as cringe as the fans of JBP. Its one thing to hate the guy for his shit debate performance with Zizek and his weird interpretations of Frozen, its another entirely to hate him for trying to be a father figure to people and making money off of it and taking medication AS PRESCRIBED.

 

[Spatula]

Right, which is why I prefaced the entire statement saying that we only have statements from the family and also stating that he wasn't addicted (or physically dependent) until after the cancer diagnosis

No, you called all people who say JP was on the drugs before the cancer scare are rumorfags that are just speculating, and then I linked his daughters statement.
Mikaelas statement implies he was taking the drugs for years and only recently was the dosage increased.

 

[Justtocheck]

AS PRESCRIBED.

Let me press X

Trusting what Mikahela says is dumb because A) She's biased as a family member B) She's a meat quack C) She's benefiting economically from PR from her daddy. If I were a journalist I would say very simpy "she's not a reliable source."

On another topic, If I could come up here with the most beautiful arguments and convincing statements to "damage" Peterson that would still be nothing compared to the damage he himself did by crying and mumbling incoherenly during an hour of interview. Jesus.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

JP is best daddy. A druggie, to be certain, but still best daddy.

 

[RedAntiNationalist]

Jordan is the king of all hacks.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I'm not getting the his beef with feminists. Women in the workforce is good for the economy and in the last 30 years it has been mandatory to have two household incomes in order to make it.

He seems to have only two types of women in mind during his lectures to young men. An angry misandrist or a woman looking for status through a man (he calls it ''Hypergamy'') so they can sit on their butts and do nothing. The majority of females don't fall in either group. The mens rights groups who have held Peterson up as their inspiration seem to have the belief now that the majority of women are really like this.

 

[Justtocheck]

I'm not getting the his beef with feminists. Women in the workforce is good for the economy and in the last 30 years it has been mandatory to have two household incomes in order to make it.

He seems to have only two types of women in mind during his lectures to young men. An angry misandrist or a woman looking for status through a man (he calls it ''Hypergamy'') so they can sit on their butts and do nothing. The majority of females don't fall in either group. The mens rights groups who have held Peterson up as their inspiration seem to have the belief now that the majority of women are really like this.

To be fair to Peterson, the MRA's have alwasy been characterized by their wild theories on the female minds. All filled with tons of resentment and vitriol disguised. Peterson has just given them new reusable material and they will eat up the next theory when the next big guru comes up.

If Peterson had actually bother reading some academic material he'd know that this big societal changes he complains so much, that happened in the last thirty years have been due to *drum rolls* Post-Raegan neo-liberal capitalism. (No way Jose!).

I don't want to go too deeply here, but women in the workforce have been a thing since the dissolution of the nuclear families in the late 50's, early 60's. As anyone who tried to move out of the parents house will know () economic freedom and actual physical freedom have to come together. You can't be a free woman after a divorce if you can't find any money to live away from your ex-husband.

 

[TenMilesWide]

Jordan is the king of all hacks.

Nah, he's a big hack but he's nowhere near the king. He is the king of all lobsters, though.

 

[Overly Serious]

Reading all this and having done a little research spurred on by this thread, I have to ask how the Hell so many people are prescribed this stuff. One stat I read for the UK was this:

There are an estimated 1.5 million people suffering from doctor induced BZ drug dependency in England alone (with antidepressants now a major problem as well) − the number worldwide must be staggering. [4]

The list of negative effects of this stuff is terrifying. Is this going to be our generation's lobotomies or thallidomide? Has anyone successfully sued a doctor for putting them on this crap, yet?

 

[Justtocheck]

The list of negative effects of this stuff is terrifying. Is this going to be our generation's lobotomies or thallidomide? Has anyone successfully sued a doctor for putting them on this crap, yet?

Hey, hey, stop right there; pharmaceutical companies have to make a profit somehow. Are we supposed to take the food out of the poor executives mouthes? Are you against profit making you pinko?

What are you going to be suggesting next? That taking codeine is not almost like taking ibuprofen? Codeine addictive and dangerous? Please... It's practically over the counter.

 

[Drunk and Pour]

That's not quite right. Maps of Meaning was written before his rise as public intellectual, but 12 Rules for Life was definitely written afterwards, and probably went into his benzo buying funds.

You are right in that it is SJWs/trans-activists who did more to promote him by whining about so often. They have nobody else to blame but themselves.

12 Rules was released in 2018, but according to him, he's been writing it for years. Of course people are going to dismiss his word out right because of benzos, and greed, and lobsters and everything else. I'm just saying his fame and his books are not necessarily tied together.

It’s funny that so many of my peers looked/look up to this guy. I would ask, “you realize he is just telling you to make your bed, wash your benis and get a job right? Can’t you just do those things and stfu about it?” “No,” they said. “He’s a deep, revolutionary thinker.” I’ve even been told his teachings are the “key to long term sobriety,” which extra lulz now.
I mean... what pussy. Why would you need a special long term rehab in Russia to get off benzos? I get it, some people need to medically taper to avoid seizing up, but this seems like vaginal overkill. Rehabs and county jails in the US taper patients & prisoners down to zero in 14 days typically.

Kermit spergs blown the fuck out... again!

Also @Null I dug the song, reminds me of melodysheep.

You realize it's not meant to be taken literally, right? Cleaning your room isn't going to magically get you your dream job and find your soul mate. This is like Cathy Newman seriously asking Peterson why he thinks we should live like lobsters. And I honestly don't know who is being cynically disingenuous and mischaracterizes him, and who really thinks he's talking about magic.

The fact is I'm not going to take advice on how to improve my life from a benzo addict who went to Russia to get cold turkey. If his life is such a mess, why should I listen to him?

Well, that's why we have priests who are the perfect vessel for God's word.

I'm not getting the his beef with feminists. Women in the workforce is good for the economy and in the last 30 years it has been mandatory to have two household incomes in order to make it.

He seems to have only two types of women in mind during his lectures to young men. An angry misandrist or a woman looking for status through a man (he calls it ''Hypergamy'') so they can sit on their butts and do nothing. The majority of females don't fall in either group. The mens rights groups who have held Peterson up as their inspiration seem to have the belief now that the majority of women are really like this.

A theory is, whether true or not, is the reason we need a two person income in order to make it is because women have entered the workforce. Basic supply and demand; the more workers employers have to choose from, the easier it is to pick people who would take lower pay. So sure, women in the workforce is good for the economy in the same way as importing immigrant laborers, but it's not necessarily good for the households.

I agree that the majority of women fall into those two camps. I would say that modern feminism is much broader than "angry misandrists" and "hypergamy". It's the idea that we have to feminize young boys to make the world a better place because anything that is seen as "masculine" is deemed toxic.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

To be fair to Peterson, the MRA's have alwasy been characterized by their wild theories on the female minds. All filled with tons of resentment and vitriol disguised. Peterson has just given them new reusable material and they will eat up the next theory when the next big guru comes up.

If Peterson had actually bother reading some academic material he'd know that this big societal changes he complains so much, that happened in the last thirty years have been due to *drum rolls* Post-Raegan neo-liberal capitalism. (No way Jose!).

I don't want to go too deeply here, but women in the workforce have been a thing since the dissolution of the nuclear families in the late 50's, early 60's. As anyone who tried to move out of the parents house will know () economic freedom and actual physical freedom have to come together. You can't be a free woman after a divorce if you can't find any money to live away from your ex-husband.

He's a wealthy man who came of age in a time where it was easier to make a living and put yourself through school. It's not surprising he's a ''Hail Reagan!!'' type. Peterson has the same old tricks as the rest: deflect blame to source you can (women, college students, trannies) and keep the Reaganomics choo choo train going.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The fact is I'm not going to take advice on how to improve my life from a benzo addict who went to Russia to get cold turkey. If his life is such a mess, why should I listen to him?

Because he's shown to be empathetic towards others' problems and misfortunes? Because he doesn't have a history of saying hateful things about anyone? Because despite his personal problems, he still tries to help and encourage people into making good life choices?

Like I said before, I don't think his advice is incredibly unique ... But it's not bad advice, no matter who it is coming from. Giving people the encouragement to be responsible can go a long way for many, and apparently it has for a lot of people who have resonated with Peterson's words.

I get it: He's not a perfect person with a perfect life, as we're seeing now. I just don't think he's a lolcow or a bad person whose words are all of the sudden nullified because he's suffering through something that all types of people are suffering through in the West.

 

[Justtocheck]

A theory is, whether true or not, is the reason we need a two person income in order to make it is because women have entered the workforce. Basic supply and demand; the more workers employers have to choose from, the easier it is to pick people who would take lower pay. So sure, women in the workforce is good for the economy in the same way as importing immigrant laborers, but it's not necessarily good for the households.

I was going to joke about how I like my women like I like my sex slaves; at home, uneducated and economically dependant. It's a nice joke. But I want to level with you; this argument is one of many that's the reason so many people say Peterson is not worth engaging intellectually.

He frames the issue like "women entered the work force and ruined everything. If only they had been more content to fulfull their biological role it'd be all good". Of course, ignoring all major historical evidence about the neo-liberal capitalist movement.

See Detroit and Baltimore? They would all be fine if just women wouldn't have worked, and not the importation of cheaper cars. Or the miner conflict in Britain that paralized the country? Oh boy... if women had only... milked the babies I'm sure that cheaper coal wouldn't have been brought from overseas. The fucking H-1B Visas that ruins it for everyone except big corporate leadership? Oh those damn---- wamen!

He's free to be an advocate for what he wants. Just saying he's not a serious comentator and barely deserves to be taken seriously.

 

[PuniPuniFag]

The music at the end, lol.

"Jordan Peterson is a very important person to me, an important man to the free speech movement and quite frankly mens issues in general. He has been languishing in pain for months and nobody is reporting on it. "
Damn, quarterpounder must've been sucking that peterson dick good behind closed doors.

 

[Drunk and Pour]

I was going to joke about how I like my women like I like my sex slaves; at home, uneducated and economically dependant. It's a nice joke. But I want to level with you; this argument is one of many that's the reason so many people say Peterson is not worth engaging intellectually.

He frames the issue like "women entered the work force and ruined everything. If only they had been more content to fulfull their biological role it'd be all good". Of course, ignoring all major historical evidence about the neo-liberal capitalist movement.

See Detroit and Baltimore? They would all be fine if just women wouldn't have worked, and not the importation of cheaper cars. Or the miner conflict in Britain that paralized the country? Oh boy... if women had only... milked the babies I'm sure that cheaper coal wouldn't have been brought from overseas. The fucking H-1B Visas that ruins it for everyone except big corporate leadership? Oh those damn---- wamen!

He's free to be an advocate for what he wants. Just saying he's not a serious comentator and barely deserves to be taken seriously.

I'm not sure why you think Peterson and others think its only women joining the workforce that has caused economic decline. It's not even Peterson's theory, it's something that has been floating around for a while. Elizabeth Warren wrote a book talking about it back in the early 2000s. I don't see how the effects of neo-liberal capitalist movements are a point against Peterson. This is like the outrage when he talked about forced monogamy. People mischaracterize what he says, and I can't tell who is doing it intentionally or not.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

It’s funny that so many of my peers looked/look up to this guy. I would ask, “you realize he is just telling you to make your bed, wash your benis and get a job right? Can’t you just do those things and stfu about it?” “No,” they said. “He’s a deep, revolutionary thinker.” I’ve even been told his teachings are the “key to long term sobriety,” which extra lulz now.
I mean... what pussy. Why would you need a special long term rehab in Russia to get off benzos? I get it, some people need to medically taper to avoid seizing up, but this seems like vaginal overkill. Rehabs and county jails in the US taper patients & prisoners down to zero in 14 days typically.

Kermit spergs blown the fuck out... again!

Also @Null I dug the song, reminds me of melodysheep.

Some of you guys have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Tapering prisoners down in 0 to 14 days. LOL. Yeah if it's Xanex you can do that, because it's a short acting benzo. If you go through withdrawal you may be sick for a few days.

Longer acting benzos like Ativan and Klonopin are totally different beasts. It will take months or even years to get yourself off them. In the meantime, they have bad side effects and if you go into withdrawal your going to be experiencing wonderful things like convulsions, constant adrenaline dumps/panic attacks and body temperature drops that will make you feel like you are freezing to death. These are the things that come with lowering the dosage. There's at least one case study out there of a person died of hypothermia during a benzo withdrawal.

And this is not after you've gotten "hooked" on them - we're talking low dose taken as prescribed. Anyone that thinks Peterson is a "druggie" because he got wrecked after being prescribed something he never should have taken, they're an idiot.

It's something that should never be given for insomnia or depression, it should be malpractice to do that. The juice isn't nearly worth the squeeze and the side effects for something like insomnia make it incredibly counterproductive. That's why Chris Cornell died - he was taking Ativan because he had torn his rotator cuff and was having trouble sleeping. Well guess what, if you have Tinnitus it will get 100 times worse if you're taking Ativan. Good luck sleeping or even concentrating then. His last words were " The ringing, the ringing in my ears, I couldn’t stop the ringing. "

Source: myself, I lived through it.

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

Everyone is different but I have a feeling he was taking more than he should if it's that severe. I been prescribed the same meds and really don't have a problem with not taking it. Depressants like this are harder to kick then heroin. You kick opiates you'll feel like shit but get better. Trying to quit depressants like klonopin or even alcohol can kill you. But generally speaking you need to be on a insanely high dose. Like a bottle of vodka a day type habit or more to be put in a medically induced coma.

 

[Justtocheck]

"Jordan Peterson is a very important person to me, an important man to the free speech movement and quite frankly mens issues in general. He has been languishing in pain for months and nobody is reporting on it. "
Damn, quarterpounder must've been sucking that peterson dick good behind closed doors.

I can see that our buddy has taken hints from the death of R.Kelly at about 10:35 in the video. Georg should keep in sale a copy or two of "How to deal with the death of a celebrity you like". If Peterson does kick the bucket, the hints will be useful.

 

[Dylan]

Ya'll morons speaking how it's a bad idea to seek treatment in Russia know jack shit.
It's actually pretty fresh idea, since he'll be treated by doctors who don't seek to remove symptoms, but rather get to the root of the problem.
While rural parts have pretty bad healthcare, regional capitals have it quite nice, along with professionals who often have load of experience.
He was most certainly directed to people who know what he needs.