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The people will never trust the CCP again. They may act compliant on the outside, but on the inside the CCP has lost the people. And there are a few million in Hong Kong who have seen all of this and now want nothing whatsoever to do with the CCP. And the CCP doesn't know what to do. They didn't know what to do about Hong Kong before the virus hit, and now they really don't know what to do. The only tool the CCP seems to be able to use is force. They hammer down every nail sticking up. But what happens when there are so many nails the hammer can no longer pound them all down?

Believe China will be going through interesting times for a very long time to come.

I'm just curious if there would be mass demonstrations in the aftermath. To be sure, there are a lot of disgruntled people there, but I'm not sure if they'd be able to organize themselves in the first place, what with Big Brother Xi watching their social media and comms. And if they do manage to organize, the CCP is likely to put "temporary" bans on people grouping together in groups of more than 5 or so without a permit.

Don't even flex on Asia. They've handled this terribly but what the fuck is the UK doing.

Y'all got Heathrow Hotel filled with carriers while we're shipping them off to military bases and holding them in iso.

Outside of some missteps here and there, the rest of Asia outside of China have pretty much done a good job, all things considered. It's pretty hard to fault Asian countries for having cases within their borders when Xi covered his ears and shouted "lalala" when his doctors were telling him about the virus and had a chance to be stopped early. He instead let his infected people go fly to other nations during their peak travel season before he took it seriously. Asian countries are just unlucky to be closer to China, so they got more Chinese visitors with the virus.

Of course, the situation can still turn bad for other Asian nations, but the fact that there haven't been a huge jump in cases like what China sees daily is a feather in the cap for the rest of Asia. Even India managed to control the cases they had.
 
I just got an email from something I "ordered" in November last year.
If I wouldn't visit the farms for news and Infos I would believe them. Should I be concerned?
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I just got an email from something I "ordered" in November last year.
If I wouldn't visit the farms for news and Infos I would believe them. Should I be concerned?
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I dunno about the effective control of the virus bit.

Given how the postal service treats things and the length of time it'll take for you to get them it's incredibly unlikely that the virus could survive that long on the item. It needs optimal conditions and those probably aren't stuck in a box exposed to temperatures flux. Highly unlikely unless you were literally handed the parcel in person by someone infected.

If you are still worried and it's possible wash the item / spray it with a bit of lysol. If it's material definitely give it a cycle in the washer. If you're still really worried, leave the package an extra week unopened- spray the outside with lysol and give it a misting as you open.
 
A blogpost from one of my favorite blogs:




Chinese lung tissue seems to be receptive to coronaviruses, perhaps because frequent mild infections stimulate the immune system to protect against more serious pulmonary infections, like pneumonia and tuberculosis. This may be why China escaped the ravages of the Spanish flu in 1918. Have modern measures for public health opened a Pandora's box in China? (Wikipedia – CDC)



Are Chinese people more vulnerable than others to the Wuhan coronavirus? The question is raised by Zhao et al. (2020), who examined lung tissues from several donors and studied a receptor that acts as the point of entry for some coronaviruses, including the ones responsible for the SARS outbreak of 2002-2003 and the ongoing outbreak in Wuhan, China. They found that the receptor was concentrated in cells that promote viral reproduction and transmission. They also found that the number of these cells in lung tissue varied with ethnic origin:



This study is a preprint and has not yet been peer-reviewed, a fact highlighted in a notice placed above the online paper:



I often consult bioRxiv, and this is the first time I've seen such a notice. It's not as if this study has been widely publicized in the mainstream media.

A peer reviewer would make the same criticism that the authors themselves make: the sample size is small. In fact, there was only one Asian in the entire sample. Nevertheless, sampling error cannot easily explain the five-fold difference between the Asian donor and the non-Asian ones. Moreover, this finding is consistent with those of previous studies. Cheng et al. (2007) looked at other receptors for viral infections and found differences between Chinese and other human populations. In the specific case of pulmonary diseases, Seitz et al. (2012) studied the prevalence of bronchiectasis in the United States and found that Asian Americans had a prevalence 2.5 to 3.9 times higher than those of Euro Americans and African Americans. Kwak et al. (2010) similarly found a high prevalence of bronchiectasis in Korean adults.

These ethnic differences should be no surprise. Many pathogens can infect some populations more easily than others. This was shown by a study of the TLR2 polymorphism, which influences resistance to such infections as leprosy, tuberculosis, staphylococcal infections, and sepsis:



The argument here is that an infectious disease will favor the survival and reproduction of those people who are more resistant to it. So, over succeeding generations, the average person will become naturally more resistant. The degree of resistance will vary from one population to another because the incidence of infectious pathogens typically varies from one population to another.

In this case, the average Chinese person seems to be naturally less resistant to coronaviruses. That is a bit surprising. The Chinese have cohabited with various forms of livestock for a long time, longer than most humans, and should have become more resistant to viral infections that jump the species barrier, like the current coronavirus in Wuhan. Yet, here, the reverse is true.

Perhaps we're looking at this coevolution the wrong way. Perhaps coronaviruses usually do more good than harm. Perhaps, over time, there has been selection to make the average Chinese person less resistant to them. This possibility has been explored in a recent paper by Shekhar et al. (2017). Certain viral infections of the respiratory tract seem to help their hosts by boosting resistance to bacterial infections:



So you periodically come down with a mild flu, and you can better resist more serious pulmonary infections, like pneumonia and tuberculosis. Of course, now and again, the flu might be deadly, like the one in 1918. Interestingly, China was largely unaffected by the Spanish flu pandemic: "in 1918, China was spared from the worst ravages of the pandemic, due to the apparent greater resistance to the virus among the Chinese population compared to other regions of the world" (Wikipedia 2020).

Since then, public hygiene measures have steadily reduced chronic exposure to mild pulmonary infections in the Chinese population. If the Spanish flu struck China today, would the Chinese people be just as unaffected? Is this why the Wuhan outbreak has been so severe?


Conclusion

The Chinese population has developed a commensal relationship with coronaviruses, which are usually mild and seem to prepare the immune system for serious pulmonary infections. Through a process of coevolution, the Chinese have become five times more susceptible to coronaviruses than other human populations.

Far from being an enemy, these viruses may actually be a friend that plays a valuable immunological role. By creating a cleaner social environment, the Chinese authorities may have unwittingly opened a Pandora's box.

As for non-Chinese people, it doesn't follow that they will be immune to the new coronavirus, only that they will be less vulnerable.

On a final note, the economic disruption due to the Wuhan outbreak will lead to a contraction in Chinese production, and this contraction will exacerbate the ongoing problem of China's shrinking workforce. There are going to be fewer and more expensive consumer goods on the global market. Ironically, all of this is happening as we enter the 2020s—a decade already predicted to be a time of crisis.


References

Cheng, P-L, H-L. Eng, M-H. Chou, H-L. You, T-M. Lin, (2007). Genetic polymorphisms of viral infection-associated Toll-like receptors in Chinese population. Translational Research 150(5): 311-318
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1931524407000953

Ioana, M., B. Ferwerda, T. S. Plantinga, M. Stappers, M. Oosting, M. McCall, A. Cimpoeru, F. Burada, N. Panduru, R. Sauerwein, O. Doumbo, J. W. M. van der Meer, R. van Crevel, L. A. B. Joosten, and M. G. Netea. (2012). Different Patterns of Toll-Like Receptor 2 Polymorphisms in Populations of Various Ethnic and Geographic Origins. Infection and Immunity 80(5): 1917-1922
https://iai.asm.org/content/80/5/1917

Kwak, H.J., J.Y. Moon, Y.W. Choi, T.H. Kim, J.W. Sohn, H.J. Yoon, D.H. Shin, S.S. Park, and S.H. Kim. (2010). High prevalence of bronchiectasis in adults: analysis of CT findings in a health screening program. Tohoku Journal of Experimental Medicine 222: 237-242.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/dd5d/c5d64f82c84277b74024af0671c8ec070fa6.pdf

Seitz, A.E., K.N. Olivier, J. Adjemian, S.M. Holland, and D.R. Prevots. (2012). Trends in bronchiectasis among medicare beneficiaries in the United States, 2000 to 2007. Chest 142(2):432-439.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3425339/

Shekhar, S., K. Schenck, and F. C. Petersen (2017). Exploring Host-Commensal Interactions in the Respiratory Tract. Frontiers in Immunology 8: 1971
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5776090/

Wikipedia. (2020). Spanish flu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

Zhao, Y., Z. Zhao, Y. Wang, Y. Zhou, Y. Ma, and W. Zuo. (2020). Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the putative receptor of Wuhan 2019-nCov. bioRxiv January 26
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

The emotive language is a red flag but the data checks out. I'd therefore mark it as probably true unless evidence to the contrary is found, if a tad verbose. If it indeed is true it's quite interesting that the conclusion enssentially is that hygiene in china is so horrifyingly bad that viri have decided to go help the humans survive for a change. That moment your government is so horrible even pathogens become charitable...

I just got an email from something I "ordered" in November last year.
If I wouldn't visit the farms for news and Infos I would believe them. Should I be concerned?
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Probably won't survive the trip, I'd still handle the package with gloves and mask (and plastic bags) and clean the hell out of it though. Also fuck the WHO, even when they're kinda right they come off as smarmy double agents.

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BTW anyone here posted the translated letter from Iran on /pol/ yet? 1582135652892.png
If it's true and the translation is accurate, well done Iran, you acted too late for 4 of your citizens, but at least you acted correctly unlike a certain other *cough*CHINA*cough*. Fucking hell when even those goatfuckers know this shit you know Xi must be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet.
 
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Don't be exceptional, just buy a bunch of canned, frozen, or dried goods if you want to hole up in your house and eat. MREs are designed to be bouncing around in some asshole's pack for days in shit conditions and still be almost edible afterwards, you do not need to be paying for that (or putting up with the taste) if you just want something to sit in your pantry. It's vastly cheaper and probably tastes better too.
 
Don't be exceptional, just buy a bunch of canned, frozen, or dried goods if you want to hole up in your house and eat. MREs are designed to be bouncing around in some asshole's pack for days in shit conditions and still be almost edible afterwards, you do not need to be paying for that (or putting up with the taste) if you just want something to sit in your pantry. It's vastly cheaper and probably tastes better too.
I get what you're saying and it makes sense in a general aspect. However, MREs are a novelty interest and even a passion hobby for a weirdly high number of people. It's one thing to eat an MRE every now and then for fun, but to eat one under possible emergency conditions is a whole other experience.

The difference between buying some MREs purchased at the on-base commissary to taste-test vs being handed MRE full-service packs for three days' eating with FRHs included because a hurricane is about to hit the base and the brass is sending the troops home to their families with those rations is astronomical. How much more fun and exciting is it to play poker when those cards actually have a little money riding on them?
 
Oh, if someone wants to chow on MREs for fun, hey, more power to 'em. Their money. But portable food is made with certain priorities in mind that aren't necessary for home use, and entail certain sacrifices that you won't have with something like a decent can of soup.

There's really no need to worry for these "hysterical kiwis" supposedly wasting their money. After its all just suggestions that they wouldn't mind knowing about or are just really curious. And if they buy MREs, it's not really a waste considering the long shelf life of the packaged food and you never know what might come around the corner. I know I didn't and they helped out a lot in dire times and even saved me money.

Edit: WSJ BTFO

 
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I just got an email from something I "ordered" in November last year.
If I wouldn't visit the farms for news and Infos I would believe them. Should I be concerned?
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Good God. The last paragraph at the bottom (beginning "China and all other countries in the world are working together to defeat the virus...") is straight "don't worry, citizen" Orwellian sounding.
 
BTW anyone here posted the translated letter from Iran on /pol/ yet?

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All the news agencies are reporting two deaths and an unspecific number of infections. No word on the ethnicity of the deceased - they’re said to be Iranian citizens but Iran tends to ignore second citizenships so ethnic Chinese would be reported as Iranian citizens regardless. The deceased were elderly.
If there have been four deaths of ethnic Iranians then that’d be quite significant.
 
All the news agencies are reporting two deaths and an unspecific number of infections. No word on the ethnicity of the deceased - they’re said to be Iranian citizens but Iran tends to ignore second citizenships so ethnic Chinese would be reported as Iranian citizens regardless. The deceased were elderly.
If there have been four deaths of ethnic Iranians then that’d be quite significant.

Not necessarily. 4 deaths of elderly of some form of pneumonia in the winter is kind of normal. This is why it is so hard to parse good or useful data from the normal seasonal background. Especially at smaller numbers.
 
Do you have any brand(s) in mind to recommend?
The cat I had when the melamine "wheat gluten" started killing pets had weak kidneys, but fortunately I was feeding her mainly Friskies, which was one of the only cheap brands that didn't source their "wheat gluten" from China. The cat I have now can't eat Friskies for different health reasons, but I evangelize that brand to anyone who needs cheap wet cat food. It's especially good for picky eaters because it's stinky, and cats like stink.
TBH, I just feed Friskies, and the cats do well on it. I've gone full Cat Lady, so I have anywhere from 10-16 cats on hand at any given time, between my own permanent residents and any fosters waiting for new homes. Even feeding Friskies, that gets expensive.

And, frankly, most cat food marketing is aimed at current human obsessions about diet, rather than what cats actually need. There are expensive foods that boast about their non-meat ingredients, including things like blueberries or cranberries that provide antioxidants, and it's just fucking ridiculous. Then they boast about not containing any "meat by-products." Well, if you've ever had a cat who caught and ate prey, you'd see that cats aren't too fussy about eating icky stuff we'd call "by-products."

I'll buy limited-ingredient or hypoallergenic diets for cats who really need them, and I do keep a stash of "fancy" brands bought on sale to tempt sick cats to eat, but right now I don't have anybody who needs those. So I buy the 60-pack suitcases of Friskies from Costco, and we're all good.

Don't be exceptional, just buy a bunch of canned, frozen, or dried goods if you want to hole up in your house and eat. MREs are designed to be bouncing around in some asshole's pack for days in shit conditions and still be almost edible afterwards, you do not need to be paying for that (or putting up with the taste) if you just want something to sit in your pantry. It's vastly cheaper and probably tastes better too.
MREs are also made to sustain people who are engaged in strenuous physical activity, so the average calorie count for the official ones is something like 1200-1300 calories apiece. An urban-dweller, or even a suburbanite, who is hunkered down at home, riding out the plague in seclusion, doesn't need to consume that many calories in one go. A small, relatively sedentary woman could blow right through her daily caloric needs with just one of them. So unless the survival scenario you're prepping for includes performing a significant amount of physical labor on most days, in the absence of electricity, you're better off with canned, frozen, or bulk staple foods.
 
The emotive language is a red flag but the data checks out. I'd therefore mark it as probably true unless evidence to the contrary is found, if a tad verbose. If it indeed is true it's quite interesting that the conclusion enssentially is that hygiene in china is so horrifyingly bad that viri have decided to go help the humans survive for a change. That moment your government is so horrible even pathogens become charitable...

Frost has been so consistently right about everything human biodiversity related for years that I am pretty comfortable assuming he is correct here, too.

It is well worth reading his site.

www.evoandproud.com is also entirely worth reading, as is the author's book "the 10,000 year explosion", which covers the history of human evolution over the last, you guessed it, 10,000 years. It is truly fascinating stuff. If you like psychometrics like I do, there is an interesting chapter on Jewish intelligence which suggests that their one SD advantage seems to have evolved over just the last few hundred years. (The intense selection pressure caused the characteristic diseases you see in Jews. In particular, lipid storage diseases). The skin/eye color chapters are also very interesting in showing how quickly these mutations became universal in their populations: who would've guessed blue eyes was boon to fitness comparable with, for instance, lactose tolerance?

edit: http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/ sorry
 
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The US military ones are honestly the best but they've shot up in price recently (shocking). The best civilian ones I've tried are XMRE, but they're quite expensive and they have a tendency to put the same side in every meal in the box, which gets old fast. Sopacko ones are also decent since they're one of the actual MRE suppliers for the military, but some of them are weirdly bootleg in a way that's hard to explain.

- t. Civilian MRE Sperg


If you can find them, get the TOTMs (Tailored Operational Training Meal). A slightly decontented MRE, has MRE entree and more, has the flameless heater. Costs about half of an MRE. Sopakco and Wornick make them, as well as MREs.

if you want some concentrated, easy to carry nourishment, look for the First Strike Ration. (FSR) This is made up of basically snack foods with some enhancements. Food can be eaten on the move. Intended to be used for up to three days at the start of an operation. One FSR contains a whole day's food.

This thing reminds me of the term "Red expert". Think Mao coined the term, way back when. A "Red expert" is someone who's a CCP true believer, on top of being an expert in their fields. Mao tended to lean toward the Red over the expert, except in things like nuke and missile development. Far as I know, he let those people do their work without them or their families being fucked with. Deng leaned more toward the expert over the Red, knowing ideology alone would not modernize China. He got results. The circle has turned again with Xi. He values the Red, meaning loyal to his regime, over the expert. If this had been Deng suggest the virus would have been handled rather more quickly and competently, with nobody who raised concerns being arrested.

Xi doesn't give a fuck about protecting Deng's legacy. He only cares about staying in power by any means necessary.
 
my boss sent me and I worked my ass off to get to where I am. basically it's 2 meetings for my branch of hospitals to get more info on da wu flu. As much as I'd like to leave it could help my local area better prepare and save lives. I'm just the idiot that didn't say no to my bosses request.
As for pneumonia if I get it I'm not coming back to USA I'm opting to be quarantined in Singapore because I'm not bringing that shit home. So either I tough it out and or live and return or I die and my ashes come back.

You probably already figured this out being there but honestly, Singapore has world class hospital facilities and doctors. It's not like the rest of S.E. Asia. It's the only place in the entire region that's elimated malaria for example because those fuckers are organized, educated, clean, and smart as well as richand they are big on public health. Source: me, lived there for a bit a while back. I'd rather be in a Singaporean hospital than one in many places in the world, and that includes many first-world countries.
 
You probably already figured this out being there but honestly, Singapore has world class hospital facilities and doctors. It's not like the rest of S.E. Asia. It's the only place in the entire region that's elimated malaria for example because those fuckers are organized, educated, clean, and smart as well as richand they are big on public health. Source: me, lived there for a bit a while back. I'd rather be in a Singaporean hospital than one in many places in the world, and that includes many first-world countries.
Yeah that's why Id rather quarantine there in case. It's different if I was in India or Vietnam. but it wouldn't make sense to waste time and resources from the gov in the USA just to evacuate me if I catch wu flu. Besides my precondition that makes anything above a regular cold deadly and the fact viral pneumonia has no cure I'd probably die if I was moved.

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corona Chan hasn't raped me.
I saw a dead body being transferred out not sure if wu flu.
got drunk on free booze courtesy of hotel.
Still drinking.
I have time to kill until next Monday.
 
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