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Once again, we are "treated" to check out another death house. Once again, all the beds are head-to-head, cheek by jowl. Wonder about the water/toilets/laundry/etc. Looks nice, not going to be worth anything more than a place where only the strongest survive. What the fuck.
It’s also the best way to select for strains that spread faster and cause more severe infection, and send them out into the general population. Get a load of people together who may or may not have the virus, put them in a place where they can share air food and water and watch as the more severe strains go through the assembled test subjects, I mean patients, and out via poor quarantine, or people going through the hospital.
Well done China. Well done. Handling this brilliantly.
 
Well 2 mini bottles of vodka in its dawned on me shit I'm in Singapore what if someone died in the room before me?
Corona Chan please don't rape me.
WHY ARE YOU NOT RUNNING AWAY WOMAN, THERE AIN'T NO AMOUNT OF COIN LARGE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THAT SHIT!

Jokes aside I would be so paranoid in your position. But hey, worst case scenario, it's a pneumonia virus, so if you feel anything tell the apropiate authorities (in your country of origin) and it should be fine unless they're as incompetent as the CCP. Your boss' idea of tellung you to stay for longer for fear of infection is fucking retarded though. You should be getting the hell out of that shithole as soon as you can, the most likely source of infection is the cleaning ladies and air conducts not the meeting so the longer you're there the more likely it gets.
 
WHY ARE YOU NOT RUNNING AWAY WOMAN, THERE AIN'T NO AMOUNT OF COIN LARGE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THAT SHIT!

Jokes aside I would be so paranoid in your position. But hey, worst case scenario, it's a pneumonia virus, so if you feel anything tell the apropiate authorities (in your country of origin) and it should be fine unless they're as incompetent as the CCP. Your boss' idea of tellung you to stay for longer for fear of infection is fucking exceptional though. You should be getting the hell out of that shithole as soon as you can, the most likely source of infection is the cleaning ladies and air conducts not the meeting so the longer you're there the more likely it gets.
my boss sent me and I worked my ass off to get to where I am. basically it's 2 meetings for my branch of hospitals to get more info on da wu flu. As much as I'd like to leave it could help my local area better prepare and save lives. I'm just the idiot that didn't say no to my bosses request.
As for pneumonia if I get it I'm not coming back to USA I'm opting to be quarantined in Singapore because I'm not bringing that shit home. So either I tough it out and or live and return or I die and my ashes come back.
 
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Probably a good way of spreading plenty of bacterial contaminants, though.
Just a friendly reminder that it's not exactly always the flu or pneumonia that kills people; it's other infections doing exceptional damage while your body is weak. I always thought homeopathy was one of the next best culling methods after natural selection.

kept sterilized and separate as a lab material
To think that China would only be using a refined, lab-made version of this shit and not peoples' kitchen trash en masse is incredibly optimistic and giving them way too much credit.
 
Can any ex-milfags or MRE consoomers share their opinion on what the more edible MRE menus are?

The same people who make MilMREs make consumer versions, they come in clear plastic instead of the military brown/green and dont' come with the heater (some do tho) or toilet paper, coffee.
Sure-Pak was pretty good, but i like chef boyardee and dinty moore beef stew ymmv. the pound cakes are ok, i hate all the fruit cobbler because it's just bits of fruit in heavy syrup, That Power apple sauce is pretty good.

I'd avoid the various patty sandwhich things, those things suck dick. mostly bread with a tea spoon of wet dog food in the middle.
 
would it be considered power level if I post the videos of some dude being carried out in a body bag with a hazmat clad guys just down the hall from me? Apparently some dude died a day after check out for them and the hotel staff are giving out freebies to sort of apologize for the issue. I got free mini bar for the rest of my stay.

Chances are they stock the minibar using the same outfit that makes their magic toilet wine cleaning enzyme. You know, like the minibars in Dominican Republic Hotels.
 
It’s also the best way to select for strains that spread faster and cause more severe infection, and send them out into the general population. Get a load of people together who may or may not have the virus, put them in a place where they can share air food and water and watch as the more severe strains go through the assembled test subjects, I mean patients, and out via poor quarantine, or people going through the hospital.
Well done China. Well done. Handling this brilliantly.

Don't even flex on Asia. They've handled this terribly but what the fuck is the UK doing.

Y'all got Heathrow Hotel filled with carriers while we're shipping them off to military bases and holding them in iso.
 
Can any ex-milfags or MRE consoomers share their opinion on what the more edible MRE menus are?
All of the pastas are great but with the Tortellini you might have to add salt to your liking as it can sometimes be stale.
The Beef Patty with Jalapeño is also great, mind the spiciness if you're not use to it (I felt dehydrated), works well with bread and crackers. I'm not from the military but I had access to some MREs after a disaster.

Japanese doctor talks about Diamond Princess being a COVID-19 mill
(Links aren't embedding for some reason, my bad.)

https://twitter.com/bluemoon6565/status/1230055547199557633

https://archive.ph/TEtbc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vtHYZkLuKcI
 
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Can any ex-milfags or MRE consoomers share their opinion on what the more edible MRE menus are?
The US military ones are honestly the best but they've shot up in price recently (shocking). The best civilian ones I've tried are XMRE, but they're quite expensive and they have a tendency to put the same side in every meal in the box, which gets old fast. Sopacko ones are also decent since they're one of the actual MRE suppliers for the military, but some of them are weirdly bootleg in a way that's hard to explain.

- t. Civilian MRE Sperg
 
my boss sent me and I worked my ass off to get to where I am. basically it's 2 meetings for my branch of hospitals to get more info on da wu flu. As much as I'd like to leave it could help my local area better prepare and save lives. I'm just the idiot that didn't say no to my bosses request.
As for pneumonia if I get it I'm not coming back to USA I'm opting to be quarantined in Singapore because I'm not bringing that shit home. So either I tough it out and or live and return or I die and my ashes come back.

The first part I understand (though honestly this thread and some online tutorials on quarantine procedures would probably suffice. All aerosol viri are contained the same really), the second I must urge you to reconsider. If handled properly you will bring no real risk to the USA and they will likely be able to protect you much better. Even if you don't do it for yourself, in Singapur you're running the risk of containing others due to bad air maintenance and cleaning protocols, and any spread of the virus makes it more likely to get to the US. Bringing you home under proper procedure is much safer for everyone so lomg ss you're not one of those crazy bitches that tries to run away, and you're clearly not.

Just a friendly reminder that it's not exactly always the flu or pneumonia that kills people; it's other infections doing exceptional damage while your body is weak. I always thought homeopathy was one of the next best culling methods after natural selection.


To think that China would only be using a refined, lab-made version of this shit and not peoples' kitchen trash en masse is incredibly optimistic and giving them way too much credit.

Sadly I have to agree. I still find it baffling because here the reason why we DON'T use kitchen trash isn't really to protect anyone but just to protect the sample from contamination. But knowing china... *sigh* seriously how can anyone trust any data coming from them knowing how poorly the experiments are conducted? It's a nightmare, not due to the lax security, not due to the autist in me screeching in rage, just due to the student that knows what contaminants are and how important it is to make sure your samples don't get them. This isn't just bad medicine, it's bad science, and I find that so sobberingly depressing.
 
A blogpost from one of my favorite blogs:



Chinese lung tissue seems to be receptive to coronaviruses, perhaps because frequent mild infections stimulate the immune system to protect against more serious pulmonary infections, like pneumonia and tuberculosis. This may be why China escaped the ravages of the Spanish flu in 1918. Have modern measures for public health opened a Pandora's box in China? (Wikipedia – CDC)



Are Chinese people more vulnerable than others to the Wuhan coronavirus? The question is raised by Zhao et al. (2020), who examined lung tissues from several donors and studied a receptor that acts as the point of entry for some coronaviruses, including the ones responsible for the SARS outbreak of 2002-2003 and the ongoing outbreak in Wuhan, China. They found that the receptor was concentrated in cells that promote viral reproduction and transmission. They also found that the number of these cells in lung tissue varied with ethnic origin:

A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung. We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.

This study is a preprint and has not yet been peer-reviewed, a fact highlighted in a notice placed above the online paper:

bioRxiv is receiving many new papers on coronavirus 2019-nCoV. A reminder: these are preliminary reports that have not been peer-reviewed. They should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or be reported in news media as established information.

I often consult bioRxiv, and this is the first time I've seen such a notice. It's not as if this study has been widely publicized in the mainstream media.

A peer reviewer would make the same criticism that the authors themselves make: the sample size is small. In fact, there was only one Asian in the entire sample. Nevertheless, sampling error cannot easily explain the five-fold difference between the Asian donor and the non-Asian ones. Moreover, this finding is consistent with those of previous studies. Cheng et al. (2007) looked at other receptors for viral infections and found differences between Chinese and other human populations. In the specific case of pulmonary diseases, Seitz et al. (2012) studied the prevalence of bronchiectasis in the United States and found that Asian Americans had a prevalence 2.5 to 3.9 times higher than those of Euro Americans and African Americans. Kwak et al. (2010) similarly found a high prevalence of bronchiectasis in Korean adults.

These ethnic differences should be no surprise. Many pathogens can infect some populations more easily than others. This was shown by a study of the TLR2 polymorphism, which influences resistance to such infections as leprosy, tuberculosis, staphylococcal infections, and sepsis:

Interestingly, recent data have pointed out that TLR2 polymorphisms are associated with disseminated tuberculosis or exert specific effects on susceptibility to certain mycobacterial strains, such as the Beijing strains of Mycobacterium tuberculosis. The Beijing strains have a clear geographical distribution, raising the possibility that human TLR2 has coevolved in various populations depending on the type of infectious pressure in a particular region, similarly to what has been reported for polymorphisms in other innate immune genes such as TLR4 or Mal/TIRAP. (Iona et al. 2012)

The argument here is that an infectious disease will favor the survival and reproduction of those people who are more resistant to it. So, over succeeding generations, the average person will become naturally more resistant. The degree of resistance will vary from one population to another because the incidence of infectious pathogens typically varies from one population to another.

In this case, the average Chinese person seems to be naturally less resistant to coronaviruses. That is a bit surprising. The Chinese have cohabited with various forms of livestock for a long time, longer than most humans, and should have become more resistant to viral infections that jump the species barrier, like the current coronavirus in Wuhan. Yet, here, the reverse is true.

Perhaps we're looking at this coevolution the wrong way. Perhaps coronaviruses usually do more good than harm. Perhaps, over time, there has been selection to make the average Chinese person less resistant to them. This possibility has been explored in a recent paper by Shekhar et al. (2017). Certain viral infections of the respiratory tract seem to help their hosts by boosting resistance to bacterial infections:

Little is known about the interaction of the host with commensal viruses and fungi that inhabit the respiratory system. Latent infection with herpesviruses can lead to opportunistic infections in immunocompromised individuals. Recent findings, however, highlight a new role for these viruses in increasing host resistance to bacterial infections. Infection with herpesviruses in mice results in chronic production of large quantities of IFN-γ and activation of macrophages that confer protection from subsequent infection with Listeria monocytogenes and Yersinia pestis. (Shekhar et al. 2017)

So you periodically come down with a mild flu, and you can better resist more serious pulmonary infections, like pneumonia and tuberculosis. Of course, now and again, the flu might be deadly, like the one in 1918. Interestingly, China was largely unaffected by the Spanish flu pandemic: "in 1918, China was spared from the worst ravages of the pandemic, due to the apparent greater resistance to the virus among the Chinese population compared to other regions of the world" (Wikipedia 2020).

Since then, public hygiene measures have steadily reduced chronic exposure to mild pulmonary infections in the Chinese population. If the Spanish flu struck China today, would the Chinese people be just as unaffected? Is this why the Wuhan outbreak has been so severe?


Conclusion

The Chinese population has developed a commensal relationship with coronaviruses, which are usually mild and seem to prepare the immune system for serious pulmonary infections. Through a process of coevolution, the Chinese have become five times more susceptible to coronaviruses than other human populations.

Far from being an enemy, these viruses may actually be a friend that plays a valuable immunological role. By creating a cleaner social environment, the Chinese authorities may have unwittingly opened a Pandora's box.

As for non-Chinese people, it doesn't follow that they will be immune to the new coronavirus, only that they will be less vulnerable.

On a final note, the economic disruption due to the Wuhan outbreak will lead to a contraction in Chinese production, and this contraction will exacerbate the ongoing problem of China's shrinking workforce. There are going to be fewer and more expensive consumer goods on the global market. Ironically, all of this is happening as we enter the 2020s—a decade already predicted to be a time of crisis.


References

Cheng, P-L, H-L. Eng, M-H. Chou, H-L. You, T-M. Lin, (2007). Genetic polymorphisms of viral infection-associated Toll-like receptors in Chinese population. Translational Research 150(5): 311-318
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1931524407000953

Ioana, M., B. Ferwerda, T. S. Plantinga, M. Stappers, M. Oosting, M. McCall, A. Cimpoeru, F. Burada, N. Panduru, R. Sauerwein, O. Doumbo, J. W. M. van der Meer, R. van Crevel, L. A. B. Joosten, and M. G. Netea. (2012). Different Patterns of Toll-Like Receptor 2 Polymorphisms in Populations of Various Ethnic and Geographic Origins. Infection and Immunity 80(5): 1917-1922
https://iai.asm.org/content/80/5/1917

Kwak, H.J., J.Y. Moon, Y.W. Choi, T.H. Kim, J.W. Sohn, H.J. Yoon, D.H. Shin, S.S. Park, and S.H. Kim. (2010). High prevalence of bronchiectasis in adults: analysis of CT findings in a health screening program. Tohoku Journal of Experimental Medicine 222: 237-242.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/dd5d/c5d64f82c84277b74024af0671c8ec070fa6.pdf

Seitz, A.E., K.N. Olivier, J. Adjemian, S.M. Holland, and D.R. Prevots. (2012). Trends in bronchiectasis among medicare beneficiaries in the United States, 2000 to 2007. Chest 142(2):432-439.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3425339/

Shekhar, S., K. Schenck, and F. C. Petersen (2017). Exploring Host-Commensal Interactions in the Respiratory Tract. Frontiers in Immunology 8: 1971
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5776090/

Wikipedia. (2020). Spanish flu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

Zhao, Y., Z. Zhao, Y. Wang, Y. Zhou, Y. Ma, and W. Zuo. (2020). Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the putative receptor of Wuhan 2019-nCov. bioRxiv January 26
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
 
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Chances are they stock the minibar using the same outfit that makes their magic toilet wine cleaning enzyme. You know, like the minibars in Dominican Republic Hotels.
it's the hilton. and Smirnoff vodka I've had fake vodka before this tastes real.
 
The first part I understand (though honestly this thread and some online tutorials on quarantine procedures would probably suffice. All aerosol viri are contained the same really), the second I must urge you to reconsider. If handled properly you will bring no real risk to the USA and they will likely be able to protect you much better. Even if you don't do it for yourself, in Singapur you're running the risk of containing others due to bad air maintenance and cleaning protocols, and any spread of the virus makes it more likely to get to the US. Bringing you home under proper procedure is much safer for everyone so lomg ss you're not one of those crazy bitches that tries to run away, and you're clearly not.



Sadly I have to agree. I still find it baffling because here the reason why we DON'T use kitchen trash isn't really to protect anyone but just to protect the sample from contamination. But knowing china... *sigh* seriously how can anyone trust any data coming from them knowing how poorly the experiments are conducted? It's a nightmare, not due to the lax security, not due to the autist in me screeching in rage, just due to the student that knows what contaminants are and how important it is to make sure your samples don't get them. This isn't just bad medicine, it's bad science, and I find that so sobberingly depressing.
sorry for the double post but I've had pneumonia twice in my life; almost died the second go around. Even if let's say I get a hold of somebody unless they start treatment immediately chances are I'd probably die before I even hit the us.I have developing copd. thanks to parents who smoked when I was a baby. Any respitory infections like that can literally kill me in days. I only accepted because I have no dependants. Viral pneumonia has no cure other than supportive treatment even then it's another dimension of hell.
this virus kills the weakest first. So itd be a waste of resources to exvacuate me when I may just be do a. my boss already had a quarantine plan in place. If I exhibit symptoms I'm immediately taken for observation. If my condition worsens I'm locked up in Icu. I'd try and leave if I didn't have this one complication. but with my developing copd more than likely I'll probably be dead with in two days from not being able to breathe.
 
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The US military ones are honestly the best but they've shot up in price recently (shocking). The best civilian ones I've tried are XMRE, but they're quite expensive and they have a tendency to put the same side in every meal in the box, which gets old fast. Sopacko ones are also decent since they're one of the actual MRE suppliers for the military, but some of them are weirdly bootleg in a way that's hard to explain.

- t. Civilian MRE Sperg
The MRE crackers are awesome, I don't know what kind of crack they put in them. This reminds me I have to beg someone for them.
 
The MRE crackers are awesome, I don't know what kind of crack they put in them. This reminds me I have to beg someone for them.
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in MREs that's just weirdly amazing compared to the "normal" version. The chilimac, the jalapeno cheese spread, the chocolate pudding... For the crackers, I've found pilot crackers from Mountain House to be somewhat close.

One other thing for people interested in MREs. MRE heaters are a crapshoot. If yours doesn't pan out, throw the sealed entree bag in boiling water for a couple minutes. In fact, just do this if you have the option, it's infinitely superior. Just make sure there's no water from the ration heater left on it, the chemical reaction makes it undrinkable.
 
I just got an email from something I "ordered" in November last year.
If I wouldn't visit the farms for news and Infos I would believe them. Should I be concerned?
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