[16-Jan-2020] DarksydePhil is filing for bankruptcy (general thread) - and has officially done so on January 31 2020, meaning a lot of his finances have become public

What will happen with his case following the 341 meeting?

  • Still gets Chapter 7

    Votes: 126 18.1%
  • Changed to Chapter 13 and ultimately fails to make his required payments

    Votes: 218 31.3%
  • Chapter 13 and successfully completed all payments

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Complete dismissal of the bankruptcy

    Votes: 334 47.9%

  • Total voters
    697
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I can't wait to see the stream the day after that happens.

"Nothing I could do dood! Detractors screwed me over repeatedly. They're complete idiots!"
Well, you can bet for sure he'll cry about how mentally I'll detractors showed up to the hearing and put his wife and child in danger, and we should be sent to prison for life. Except Tevin, he gets the noose because hes black and the ring leader.
 
Well, you can bet for sure he'll cry about how mentally I'll detractors showed up to the hearing and put his wife and child in danger, and we should be sent to prison for life. Except Tevin, he gets the noose because hes black and the ring leader.
I'd bet Phil will completely ignore talking about it and ban everyone slightly mentioning his court date. Phil can't lie and tell us dumb delusions like the judge agreed with him that he did nothing wrong and loves his khantent, he knows us autists will get the audio/written record of the meeting. Unless it's a total disaster for him where the case gets dismissed and creditor(s) want that WAkhando money right now, in which he'll be begging and pleading like we've never seen.
 
So, i've looked into bankruptcy a bit, and Depending on how his income/expenses shake out he might get away with his house and no unsecured debt. So, basically, if you take out as many credit cards as possible and take a bunch of lavish trips you can just not pay it back. Hey kids, buy a house and a car then rack up as much credit card debt as possible since it doesn't seem to matter at all.
 
I think there's a hold on debtors until the bankruptcy either moves forward or is thrown out. So debtors are prevented from contacting Dave about his debts until then.
 
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Experts: if Phil's bankruptcy gets dismissed but he's able to resubmit, what can happen with Midfirst Bank and the CT foreclosure meanwhile? Can they jump back in and start foreclosing or would the resubmitted bankruptcy just bring us back where we started?
He has to wait 180 days to file again. If his case gets thrown out the automatic stay against law suits from creditors goes away, and I'm pretty sure even upon re-filing there would be no automatic stay as it's within too short a time period. This is to prevent serial filers from abusing this aspect of the bankruptcy system.
 
So, i've looked into bankruptcy a bit, and Depending on how his income/expenses shake out he might get away with his house and no unsecured debt. So, basically, if you take out as many credit cards as possible and take a bunch of lavish trips you can just not pay it back. Hey kids, buy a house and a car then rack up as much credit card debt as possible since it doesn't seem to matter at all.
It's going to be somewhere in the middle. He's NOT getting out of all his debts without a harsh payment plan and POSSIBLY losing his Washington condo, but he's also not going to (nonexistent) debtor's prison or being convicted of perjury.
 
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I think people are severely underestimating the competency of judges and trustees presiding over such proceedings. They are not bumbling buffoons who'll quickly scan the document, say "yep, alright, looks good," rubberstamp it and move on to the next one. Their careers, jobs, and integrity rely on bleeding people who apply for bankruptcy and at least implement some level of accountability for getting yourself in such a situation to make sure you never get back into such predicament ever again.

There's almost some kind of weird trauma on the Farms that since Phil has "survived" so many things that would have defeated other people, he's untouchable or almost unkillable regardless of what he does. Therefore people have become very risk-averse to be optimistic when it comes to Phil and any consequences that could happen to him. It would be presumptuous of me to claim I don't share the same doubts but regarding this situation, I don't see how Phil gets out of this unscathed and a winner.

This fat fucking loser befuddled a document that nobody can make any sense out of, that predicates any type of common sense to be thrown out of the window, and relies on completely weird circumstances to make it work and magically make him barely qualify for all those maximum exemptions. "The reason I don't have money in my PayPaL accounts, dood, is because I have to pay bills at the end of the month! Of course there's no money in it!" Nobody worth their salt whose job is to inspect such claims would inspect it at face value and not require verifiable documentation that prove what he's claiming.

I believe that Phil's nonchalant attitude also seems to be throwing people off that maybe he knows something we don't and he's going into these proceedings more prepared than we attribute it. I personally believe Phil doesn't understand the gravity of what filing bankruptcy actually means as demonstrated by the multiple instances where he claims that simply filing the document, attending the court date, walking out of it with a Good Boy certificate will solve all his financial issues. I think he's genuinely fucked for this one and am hoping he will be forced onto Chapter 13 and be made to bled out for 3-5 years. Which, for sure, he will fuck up. You don't magically resolve your financial irresponsibility overnight and this could be the worst case scenario for Phil.

I am hopeful for this one and we're going to get some great drama out of this.
 
I think people are severely underestimating the competency of judges and trustees presiding over such proceedings. They are not bumbling buffoons who'll quickly scan the document, say "yep, alright, looks good," rubberstamp it and move on to the next one. Their careers, jobs, and integrity rely on bleeding people who apply for bankruptcy and at least implement some level of accountability for getting yourself in such a situation to make sure you never get back into such predicament ever again.

There's almost some kind of weird trauma on the Farms that since Phil has "survived" so many things that would have defeated other people, he's untouchable or almost unkillable regardless of what he does. Therefore people have become very risk-averse to be optimistic when it comes to Phil and any consequences that could happen to him. It would be presumptuous of me to claim I don't share the same doubts but regarding this situation, I don't see how Phil gets out of this unscathed and a winner.

This fat fucking loser befuddled a document that nobody can make any sense out of, that predicates any type of common sense to be thrown out of the window, and relies on completely weird circumstances to make it work and magically make him barely qualify for all those maximum exemptions. "The reason I don't have money in my PayPaL accounts, dood, is because I have to pay bills at the end of the month! Of course there's no money in it!" Nobody worth their salt whose job is to inspect such claims would inspect it at face value and not require verifiable documentation that prove what he's claiming.

I believe that Phil's nonchalant attitude also seems to be throwing people off that maybe he knows something we don't and he's going into these proceedings more prepared than we attribute it. I personally believe Phil doesn't understand the gravity of what filing bankruptcy actually means as demonstrated by the multiple instances where he claims that simply filing the document, attending the court date, walking out of it with a Good Boy certificate will solve all his financial issues. I think he's genuinely fucked for this one and am hoping he will be forced onto Chapter 13 and be made to bled out for 3-5 years. Which, for sure, he will fuck up. You don't magically resolve your financial irresponsibility overnight and this could be the worst case scenario for Phil.

I am hopeful for this one and we're going to get some great drama out of this.

the only thing that could harm him before bankruptcy is if he doesn't change his spending habits, which he hasn't

if he gets out unscathed, he could lose his twitch income overnight and then lose his house, even though his application has multiple lies on it, I don't see anything happening
 
It's not that I doubt the competency of judges. The trustee handling Phil's case has an impressive resume with tons of experience.

It's that there's limited time and resources put into something like Phil's bankruptcy. Things slip past the cracks all the time, which we've seen in other more important cases noted on this site, and probably in many of our own lives.
 
I've only done a bit of research, but it sounds like the Wakahndo is off limits because it's his home where he lives. The only thing they can do is force a higher repayment if his equity is higher than the exemption. He'll probably be on the hook for the CT Kahndo, but I'm concerned that his credit card debt will get entirely forgiven. Maybe Dave will be forced to auction off the statues and extra furniture, but they won't force him to lose his couch, tv, cell phone, etc.

It's not that I doubt the competency of judges. The trustee handling Phil's case has an impressive resume with tons of experience.

It's that there's limited time and resources put into something like Phil's bankruptcy. Things slip past the cracks all the time, which we've seen in other more important cases noted on this site, and probably in many of our own lives.

My concern is that they will just do some math and if it passes a sniff test then it gets rubber stamped.
 
I think people are severely underestimating the competency of judges and trustees presiding over such proceedings. They are not bumbling buffoons who'll quickly scan the document, say "yep, alright, looks good," rubberstamp it and move on to the next one. Their careers, jobs, and integrity rely on bleeding people who apply for bankruptcy and at least implement some level of accountability for getting yourself in such a situation to make sure you never get back into such predicament ever again.

There's almost some kind of weird trauma on the Farms that since Phil has "survived" so many things that would have defeated other people, he's untouchable or almost unkillable regardless of what he does. Therefore people have become very risk-averse to be optimistic when it comes to Phil and any consequences that could happen to him. It would be presumptuous of me to claim I don't share the same doubts but regarding this situation, I don't see how Phil gets out of this unscathed and a winner.

This fat fucking loser befuddled a document that nobody can make any sense out of, that predicates any type of common sense to be thrown out of the window, and relies on completely weird circumstances to make it work and magically make him barely qualify for all those maximum exemptions. "The reason I don't have money in my PayPaL accounts, dood, is because I have to pay bills at the end of the month! Of course there's no money in it!" Nobody worth their salt whose job is to inspect such claims would inspect it at face value and not require verifiable documentation that prove what he's claiming.

I believe that Phil's nonchalant attitude also seems to be throwing people off that maybe he knows something we don't and he's going into these proceedings more prepared than we attribute it. I personally believe Phil doesn't understand the gravity of what filing bankruptcy actually means as demonstrated by the multiple instances where he claims that simply filing the document, attending the court date, walking out of it with a Good Boy certificate will solve all his financial issues. I think he's genuinely fucked for this one and am hoping he will be forced onto Chapter 13 and be made to bled out for 3-5 years. Which, for sure, he will fuck up. You don't magically resolve your financial irresponsibility overnight and this could be the worst case scenario for Phil.

I am hopeful for this one and we're going to get some great drama out of this.
To be fair, a lot of kiwis have become disenfranchised with judges/court because of the thicc lasagna case over in the weeb wars subforum.
 
I think people are severely underestimating the competency of judges and trustees presiding over such proceedings.

I wouldn't question the honesty or competence of the judges at all.

What does concern me is that it's fair to say that "reasonable" business expenses vary with the business. We can look at Phil and we know he can't possibly be spending $5k / month on his streams. But a judge who has a life might not realize that, and I'm not sure who he'd go to to talk about it. Let's hope there's at least one person involved who can raise a red flag there.
 
I wouldn't question the honesty or competence of the judges at all.

What does concern me is that it's fair to say that "reasonable" business expenses vary with the business. We can look at Phil and we know he can't possibly be spending $5k / month on his streams. But a judge who has a life might not realize that, and I'm not sure who he'd go to to talk about it. Let's hope there's at least one person involved who can raise a red flag there.

The judge may have a life but bankruptcy court is specialized, so this is their life, from 9-5, and Phil is by no means the first person to try and fudge the perspective of their situation. It’s like thinking you can lie about brushing your teeth to a dentist.
 
I wouldn't question the honesty or competence of the judges at all.

What does concern me is that it's fair to say that "reasonable" business expenses vary with the business. We can look at Phil and we know he can't possibly be spending $5k / month on his streams. But a judge who has a life might not realize that, and I'm not sure who he'd go to to talk about it. Let's hope there's at least one person involved who can raise a red flag there.

Business expenses have a very clear definition and a precise context under which they must be used. This is a bankruptcy filing, not a tax filing where you can befuddle and obstruct visibility into your happenings clearly enough where you can make it seem that revenue distribution between partners can be considered a business expense since this money could be reinvested in the business.

If you derive money from your business to pay your mortgage, that's a personal expense. If you derive money from your business to pay for your groceries, that's a personal expense.

Usually, you have a bank account solely dedicated to your business and I'm not sure if Phil's PayPal has been qualified a PayPal Business Account. If he hasn't, then there is a complete merging of his business expenses and personal expenses that would absolutely require more scrutiny because you don't know if he's acting in good faith or no when it comes to the money he generates.

Plus, what exactly is content creation? In Phil's case, you capture videogame footage while videotaping yourself live and providing some type of commentary as you're capturing such footage. Anything not directly spent to improve such an experience is not a business expense, it becomes a personal expense.

If I was the judge presiding this filing, I would be extremely skeptical of such incurred expenses without understanding the nature of what you're doing first. And given the fact that "content creator" is a nebulous, undefined term, it will bring unwanted scrutiny from a third-party that has no idea what it is and how business expenses are applied onto such a profession.

Remember that the law has traditionally defined boundaries, and regardless or not if a job does not fit a standard, they will make it fit that standard so there are a set of rules on which they can apply it to.

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EDIT: I'm going to powerlevel here a bit and explain something personal in regards to business expense.

I own a few businesses and every quarter, my partners and I perform a revenue share -- a distribution of profits on a quarterly basis.

That money sits in our business bank account and is then transferred (via wire or check, mostly check) into my personal account once we figure out what amounts the revenue share can be performed upon.

The moment that money is transferred into my account, it's exempt from any sort of business expense. Example: if I use part of that money to pay my rent, that's a personal expense and I can't go back and claim that as a business expense.

But that's exactly what he's doing: he's claiming that any money he has generated from Burnell Productions and then spent in any capacity is a business expense related to making his business work. Of course I could make the wonky, idiotic, almost insulting argument that without a fixed domicile I couldn't manage my businesses, but under the law, this won't fly. The moment an expense is incurred for personal reasons unrelated to making your business work, it cannot be counted as a business expense.
 
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But that's exactly what he's doing: he's claiming that any money he generates from Burnell Productions is a business expense related to making his business work. Of course I could make the wonky, idiotic, almost insulting argument that without a fixed domicile I couldn't manage my businesses, but under the law, this won't fly. The moment an expense is incurred for personal reasons unrelated to making your business work, it cannot be counted as a business expense.

So, educated guess, what types of things could he be (reasonably) claiming as business expenses that we're not thinking of? Games and equipment are obvious, but he's not purchased any equipment of his own volition since 2017 or 2018 (assuming PS4 Pro and 4K TV were actually gifts). Presumably a fractional amount of the mortgage and electricity as well for the "home office". One of the internet lines that he could classify as "for the business", but not both. The website/forums. Outside of that, what are we missing?
 
So, educated guess, what types of things could he be (reasonably) claiming as business expenses that we're not thinking of?

I would be astonished if Phil actually made a list of "business expenses."

It's more likely he took his gross income, compared it to the maximum income allowable under Chapter 7, and entered the difference as "Business Expenses."
 
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