Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Otterly]

The fact that this virus has at times shown incredibly random incubation periods, and that it apparently can easily slip past many quarantine measures should be great reasons for alarm.

Damn right. Diseases like this generally follow a fairly constant incubation time. It’s not like HIV or Hep which can progress or not to late stage symptoms over a wide variation. This is more like the flu, or a cold and it should have a reasonably narrow incubation range. A few days either way.
The fact that the incubation times are all screwy Is incredibly concerning and implies that either/mix of:
1. The disease course varies considerably and some people are showing symptoms early while some show milder symptoms and thus appear to be free from disease
2. Transmission chain tracking is incorrect and somebody else has in fact infected that person.
3. quarantine has failed because either a. measures are insufficient or B. other carriers were missed
Option two / 3b mean that either contacts are not being traced properly and you’re getting chain transmission and missing a part of the chain and/or the disease is already circulating in the population.

As far as I know, nobody is testing sentinel samples?
For flu, you have a very well set up testing net, where ‘sentinel samples’ are sent from various centres (hospitals across Europe) of patients who have symptoms that could, possibly, be flu. So those samples are tested and flu shows up early, and you see what strains are out there Circulating. that data informs public health responses.
If I were in a position to do so, I’d be setting up sentinel testing on anyone who has pneumonia requiring hospitalisation and also on random respiratory samples.
I think we are now past the point we were with SARS where we could stamp it out at source. I have to say, I feel concerned as to how bad the impact of this is going to be.

 

[Not Really Here]

Damn right. Diseases like this generally follow a fairly constant incubation time. It’s not like HIV or Hep which can progress or not to late stage symptoms over a wide variation. This is more like the flu, or a cold and it should have a reasonably narrow incubation range. A few days either way.
The fact that the incubation times are all screwy Is incredibly concerning and implies that either/mix of:
1. The disease course varies considerably and some people are showing symptoms early while some show milder symptoms and thus appear to be free from disease
2. Transmission chain tracking is incorrect and somebody else has in fact infected that person.
3. quarantine has failed because either a. measures are insufficient or B. other carriers were missed
Option two / 3b mean that either contacts are not being traced properly and you’re getting chain transmission and missing a part of the chain and/or the disease is already circulating in the population.

As far as I know, nobody is testing sentinel samples?
For flu, you have a very well set up testing net, where ‘sentinel samples’ are sent from various centres (hospitals across Europe) of patients who have symptoms that could, possibly, be flu. So those samples are tested and flu shows up early, and you see what strains are out there Circulating. that data informs public health responses.
If I were in a position to do so, I’d be setting up sentinel testing on anyone who has pneumonia requiring hospitalisation and also on random respiratory samples.
I think we are now past the point we were with SARS where we could stamp it out at source. I have to say, I feel concerned as to how bad the impact of this is going to be.

4. Reinfection is occurring but not being recognized/recorded as such and causing a number of the most serious cases and home deaths.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

> Egypt

So, only South America is free of Corona-chan?

Who would have thought we won Plague.

 

[Not Really Here]

> Egypt

So, only South America is free of Corona-chan?

Who would have thought we won Plague.

Would anyone notice if it was ravaging Venezuela?
They literally have a bus driver running their country.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Would anyone notice if it was ravaging Venezuela?
They literally have a bus driver running their country.

He's so vindictive he's put restrictions to enter his country. Joke's on us, I guess.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

> Egypt

So, only South America is free of Corona-chan?

Who would have thought we won Plague.

It's still got to get to Sub Sahara Africa before things get interesting there.

 

[AltisticRight]

4,000 years of culture that survived even Genghis Khan was taken down by the political/economic theory of a German living in the UK who had problems bathing.
They got turned into a nation of thieves by the ramblings of a UK migrant NEET whos children all joined cults and committed suicide.

I personally CAN'T have a lower regard for them if I tried.

TL;DR The Japanese did nothing wrong in China.

I know you're being ironic, but the Japanese also did numerous gruesome human experiments on citizens of the west, such as vivisection on captured American soldiers and concentrations camps for Australians. What their military did in WW2 is inexcusable. Not saying the nuking or firebombing is, such acts on innocent people from any government should never be condoned and it's wrong no matter who the perpetrator is or how much you dislike certain countries that got the shorter end. That's also not saying Japanese today should be held accountable, they shouldn't, it has fuck all to do with them, the same goes with Germans who are indoctrinated with "Nazi guilt" from youth. Acknowledge it, don't do it again, and get the fuck over it. War is shit, shit stuff happens during war.

Throughout the dynasties, China hasn't changed much. There's about 5 years of real communism that killed likely 60+ million, it's not like the Chinese didn't have disgusting wet markets and fucked up urge of eating anything sentient before communism. Thievery and scamming has always been a thing too, that's why Chinese merchants are typically portrayed in the same fashion as Jews, throughout history (both portrayals are fucking accurate as well). Communism is a shit ideology that's disastrous, but I won't say it had much of an impact on the country's cultural practices. There's numerous ancient text and paintings citing how delicious fucking disease riddled creatures such as mice and civets are.

That said, China's stupid censorious laws assisted the virus in spreading. The virus just so happens to spawn near CNY is another factor as well. All this combined made the virus explode. Best quarantine chance is gone, massive flow of people, politicians being useless... or just China being typically China. One might be willing to argue that have the KMT won the civil war, this wouldn't happen. Not absolutely sure since it could go both ways. Taiwanese get visits from the police/government agents for saying naughty shit as well, it's fucking dumb no matter who does it, and it seems the chinks, along with eurofags and Bongistanis are the best at such retarded practices.

It's not like they didn't bring those here, btw. The Sun Bright Hotel in NYC is pretty close. Although I think public outcry led to them finally renovate. There's more than one of these flophouses in the city iirc (found when I was binging on bad hotel reviews).
ETA: Looked them up, permanently closed, along with The Whitehouse, another skeevy place. Good to see they've been taken care of.

$10 a night, that's gross. I'd rather sleep in a fucking mall or bus stop.
The capitalism in me says it's just supply and demand, but fucking hell, the place is infested with all kinds of vermin. It's fine with me if they actually cleaned the place, if there's fucking standards. $10 big deal, good for a backpacker on a budget. But no, it's basically a gas chamber with a ticking time bomb inside. I won't mind living in such a cubical for a couple nights when I travel if it's clean. I'd rather sleep in a construction pipe.
"Near Chinatown", is the owner some slant merchant? I'm going to bet he has Brock eyes.

 

[Not Really Here]

I know you're being ironic,

Nope.

but the Japanese also did numerous gruesome human experiments on citizens of the west, such as vivisection on captured American soldiers and concentrations camps for Australians. What their military did in WW2 is inexcusable. Not saying the nuking or firebombing is, such acts on innocent people from any government should never be condoned and it's wrong no matter who the perpetrator is or how much you dislike certain countries that got the shorter end. That's also not saying Japanese today should be held accountable, they shouldn't, it has fuck all to do with them, the same goes with Germans who are indoctrinated with "Nazi guilt" from youth. Acknowledge it, don't do it again, and get the fuck over it. War is shit, shit stuff happens during war.

Translation-"They did things common throughout human history and I wish to signal My moral superiority by denouncing them."

Throughout the dynasties, China hasn't changed much. There's about 5 years of real communism that killed likely 60+ million, it's not like the Chinese didn't have disgusting wet markets and fucked up urge of eating anything sentient before communism. Thievery and scamming has always been a thing too, that's why Chinese merchants are typically portrayed in the same fashion as Jews, throughout history (both portrayals are fucking accurate as well). Communism is a shit ideology that's disastrous, but I won't say it had much of an impact on the country's cultural practices. There's numerous ancient text and paintings citing how delicious fucking disease riddled creatures such as mice and civets are.

I'm sure that openly stealing trillions of dollars of property from everyone else in the world on a yearly basis has "always been a thing too".

 

[AltisticRight]

I'm sure that openly stealing trillions of dollars of property from everyone else in the world on a yearly basis has "always been a thing too".

Yeah. Ever heard of colonies? China had a bunch throughout the dynasties. These colonies must pay food and money to the "central kingdom" periodically. That's stealing in my book, it's coercion.

Not sure what you're referring to either way, you're being incredibly ambiguous, is it the way they control their currency or how they don't give a shit about IP and let people make inferior replicas? I don't give two shits about IP and playing with currency is superpower circlejerking, neither I would call stealing. That's about enough off-topic shit from me.

44yo female following "People's Daily's" claim of some useless TCM crap called 雙黃連 being able to resist the virus, goes out on the 2nd of Feb to buy the thing, now diagnosed with the virus.
PD is now referred to as "fuck the people newspaper".
Explanation:
People's Daily = 人民日報
人民 being people and 日報 meaning daily newspaper.
However, 日 also means fuck, so inverting the syntax turns PD into 日-人民報 meaning fuck the people, lol.
Imagine being so gullible, believing a word in that shitty newspaper.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

Translation-"They did things common throughout human history and I wish to signal My moral superiority by denouncing them."

Yeah, forced vivisection of POWs is a totally normal occurrence and was totally never frowned upon ever in human history.

Jeez, dude, cutting open people while they're awake is totally common in our history. Why do you have your panties all in a twist?

 

[mr.moon1488]

Chinese are hurrying to repair their glorious monument to central planning. Good job construction Kiwis, you nailed what would happen after the first sign of bad weather.

全智胜 on Twitter

“中國速度，中國質量！ 估計打著雨傘、穿著雨衣在醫院才能看病！ https://t.co/jlS0GJqrmh”

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Inb4 electrocution article.

 

[Shugo]

Imagine being so gullible, believing a word in that shitty newspaper.

I don't blame her that much. If she didn't believe in it openly, she would lose social credit points. I imagine it's hard to get into the mindset of someone born into a society where you will get sent to a gulag if you disagree with the party.

Plus she's a girl and girls are stupid.

concentrations camps for Australians

How is this an example of an act of horror? That they released them after the war?

 

[Otterly]

4. Reinfection is occurring but not being recognized/recorded as such and causing a number of the most serious cases and home deaths.

Yes - agree completely. It’s also possible that people are still contagious after recovery. Plenty of viruses do this - any of the viruses that cause hand foot and mouth can be shed in faeces for weeks after. Zika amd Ebola are sexually transmissible months after recovery.
There’s a gap in our understanding of how this is getting around. And of course that’s normal for a new emergent disease. The diseases we are familiar with have been studied for a very long time and still sometimes surprise us.

 

[cruisecontrol4cool]

BNO Newsroom tweet
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So Cambodia welcomed that cruise ship full of potentially wu flu exposed people with handshakes and crowds of well wishers and shit, now someone's tested positive.
No good deed goes unpunished. Cambodia's a pretty poor country that relies on aid to fund their healthcare iirc. Not to mention the thousands of people it could've spread to/from that are now in airports across the planet. Whoops.
Thank you Dr Purr very cool.

 

[Not Really Here]

Yes - agree completely. It’s also possible that people are still contagious after recovery. Plenty of viruses do this - any of the viruses that cause hand foot and mouth can be shed in faeces for weeks after. Zika and Ebola are sexually transmissible months after recovery.
There’s a gap in our understanding of how this is getting around. And of course that’s normal for a new emergent disease. The diseases we are familiar with have been studied for a very long time and still sometimes surprise us.

The lack of accurate information is going to cause a major issue at some point with either this or future outbreaks.
At some point a Corona virus will mutate with a higher reinfection rate and wipe out a few hundred million people. The culture of censorship combined with the info segregation (great firewall of China) is a perfect breeding ground for pandemic spawn points.
And that ignores the truly amazing(sarc) sanitation procedures in Asia.

 

[JosephStalin]

What's the point of that? Masks I can understand others hoarding, but tampons seems like they're being petty as hell or that they're being really ignorant.

Cling wrap? Gnarly! Far as I know, cling wrap soaks up nothing. It's plastic wrap.

Inb4 electrocution article.

Heck, if it's that bad inside, need to see with it's like outside. Suspect drainage is also lacking. So we likely have are sick people having to go maybe a couple of hundred yards through water and mud to get to the toilet. Really want to see what conditions are like in the death houses now, if place is being kept clean, linen regularly changed, etc. Suspect things are not being taken care of. "We built the building fast! What! We also have to take care of these people, clean up after them, clean the place up? Whoa!"

Sad to say, required no stretch of the imagination to expect these buildings to be as fucked up as they are. Makes China once again look like a bunch of fools to the world.

Keep praying for the sick and those locked away, whether in their homes, the death houses, or whatever. God help them because it seems like nobody else can or will.

 

[BONE_Buddy]

New North Korean news

Jeongmin Kim on Twitter

“Rodong Sinmun today telling North Koreans *not* to eat meals with their family members and stay 1.5m away from others to prevent coronavirus infection”

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Birthday of Kim Jong-Il coming up, If no celebration, something would be seriously weird.

NorthKoreaRealTime on Twitter

“If Sunday passes with no special demonstration as in the past or no appearance of Kim Jong Un then, in my opinion, there is something seriously wrong happening in North Korea, e.g, Coronavirus https://t.co/xriMytXd53”

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U.S. ready to allow North Korea sanctions exemption to combat coronavirus

U.S. ready to allow North Korea sanctions exemption to combat coronavirus : The Asahi Shimbun

Spoiler: TL ; DR: US is ready to give North Korea some sanctions relief. If they admit that they are wrecked by the Coronavirus

WASHINGTON/SEOUL--The United States is "deeply concerned" about the possible impact of a coronavirus outbreak in North Korea and is prepared to facilitate efforts by U.S. and international organizations contain the spread of the virus there, the State Department said on Thursday.

"We strongly support and encourage the work of U.S. and international aid and health organizations to counter and contain the spread of coronavirus in the DPRK," spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus said after the Red Cross called for an urgent exemption to sanctions on Pyongyang to help prevent a coronavirus outbreak.

"The United States is ready and prepared to expeditiously facilitate the approval of assistance from these organizations," Ortagus added in a statement.

The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies said earlier that a sanctions exemption allowing for a bank transfer to the IFRC country office in North Korea was "essential as a life-saving intervention."

It said there was an urgent need for personal protective gear and testing kits to prepare for a possible outbreak in North Korea, which borders China where the virus was first identified.

International sanctions bar a wide range of business, trade, and other interactions with North Korea. The sanctions were imposed over the country’s nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs, which were developed in defiance of U.N. Security Council resolutions.

The United States has led international efforts to push North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons but has failed to persuade the North Koreans to return to the negotiating table after they walked away from talks in Stockholm in October.

The talks have stalled since last year over an inability to reconcile North Korea's demands for sanctions relief and other concessions and U.S. demands for North Korea to denuclearize.

North Korea has not confirmed any cases of the new coronavirus, but state media said the government was extending the quarantine period for people showing symptoms to 30 days, and all government institutions and foreigners living in the country were expected to comply "unconditionally."

Already one of the most closed-off countries in the world, North Korea has stopped airline flights and train service with its neighbors, established weeks-long mandatory quarantines for recently arrived foreigners, suspended international tourism, and imposed a near-complete lockdown on cross-border travel.

Some South Korean media outlets have reported multiple cases and possible deaths from the virus in North Korea, but World Health Organization officials based in Pyongyang told Voice of America that they have not been notified of any confirmed cases.

According to the IFRC, its branch in North Korea had mobilized 500 volunteers, and was the only aid organization with access to the four provinces closest to the border with China.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

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I don't.

Should we ask the Uyghurs?
I said I have a low opinion of the Chinese and the China sperg just had to justify the Chinese position up to and including handwaving away the Gypsylike theft of everything they can get their hands on rather than just rating it dumb and moving on.

Dude, you know what, you're right. When I think CCP Chinaman shill, I definitely think @AltisticRight.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

It is so tough to gauge severity here. With the Chinese government being a bunch of incompetent heavy-handed liars and the Chinese people, knowing this, panicking and resorting to goofy alternative measures. Then the government adopts them because it makes it look like they are doing something. Which increases severity. Then the cycle continues.

This is the place where they had a famine caused by forcing peasant farmers to smelt pig iron instead of growing food and their response was to kill all the sparrows because they "are public animals of capitalism". Then the locusts came. It got really stupid.

 

[Shugo]

The most dipshit thing I remember hearing was, no one was "confirmed" with the COVID 19 on this cruise ship that got refused port. Of course there were no confirmed cases, how would a cruise ship's medical facilities have the capability to test for a newly discovered virus while at sea and being denied port?

Thank you Cambodia, very cool for spreading the plague.