Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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I haven't been keeping up with this on a daily basis, but every time I hear a report it seems the number of new cases and deaths seem to double. Is this correct, or is my inner Alex Jones voice fucking with me?
No. China is blatantly lying about everything in an increasingly vain attempt to make people think they have the situation under control, and have been doing so ever since early December.
 
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China has been more xenophobic since ancient times
 
Wonder if apple will still bother producing anything in china once this is all over, of if they will move everything out to another country to get ahead of the curve.
China has been behaving in an insecure manner for a while now. If things were stable and smooth, they wouldn't be clamping down so hard.
 
Ukraine being Ukraine:


Dozens of protesters in a Ukrainian town have attacked buses carrying evacuees from coronavirus-hit China.

The evacuees were being brought to the hospital in Novi Sanzhary, in the central Poltava region, where they will be held in quarantine for 14 days.

President Volodymyr Zelensky urged the protesters to show empathy.

Ukraine's security service (SSU) said a fake email claiming to be from the Ministry of Health falsely said some evacuees had contracted the virus.

SSU officials are now investigating the apparent hoax, a statement said.

Earlier on Thursday, 45 Ukrainians and 27 foreign nationals were flown from Wuhan in China, the epicentre of the deadly outbreak, to Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine.

Six buses then drove them to the hospital in Novi Sanzhary, where they were met by demonstrators lighting bonfires and hurling stones.


The country's health ministry said none of the passengers were sick.

Ukraine's diplomatic mission added that three Ukrainians and a resident of Kazakhstan had been left behind in China, because they had reported having a fever.

Prime Minister Oleksiy Honcharuk, Health Minister Zoriana Skaletska and Interior Minister Arsen Avakov all travelled to the city to try and calm tensions.


n footage published by local media, Mr Avakov was seen telling the protesters: "We are not talking about infected people, we are talking about healthy people."

One person then replied: "So far."
 
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I've have never been so irritated before seeing chinks, globalists, and China shills meaninglessly crying about racist in the face of an epidemic.

Absolutely no sense of priorities.
 
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Iv read that it mostly stated with the An Lushan dude back in 755 CE and a few tens of millions disappearing from the census records. But then again, they are hardly the only ones to have foreign warlords try and pull a Odoacer.

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Believe it's time to step back and take a look at what's going on. These are merely my observations and opinions, aimed primarily at my fellow Americans. Don't know enough about internal situations in any other country well enough to gave the best advice.

First, believe things is China are getting away from the Xi regime. Believe things are rather worse than have been told. Despite entreaties (demands) from the Xi regime, believe getting Chinese industrial production back up to speed will be very problematical. Too many places locked down, too much disruption of internal supplies and communications. Look for a shortage of items produced in China before long.

Second, this is starting to spread quickly. Korea has cases. Japan has cases, after totally bungling the quarantine of the cruise ship. Iran has cases, and probably more than might be thought. Believe India has cases, and should the virus get going there it could really be nasty.

Third, we're starting to see cases here. Believe we have a reasonable chance of keeping the pandemic under control here.

Looking back at history, there was a time when the USA was cut off from just about all imports from Asia. It is entirely possible that we will see a severe decline in imports from Asia - not just China, but Korea, Japan, Vietnam, and India.

Take a look around your house. Everyone has a lot of stuff made in Asia, everything from kitchen knicknacks to computers, TVs, and cars. And likely everyone has a lot of stuff, period. What would you do if imports from Asia were cut off or drastically reduced, say, for perhaps a year, worst case?

If the President is smart, and I believe he is, he already has people examining this contingency. Should things get bad enough, he could declare a state of unlimited national emergency. This would give him power to freeze stocks of Asian-made goods, set up ration boards, and the like. There will not be any choice. We will need to stretch our supplies of certain goods until we can set up our own production lines, develop substitutes, and/or the normal flow of goods resumes. And don't forget all the Asian-made parts that go into cars made here. With just-in-time inventory of parts, car manufacturers may need to cut production of certain models sooner than you think. This time, we don't have eight million troops overseas, but those troops will need supplies formerly sourced from Asia. And there could soon be shortages of certain drugs, clothing, shoes, and tires.

Suggest taking a look at what you have from Asia. Computer getting old? Consider getting a new one, same brand, same capability. TV getting old? Maybe a new one. Cell phone aging? Maybe a new one. Look at where your medicine is made. Even if it doesn't come from China, chances are some ingredients may come from there or somewhere else in Asia. I know prescription drugs made in India, Croatia, Canada, and Israel are sold here. Can easily see triage for patients using certain medications in very short supply. If possible, look at getting extra supplies of at least the most important prescription drugs you use.

On a side note, we won't starve. We produce plenty of food. But there may be shortages of some foods from Asia, canned and frozen. Could see rationing of certain foods. Could well see shortages of certain beers and liquors from Asia. Might be time to stock up some. "Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without."

Energy-wise, we should be okay. We import no coal or natural gas. If imports of oil are disrupted we'll get by with what we produce - thank God for fracking. Gasoline and oil could be rationed. Don't see electricity being rationed, or any blackouts.

Bottom line: Keep paying attention to the news, what is said and what is not said. Don't take counsel of your fears. Look at what you have and consider getting replacements now, before stocks are frozen. Forewarned is forearmed. Hope none of this comes to pass but anything can happen. Shit's getting real, and we need to be real about it.


Here's something from Victor Davis Hanson. He's preaching to the choir here, but still worth a read.


China's Government Is Like Something Out of '1984'

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ng_out_of_1984_142444.html#comments-container

By Victor Davis Hanson February 20, 2020

The Chinese communist government increasingly poses an existential threat not just to its own 1.4 billion citizens but to the world at large.

China is currently in a dangerously chaotic state. And why not, when a premodern authoritarian society leaps wildly into the brave new world of high-tech science in a single generation?

The Chinese technological revolution is overseen by an Orwellian dictatorship. Predictably, the Chinese Communist Party has not developed the social, political or cultural infrastructure to ensure that its sophisticated industrial and biological research does not go rogue and become destructive to itself and to the billions of people who are on the importing end of Chinese products and protocols.

Central party officials run the government, military, media and universities collectively in a manner reminiscent of the science-fiction Borg organism of "Star Trek," which was a horde of robot-like entities all under the control of a central mind.

Thirty years ago, American pundits began gushing over China's sudden leap from horse-drawn power to solar, wind and nuclear energy. The Chinese communist government wowed Westerners. It created from nothing high-speed rail, solar farms, shiny new airports and gleaming new high-density apartment buildings.

Western-trained Chinese scientists soon were conducting sophisticated medical and scientific research. And they often did so rapidly, without the prying regulators, nosy elected officials and bothersome citizen lawsuits that often burden American and European scientists.

To make China instantly rich and modern, the communist hierarchy -- the same government that once caused the deaths of some 60 million innocents under Mao Zedong -- ignored property rights. It crushed individual freedom. It embraced secrecy and bulldozed over any who stood in its way.

In much the same manner that silly American pundits once praised Benito Mussolini's fascist efforts to modernize Depression-era Italy, many naifs in the West praised China only because they wished that their own countries could recalibrate so quickly and efficiently -- especially in service to green agendas.

But the world is learning that China does not just move mountains for new dams or bulldoze ancient neighborhoods that stand in the path of high-speed rail. It also hid the outbreak and the mysterious origins of the deadly coronavirus from its own people and the rest of the planet as well -- a more dangerous replay of its earlier effort to mask the spread of the SARS virus. The result was that thousands of unknowing carriers spread the viral plague while the government covered up its epidemic proportions.


China, of course, does not wish to have either its products or citizens quarantined from other countries. But the Chinese government will not allow foreign scientists to enter its country to collaborate on containing the coronavirus and developing a vaccine.

No wonder internet conspiracies speculate that the virus was either a rogue product of the Chinese military's bioengineering weapons lab or originated from bats, snakes or pangolins and the open-air markets where they are sold as food.

It is hard to believe that in 2020, the world's largest and second-wealthiest county, which boasts of high-tech consumer products and gleaming cities, has imprisoned in "re-education camps" more than 1 million Uighur Muslims in the manner that Hitler, Stalin and Mao once relocated "undesirable" populations.

China seems confident that it will soon rule the world, given its huge population, massive trade surpluses, vast cash reserves and industries that produce so many of the world's electronic devices, pharmaceuticals and consumer goods.
For a year, the Chinese government has battled massive street demonstrations for democracy in Hong Kong. Beijing cynically assumes that Western nations don't care. They are expected to drop their characteristic human rights advocacy because of how profitable their investments inside China have proven.

Beijing was right. Few Western companies complain that Chinese society is surveilled, regulated and controlled in a nightmarish fashion that George Orwell once predicted in his dystopian novel "1984."

All of these recent scandals should remind the world that China got rich by warping trade and stealing technology in much the same way that it deals with epidemics and dissidents. That is, by simply ignoring legitimate criticism and crushing anyone in its way.

If the Chinese communist Borg is willing to put millions of its own citizens at risk of infection and death, why would it care about foreigners' complaints that China is getting rich and powerful by breaking international trade rules?

The truth about President Trump's decision to call China to account over its systematic abuse of international trade norms is not that Trump's policy is reckless or ill-considered. It's that at this late date, the reckoning might prove too little, too late.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. His latest book is The Savior Generals from BloomsburyBooks. You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.




 

Iv read that it mostly stated with the An Lushan dude back in 755 CE and a few tens of millions disappearing from the census records. But then again, they are hardly the only ones to have foreign warlords try and pull a Odoacer.

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China's ability to meaningfully project power will be seriously diminished after this, to the point where I think China will fall about into warring states-style civil warfare out of sheer impotence.
It's basically always been a hair away from warring states. The same is true of Russia. Do you know what keep both together? The central government's grip over the military. What keeps their control over the military? They maintain a monopoly over where the paychecks, food, and equipment comes from - i.e. the central government.

And it's a similar story in the USA. Why isn't the average soldier more loyal to their state/general/ideology than to the Federal government? Because states, generals, and ideology doesn't pay their checks, put their kids in school, get them healthcare, or ensure they have tools to fight to begin with. It's "how to avoid civil war" 101. It's only when you start decentralizing logistics that you are actually in danger of breaking up. Note that none of this applies to rebel groups that might want to fuck your ass, like the Muslims in western China.

It's going to take serious food shortages and massive inflation for the Chinese miltiary to decide their loyalty is better placed elsewhere. Xi will probably be couped (which is NOT the same as a civil war) by his former followers in the CCP before that happens.
 
Australian university offers Chinese students $1,000 to return via third country



SYDNEY (Reuters) - One of Australia’s leading universities said on Friday it is offering Chinese students A$1,500 ($992) if they travel through a third country as higher education providers seek to minimize the impact of a ban on foreigners arriving from mainland China.

Australia has since Feb. 1 barred entry to foreigners arriving directly from mainland China, citing a need to stop the spread of the flu-like virus that emerged in China late last year.

The ban was extended on Thursday until at least Feb. 29.

With the Australian academic year already underway, universities fear thousands of students will withdraw and look at international alternatives if they are unable to get to their classes within weeks.

Australia’s government has said that as long as the students are outside China for 14 days, they would be permitted to enter the country.

Western Sydney University said it will offer Chinese students a one-off payment if they fulfill those requirements.

“Our students are keen to travel to Australia and start the new academic year as soon as possible,” said a Western Sydney University spokeswoman in an emailed statement.

“In recognition of the additional costs incurred in traveling via another country, the University has offered to assist students with a one-off A$1,500 subsidy payment.”

Foreign students are worth about A$35 billion a year to the Australian economy, with Chinese students accounting for about a third of that figure.

Australia’s largest eight universities, which have 105,000 Chinese students between them, said last week the coronavirus travel ban would cost the economy more than A$1 billion, and put at risk 7,500 jobs for each 10% fall in Chinese students.

Qantas Airways chief executive Alan Joyce said on Thursday it has been approached by Australian universities to ensure it can provide enough flights for returning Chinese students once restrictions are lifted.

With the restrictions weighing on the Australian economy, Prime Minister Scott Morrison is under pressure to ease the restrictions.

Local media on Friday reported the government had discussed allowing some Chinese students from outside Wuhan to enter.

A spokesman for Morrison declined to comment. The prime minister on Friday said his government was working on easing the burden but it would not be through direct funding to universities.

“We are working on some projects with the education sector... but lets not forget our universities are well capitalized,” Morrison told reporters.
 
Good news everyone! One of our lolkcows decided to go to vacation in Japan just now of all the times, illustrating the usual good judgment of a lolcow - really hoping he starts IRL streaming again and visits the Death Princess giving us mjölk AND Kung Flu updates.

I am aware, this has been posted in his thread, but it's rather obscure cow and topical.
 
It's basically always been a hair away from warring states. The same is true of Russia. Do you know what keep both together? The central government's grip over the military. What keeps their control over the military? They maintain a monopoly over where the paychecks, food, and equipment comes from - i.e. the central government.

And it's a similar story in the USA. Why isn't the average soldier more loyal to their state/general/ideology than to the Federal government? Because states, generals, and ideology doesn't pay their checks, put their kids in school, get them healthcare, or ensure they have tools to fight to begin with. It's "how to avoid civil war" 101. It's only when you start decentralizing logistics that you are actually in danger of breaking up. Note that none of this applies to rebel groups that might want to fuck your ass, like the Muslims in western China.

It's going to take serious food shortages and massive inflation for the Chinese miltiary to decide their loyalty is better placed elsewhere. Xi will probably be couped (which is NOT the same as a civil war) by his former followers in the CCP before that happens.
The Average American IS more loyal to their home state than to Washington D.C. It's just that we're not a third-world shithole where half the populace fights for table scraps. If a civil war broke out in the states, the Armed Forces would splinter almost instantly.
 
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