Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Still Anonymous For This]

I see you are giving advices, but there's something missing here. MRE's are ok. Canned food is fine too. However everyone must learn to obtain food from nature, not just consume them. Hunting and fishing skills are essential to live in countryside. One must also be able to skin animals as well. Don't forget to remove guts, if you don't want to eat shit, literally. It's obvious, but it must be said, still.

I'm going to come back in here and Debbie Down all over this shit.

Learning how to hunt and process game is an awesome skill to have. Having a deer in the freezer for venison steaks and to make chilis and stews is a real treat, but not something I would rely on in a major natural disaster. I get my deer tags every year, but you couldn't fucking catch me trying to tag a deer during a major disaster.

Everybody with two brain cells to rub together and a gun are going to be prowling every square inch of forest for deer, rabbit, coyote, boar, and maybe your dog to turn into dinner. This isn't to say they're going to hunt deer to extinction, but anyone who hunts will tell you the most dangerous aspect of hunting season is the fucking morons who shoot at anything. There is a certain subsection of hunters that could confuse an albino man wearing a blaze orange tracksuit adorned with flashing LED strobes for a mule deer.

Except now nobody gives two fucks about seasons and every dipshit with his AR15 he built will be out there pulling the trigger at anything that moves so they can feed their shut-in teenager some venison tendies. Gunshot wounds in the best of times suck. In a pandemic? Enjoy being back of the line at the hospital.

The solution? Don't put yourself into situations where you could come into possible confrontations with others. Hell, don't get into any sort of situation where you could be injured. Don't go chopping firewood. Don't fire up your chainsaw. Don't decide to take up carpentry. Don't burn open flames in your house. Don't open yourself up to pathogens from wild game. Don't go for long walks in the wood when it's hot as fuck or cold as fuck.

Just take a stay-home vacation and chill. In the remote chance that Corona turns the US into a fucking 1980s apocalyptic anime, don't do things that could end with you hurt: because nobody will be able to tend to your injuries or illness. Store enough water that you don't have to run out and syphon water from a creek: remember that you should already have a reasonable supply of water in your hot water heater. Storing enough water to survive a few months in a house it not shockingly difficult and, to be honest, the water lines would be the absolute last things to go.

Buy dried goods that you can cold soak: Knorr rice sides and instant potatoes are not necessarily the most amazing of foods for you to eat, but you can cold soak them and they taste pretty good. I eat those a lot when I section hike. Buy a propane grill, do your best Hank Hill impression, and use that to cook rice and dried beans.

Edit: and to reiterate none of this shit is going to happen. You're probably not going to have to quietly eat cold Spaghetti-Os in your underwear in the basement so your neighbors don't find out you have food.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

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Hunting is great but you don't need a rifle. Traps and snares for small game like birds/rabbit will work too. Rabbit doesn't have much fat so it shouldn't be considered a primary meat source.

I don't think this will turn into the kind of situation that will shut society down though. If you live in a hard to get to rural area then these are things you are already know. Things like solar panels/radios to power a phone/tablet are really useful if the electricity goes out. Landline phones don't go out because they have a small amount of electricity powering them so keep one if you can.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Dude nobody on this forum is gonna go full survivor man. Just be the crazy uncle who has a large stock pile of canned goods and water. Even if the power goes out for some reason you can eat the stuff cold out of the can. It's cheaper and easier then to buy all the survivor gear needed to go hunting and then scratch your head because you have no clue what you are doing.

 

[simulated goat]

Making hooch is simple but easy to fuck up.

How to make a hobo stove:

How to Make a Tin Can Camp Stove (Hobo Stove)

A fast and easy way to make a clean, empty, large can into a simple stove for cooking outdoors whether you're camping, living outdoors full-time, or in a developing country. Get a can that is large, both somewhat tall and wide. A coffee...

www.wikihow.com

Learn to make soap, you can make it from ashes (if getting caustic soda/lye is hard) and animal fat (for personal use or used cooking oil (for general purpose/cleaning).

Get a washboard and learn how to use it.

American Washboards

Feel empowered you are relying on yourself should your washer quit or when camping, trekking or any other time it is not convenient or possible to have a washer. Save money, time and the environment. Your clothes will thank you for it! Choose from a wide range of vintage, handmade washboards...

columbuswashboard.com

Hunting is great but you don't need a rifle. Traps and snares for small game like birds/rabbit will work too. Rabbit doesn't have much fat so it shouldn't be considered a primary meat source.

I don't think this will turn into the kind of situation that will shut society down though. If you live in a hard to get to rural area then these are things you are already know. Things like solar panels/radios to power a phone/tablet are really useful if the electricity goes out. Landline phones don't go out because they have a small amount of electricity powering them so keep one if you can.

I agree, I doubt it would ever get that bad, but I'm an oldfag and I've never seen a country quarantine 400million people and tear up the roads before. I like knowing I have extra cans of stuff (and an extra bar of soap or two) just in case I decide to stay in my pleasantly isolated home for a few weeks rather than having to drive into town on the regular and risk bringing it home to people with weak immune systems.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I like how every time I step away from the thread for a couple of days, shit hit the fan somewhere, and I have to catch up to know what the hubbub's all about like it was some hot weekly TV show. I might be a day late, but we're now at the "IT'S HAPPENING" mark, for reals this time? Imagine if social media existed a hundred years ago, or even during the black plague, and information blew up in real-time as well as getting memes of Spanish-san and Black-kun.

We indeed live in interesting times, and we're only two months into the new decade. God better have something really good up His sleeve for the 2020s, I dunno what's going to top Wu Flu at this point.

 

[s0mbra]

If it gets to that point, I'll probably just kms tbh.

But I've always thought the best option was to learn to create your own food. Grow fruit and veggies, raid the pet store for rabbits and learn proper care and breeding and slaughter for a near infinite food supply. Same for chickens if you got the room. Store bought rice and beans and mres won't last forever. It won't be a 5 star course meal but you'll live.

Also maybe getting a cat soon. May name it Dr. purr for its continual blessings of good fortune.
Thank you Dr. purr, very cool.

Edit: now you got me spooped about FL. Thought it was safe but now there's no way to know

 

[Don Herbert]

Are stories detailing "plights" like these counterintel to quell any panic?

Foreigners stranded in Wuhan by virus tell of fear and rations

Hunkered down at the epicentre of China's virus epidemic and cut off from the world, the remaining foreigners in Wuhan are eking out a life in fear. A coronavirus outbreak that has killed more than 1,300 people and locked down the central Chinese city has left thousands of foreigners trapped as

news.yahoo.com

Foreigners stranded in Wuhan by virus tell of fear and rations

archived 14 Feb 2020 04:01:07 UTC

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"I decided to go to school in China and am surprised that I am getting *slightly* price gouged during a disaster. The people at Walmart seemed like they had germs. This is unacceptable."

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

The thing is, @ColtWalker1847 we don't KNOW what's going to happen.

In 1918 the infrastructure was a lot different. Most communities didn't rely on the same zero-inventory systems that the world and the US relies on today. It didn't matter to Tumblefuck Nebraska if the major shipping ports weren't offloading ships because the stevedores were all sick, they were just fine. They weren't worried about the little white plugs in the wall because any power generation, IF THEY HAD IT, was pretty local and pretty robust. Heating, storage, food production, food storage, water and sewage weren't dependent upon electricity and parts/supplies from states away. Travel wasn't as easy as it is now. It could be controlled a lot easier, and took longer so people would either die or realize they were sick and stop during their travel.

Corona-chan has a lethality rate of 2.9-4.1% It's current estimated infection rate is 60%.

327,000,000x0.60 is 196 million. Of which, at the low end 5.6 million, over the course of several months. We'll say 6 months, in a bell curve of 0.5 million on month 1 and 6, 1 million in 2 and 5, and roughly 1.5 million in months 3 and 4. That's on top of the normal death rate in the US. That's on top of the bell curve of those sick over the 7 month illness period.

Those people weren't NEETs. Those people had jobs, and estimates figure 60% of the death/infected will be those who have essential jobs as well as those who must interact with the public.

Now, just being sick can cause problems. Ask any electrical company lineman how much time they spend fixing downed power lines. Well, those won't be getting fixed as at any given time 1/6th of the entire US population is sick for several months.

If we get the normal arc of time (taking into account accusations that this started in October/November) then it'll be three to four months before we start getting the acceleration curve which will put it around June/July before things get really fucked up.

The world is MUCH more connected. You mentioned store runs, but with global shipping chains ruling the world, what kind of stock disruption will we see? How many people remember buying vegetables and fruits "in season" instead of having them available all the time at cheap price? Well, when the shipping gets disrupted by ports being shut down and international shipping being disrupted.

And I keep hearing: "Oh, it's no worse than the flu"... well, if that's true: Influenza has a HIGH mortality rate. If you combine the influenza lethality rate to corona-chan's estimated infection amount, you're looking at a LOT bigger body count.

That means even more disruption of the global shipping chains.

What happens when they start doing cordons of American cities? EU cities? What happens if the major ports get shut down to contain the spread?

No, this isn't the 1918 Spanish Influenza.

But this isn't the 1918 world and isn't the 1918 USA.

It's OK to compare them somewhat, but you can't just compare the way things went down to the world nowadays. It's like claiming because your VW Bug has an engine and an F22 has an engine, they both are the same thing.

Sure, it might be just everyone carrying on with their lives, like SARS and Ebola. In that case, fucking good. That's great. I'm glad and I'm happy for everyone.

You hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Are stories detailing "plights" like these counterintel to quell any panic?
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Foreigners stranded in Wuhan by virus tell of fear and rations

Hunkered down at the epicentre of China's virus epidemic and cut off from the world, the remaining foreigners in Wuhan are eking out a life in fear. A coronavirus outbreak that has killed more than 1,300 people and locked down the central Chinese city has left thousands of foreigners trapped as

news.yahoo.com

Foreigners stranded in Wuhan by virus tell of fear and rations

archived 14 Feb 2020 04:01:07 UTC

archive.li

"I decided to go to school in China and am surprised that I am getting *slightly* price gouged during a disaster. The people at Walmart seemed like they had germs. This is unacceptable."

Raquia sounds like a stuck up bitch.

 

[Rudy Russo]

So? How is this breakdown of delivery of goods and services going to happen?

I dont know, ask the people in Wuhan. Maybe they know.

 

[LolNoIPLeaksEvenLMFAO]

I'm going to come back in here and Debbie Down all over this shit.

Learning how to hunt and process game is an awesome skill to have. Having a deer in the freezer for venison steaks and to make chilis and stews is a real treat, but not something I would rely on in a major natural disaster. I get my deer tags every year, but you couldn't fucking catch me trying to tag a deer during a major disaster.

Everybody with two brain cells to rub together and a gun are going to be prowling every square inch of forest for deer, rabbit, coyote, boar, and maybe your dog to turn into dinner. This isn't to say they're going to hunt deer to extinction, but anyone who hunts will tell you the most dangerous aspect of hunting season is the fucking morons who shoot at anything. There is a certain subsection of hunters that could confuse an albino man wearing a blaze orange tracksuit adorned with flashing LED strobes for a mule deer.

Except now nobody gives two fucks about seasons and every dipshit with his AR15 he built will be out there pulling the trigger at anything that moves so they can feed their shut-in teenager some venison tendies. Gunshot wounds in the best of times suck. In a pandemic? Enjoy being back of the line at the hospital.

The solution? Don't put yourself into situations where you could come into possible confrontations with others. Hell, don't get into any sort of situation where you could be injured. Don't go chopping firewood. Don't fire up your chainsaw. Don't decide to take up carpentry. Don't burn open flames in your house. Don't open yourself up to pathogens from wild game. Don't go for long walks in the wood when it's hot as fuck or cold as fuck.

Just take a stay-home vacation and chill. In the remote chance that Corona turns the US into a fucking 1980s apocalyptic anime, don't do things that could end with you hurt: because nobody will be able to tend to your injuries or illness. Store enough water that you don't have to run out and syphon water from a creek: remember that you should already have a reasonable supply of water in your hot water heater. Storing enough water to survive a few months in a house it not shockingly difficult and, to be honest, the water lines would be the absolute last things to go.

Buy dried goods that you can cold soak: Knorr rice sides and instant potatoes are not necessarily the most amazing of foods for you to eat, but you can cold soak them and they taste pretty good. I eat those a lot when I section hike. Buy a propane grill, do your best Hank Hill impression, and use that to cook rice and dried beans.

Edit: and to reiterate none of this shit is going to happen. You're probably not going to have to quietly eat cold Spaghetti-Os in your underwear in the basement so your neighbors don't find out you have food.

yeah it probably won’t but I have the luxury of owning a mountain. I have hidden cameras all around ( there’s some pretty clear no trespassing signs around it) so, if someone does want to try to hunt up here good fucking luck. Also, if you’re that paranoid go ahead and stock pile frozen deer (I do anyways because they fucking produce a lot of meat), can some fruits (already do), and if you’re afraid to go hunting wear body armor? Also I’ve got flir setups on my main hunting rifles (others too) so if some dumbass wants to come up here and shit is actually bad? Yeah they’re not making it.

again, I don’t expect shit to get bad, but figured fuck it vacation time early at the fuck off cabin. If things do go bad well I’m ready just from my life style. If they don’t? That was a nice relaxing time w/ the SO.Again looks like it really only screws Asians up for whatever reason. So, I’m fine anyways.

 

[Rudy Russo]

My boredom got the better of me poking around the John Hopkins tracker. We're all ignoring the CCP numbers, but I was curious to look at the recovery rates in other countries, to get a sense of how Corona Chan is dancing in the real world. Here's what we've got (forgive me, I'm not much of a spreadsheet bitch):

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[Coldgrip]

You're probably not going to have to quietly eat cold Spaghetti-Os in your underwear in the basement so your neighbors don't find out you have food.

Too late.

I'm just kidding. I'd never eat Spaghetti-Os.

 

[Coleslaw]

Census Night is April 1, 2020. How will this affect the census in China and the US?

 

[Jaimas]

If the overreaction is to this degree, I honestly wonder how many people would react to shit like the monster storms we've had hit NY from time to time. Sandy was a fucking apocalyptic beast that knocked power out for weeks in the best areas and tore trees out of the ground like matchsticks. This board probably would have acted like it was Mad Max.

Meanwhile the state as a whole just got really drunk for days at a time (no one could go to work after all) and got on with it.

 

[BONE_Buddy]

Just my two cents on "prepping."

Doing prepping the cheap way, is the right way.

As mentioned before, buy shit you use anyway, and just keep a larger store of it.

If you have a years supply of canned vegetables, once you have build up the stockpile over a period of time, maintaining it should just be the cost of what you eat through. Just go through your oldest stock, and if you are actually eating it, you should have no worries about the age of anything.

Same goes for everything else, if you hate rice, then do not buy a 100lb bag of it. Sure, it could save your life, but in all practicality it would probably waste away in your pantry if you don't use it in say to day life.

As a side note, think about your toiletries. Buy a couple extra bulk packs of your favorite toilet paper. As a last resort (or budgetary measure) look into family rags. Believe me when I tell you, running out of shitter paper and having to use "alternative measures" is not fun.


Secondly, skills that can add to your thriftiness and also your survivability have very little downside. You don't have to do it very often, but being able to do something like making broth from leftover chicken carcass or being able to use the fat runoff from cooking for any number of applications, can make you much handier in normal and abnormal situations.

Being able to change your own tire is an important one. It can save you money in normal circumstances, Roadside service is expensive after all. It can also save you a lot of gnashing of teeth if you pop a tire in a situation which does not permit someone else from easily coming to help you.

Learning how to pile-drive a boar to death is neat, but if it won't help you in day to day life, it is difficult to find time to actually learn.

Along those lines, learn the stuff that you would have to put into action immediately. Having a complete book on first aide doesn't help much if your family member is choking to death on a hotdog.


Thirdly, get to know your neighbors. You probably shouldn't tell them how "totally well prepared you are," but it is much harder for the average person to harm and kill people that they at least know nominally. Who knows, you may find some people who are likeminded. Communities survive much better than individual people/families if things get going rough.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

The thing is, @ColtWalker1847 we don't KNOW what's going to happen.

I don't KNOW the sun isn't going to go into a supernova tomorrow and kill us all either. But I have pretty good idea it won't.

Ever wonder why the Spanish Influenza was so bad? Why it was global?

It's because the world was linked together and was doing massive goods trading and population exchanges during WWI. It wasn't stopped or slowed one bit by it. The distribution chain held. The electrical grid didn't collapse. Goods and services still exchanged.

"But it's different" you say. No. It really isn't. A lineman is still a lineman. They got sick in 1918 too. Their grid didn't fail. Same with train engineers. Warehousemen. Stevedores. Truck drivers. Etc. It all continued to function.

The Spanish fucking Flu, the worst pandemic humanity has faced in the industrial era, did not stop work in core industries. These industries are bigger now but they also have more workers. You are treating this like it's all operated by like one guy and if he gets sick we are all fucked. It isn't. There are millions and millions of people involved in this. If a couple aren't around the others pull an extra shift.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I don't KNOW the sun isn't going to go into a supernova tomorrow and kill us all either. But I have pretty good idea it won't.

Ever wonder why the Spanish Influenza was so bad? Why it was global?

It's because the world was linked together and was doing massive goods trading and population exchanges during WWI. It wasn't stopped or slowed one bit by it. The distribution chain held. The electrical grid didn't collapse. Goods and services still exchanged.

"But it's different" you say. No. It really isn't. A lineman is still a lineman. They got sick in 1918 too. Their grid didn't fail. Same with train engineers. Warehousemen. Stevedores. Truck drivers. Etc. It all continued to function.

The Spanish fucking Flu, the worst pandemic humanity has faced in the industrial era, did not stop work in core industries. These industries are bigger now but they also have more workers. You are treating this like it's all operated by like one guy and if he gets sick we are all fucked. It isn't. There are millions and millions of people involved in this. If a couple aren't around the others pull an extra shift.

More noteworthy is the Spanish Flu is barely a footnote to history today, 100 years later. I'm betting most of the people reading here had never heard of it until this thread. Give some thought to that. Civilization is more resilient than many believe.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I don't KNOW the sun isn't going to go into a supernova tomorrow and kill us all either. But I have pretty good idea it won't.

Ever wonder why the Spanish Influenza was so bad? Why it was global?

It's because the world was linked together and was doing massive goods trading and population exchanges during WWI. It wasn't stopped or slowed one bit by it. The distribution chain held. The electrical grid didn't collapse. Goods and services still exchanged.

"But it's different" you say. No. It really isn't. A lineman is still a lineman. They got sick in 1918 too. Their grid didn't fail. Same with train engineers. Warehousemen. Stevedores. Truck drivers. Etc. It all continued to function.

The Spanish fucking Flu, the worst pandemic humanity has faced in the industrial era, did not stop work in core industries. These industries are bigger now but they also have more workers. You are treating this like it's all operated by like one guy and if he gets sick we are all fucked. It isn't. There are millions and millions of people involved in this. If a couple aren't around the others pull an extra shift.

That's cool if you feel like nothing will happen and everything will be great. That the worst that will happen is the new iPhone Faggot Edition will be late and cost a bit more.

I've heard all the excuses on why having food stocks and shit is stupid. How "This will never happen" or "that will never happen" and that's all fine.

I don't think it is one guy. I also don't believe that everything falls apart as soon as a Pollution Goblin in Portland Oregon sneezes. Nor do I think that it will devolve into Mad Max style bandits roaming the Apocalypse. I don't believe that this will be as bad as the Spanish Influenza epidemic, much less the Black Death.

What I do believe in is keeping stores of food and supplies for disasters. In knowing survival skills and basic first aid.

It's served me well over the years.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If the overreaction is to this degree, I honestly wonder how many people would react to shit like the monster storms we've had hit NY from time to time. Sandy was a fucking apocalyptic beast that knocked power out for weeks in the best areas and tore trees out of the ground like matchsticks. This board probably would have acted like it was Mad Max.

Meanwhile the state as a whole just got really drunk for days at a time (no one could go to work after all) and got on with it.

Electricity was out for three days in 2003 and I was the most popular person in the building because I still had a landline and the phone was working. Everyone just barbecued food that was going to spoil anyway. It was no big deal in the long run. Storms like Sandy knock our power off and outside NYC snowstorms can leave you snowed in for a few days.

I just realized the 2003 blackout was over 16 years ago. I feel old.