Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[AnotherPleb]

I don't know if banning all Chinese air travel would have actually been enough, but yeah that boggles me too how they wouldn't take such a basic obvious measure. Has *any* country even done this yet?

The countries big enough to matter haven't done nearly enough due to politicians.

Mexico is not only close its part of NAFTA. Lots of of our goods and food are made there already. Every country south of our border will be open for more business. Like someone else pointed out, expect turbulence but not the apocalypse.

That said, being frugal and repairing things is good advice.

That advice is anathema to a disposable economy.

 

[pwnest injun]

China shoves antibiotics at everyone and they managed to create azithromycin-resistant syphilis so draw your own conclusions there.

On the other hand, they tend to shove antibiotics at people as they shove them out the door, so maybe it's not as concentrated in the hospitals, making nosocomial infections less likely to be resistant?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Ironically, though this would cause a greater epidemic in China and accelerate deaths in the long term, it would be the best for the US and the West in the short term. If he really restarts the factories now, quarantines and safety be dammed, they might make enough goods before they start dropping dead to tide the system over until companies move production and restart it.

China will literally grind their own people into the dirt just to save face, let alone keep up the GDP growth and keep clientele. They might even be more motivated by reputation at this point than by money.

 

[Ahriman]

94% of the Fortune 1000 are seeing coronavirus supply chain disruptions

Almost 94% of the Fortune 1000 have major suppliers in the most heavily affected region of China.

fortune.com

 

[JosephStalin]

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94% of the Fortune 1000 are seeing coronavirus supply chain disruptions

Almost 94% of the Fortune 1000 have major suppliers in the most heavily affected region of China.

fortune.com

NFG. Those who don't listen just have to feel. Anyone with two brain cells could tell that having so many supplier eggs in one basket, at such a great distance from home, combined with the just-in-time inventory model was just asking for trouble. just too many vulnerable nodes in the system.

So these companies will spend the money they thought saved on getting substitutes, if possible, and relocating operations outside of China. Hey, when you are blinded by short-term profits you tend not to see a lot of things.

Went to the commissary today. Wife wanted frozen salmon. Looked around, found frozen salmon. Caught in China. No. Found some USA-produced salmon fillets. Paid more than for the Chinese-caught fish, but don't care. Look around at your frozen fish. More from China than might be thought. That will be another group of products that will be in short supply before long.

Also got the new laptop today, and have put it away.

 

[Apathy is my superpower]

Apparently there is a first case in Iraq:

Iraq reports first coronavirus infection

Iraq News Now- Iraq reports first coronavirus infection 22 Feb 2020 - 13:56 The body temperature of an Iraqi woman returning from Iran is measured upon her arrival at the Najaf International Airport on February 21, 2020, after Iran announced cases of Iraq News Iraq reports first coronavirus...

english.hathalyoum.net

Also very interesting is the circled info, couldn't find anything an google tho (maybe someone has more patience than me doing research):

edit: Found some info. Seems like the alleged patient zero is not the real patient zero:

No patient zero for the coronavirus outbreak in Lombardy

02/22/2020 | 9:49 p.m.

ROME (awp / afp) - The person hitherto considered to be at the origin of around fifty cases of contamination with the new coronavirus in Lombardy (northern Italy) cannot be the zero patient, originally of the epidemic, assured Saturday the vice-minister of Health.

"On the basis of the tests carried out, it did not develop the antibodies," said deputy minister Pierpaolo Sileri.

Since the announcement Friday of this first case quickly followed by dozens of others around the city of Codogno where Mattia, 38, was hospitalized, the media had given the hypothesis that he could have been infected by a friend who returned in January from China.

It was this friend who had initially been considered a possible "zero patient". Mattia, part of the American multinational Unilever, had dinner with him several times.

Placed in intensive care and intubated, he was transferred Saturday from Codogno to a larger hospital in Pavia.

Italy was Friday the first European country to deplore the death of one of its nationals, a 78-year-old mason died in Veneto, followed on Saturday by a 77-year-old resident of a village near Codogno, from the start of the viral pneumonia epidemic in China in December.

The peninsula is also the European country with the most cases with at least sixty people tested positive for the new coronavirus, including 46 in Lombardy and 12 in Veneto as well as one case in Turin, a person who had run a marathon with the framework from Codogno.

A dozen cities have been placed in semi-containment (public places are closed, except a few essential stores and pharmacies on duty) with more than 50,000 people asked to stay at home and avoid closed places.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte met with civil protection all day and then organized an extraordinary council of ministers.

New measures to contain the epidemic are expected, including the quarantine of people deemed at risk in military structures in Lombardy.

Pas de patient zéro pour le foyer de coronavirus en Lombardie (officiel) | Zone bourse

La personne jusqu'alors considérée comme à l'origine d'une cinquantaine de cas de contamination au nouveau coronavirus en Lombardie ne peut pas être le patient zéro,... | 22 février 2020

www.zonebourse.com

second edit to include this: --> special thanks to @Magnum Tenebrosum

The alleged ' zero patient ', the friend of the 38-year-old from Codogno who had dined with him after returning from China, never had the coronavirus. Deputy Minister of Health Pierpaolo Sileri told reporters. "The tests carried out - he said - showed that he did not develop antibodies" . The manager of the MAE of Firenzuola D'Arda , in the province of Piacenza , therefore tested negative for both the swab and the blood tests. The man had already tested negative for the first coronavirus test. Therefore, the spread of the virus in the Lodi area did not start with him.

"Patient zero didn't develop antibodies, it's not him. He has to be looked for. This changes the whole picture ." Deputy Minister of Health, Pierpaolo Sileri, clearly said, approached by reporters at the Civil Protection headquarters where the Council of Ministers is underway. At first it was thought that the 38-year-old runner from Codogno, patient 1, had contracted Covid 19 from the manager of the Mae of Firenzuola D'Arda his friend and that he had been having dinner with him after returning from China . But it is not so. So the people with whom the runner has come into contact are being reconstructed in detail. This is what Sileri claims.

 

[???]

Adding a few hundred thousand jobs at $15 an hour isn't going to help most people afford a blanket that goes from $20 to $50, shoes that go from $50 to $80, or a smartphone that costs $2500 instead of $500. Even if you pay people federal minimum of $7.25 it's massively more than paying someone $.60 an hour, plus bennies, union shit, US state and federal safety regulations, mandated training, hr personnel. Do you think Wang Ling is going to have a diversity rep that makes $50k a year he can complain to when Shing Chu grabs his ass? Shelly in Idaho sure does. And she can't work more than x hours without a break, or x hours a day, and anything over 40 is time and a half.

There's a reason why manufacturing jobs have been leaving the US for the past 40 years. And don't mistake this for arguing for that: I'd love to see manufacturing jobs back here, less reliance on global imports, less of a drive to move Americans off actual work and on to UBI. But if that comes, it won't come without a massive negative effect on quality of life in the US in the near term at least.

There's not much we can do about it, except buy what you can now, save money now, think about living with less. Learn to make shit last longer. Repair instead of replace. If you can't afford a new phone every 2 years, take good care of your current one. Be frugal with food instead of buying too much so it expires and you throw out half of it. Look into cleaning and repairing your shoes instead of buying new ones. Buy better quality, less fashionable (ie timeless) basic clothes. Think of how you might live if you or your family members were unemployed for a few years, or took a 40% pay cut. Live like that now.

You don't have to start hoarding gold and guns and MREs, but you can make it so if we at least get as bad as 2008 or the late 70s malaise you won't suffer as much.

You are out of your mind if you think that unskilled labor accounts for 95%+ of the cost of bread, cell phones, cars, or blankets.

If we stop importing foreign scabs and make stuff here, the labor market will be so tight that the average, inflation-adjusted wages will be closer to $60 an hour, not $15.

Your assumptions about commerce-killing regulations and make-work HR jobs assume that that regulatory situation will remain static in the face of massive structural changes in the rest of the economy. Once companies have no choice but to hire and buy American, they will lobby to remove regulations that. impede worker productivity.

Making stuff here, or better yet locally within the USA, is more efficient in the sense that there are fewer man-hours spent on labor because no one needs to transport it or it's constituent parts thousands of miles. With improvements in manufacturing tech and 3D printing () smaller businesses can benefit from scale... which is where research will go if global supply chains break down.

In case you didn't notice, prices go up every few months regardless of where stuff is made, so it may as well be made here. At least then the money stays in the country.

Making things here using Americans would dramatically improve quality and product lifespan, resulting in fewer greenhouse gases released overall and a lower price when you compare how often you replace shoddy products.

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Back on topic, if you get corona-chan, drink plenty of fluids and try to burn a fever as hot as possible, within reason.

 

[la mort]

BREAKING: Italy to put areas with outbreaks of coronavirus on lockdown, prime minister says

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“People will not be allowed to enter or leave areas with outbreaks of coronavirus, and violating this will be a criminal offense. https://t.co/eI0erL3Jb4”

twitter.com

 

[LazyLizard]

So, how long before this thread is called RACIST? Joking about Corona-chan is insensitive!

College investigating reports of coronavirus-themed party

The Asian American Alliance, a student organization at the University at Albany, condemned the party hosted by students last weekend as racist and insensitive.

www.dailymail.co.uk

how dare you not let me coof on you!? fucking racist!

 

[TwinkLover6969]

Russia-linked disinformation campaign fueling coronavirus alarm, US says

Washington (AFP) - Thousands of Russian-linked social media accounts have launched a coordinated effort to spread alarm about the new coronavirus, disrupting global efforts to fight the epidemic, US officials say.

The disinformation campaign promotes unfounded conspiracy theories that the United States is behind the COVID-19 outbreak, in an apparent bid to damage the US image around the world by seizing on health concerns.

State Department officials tasked with combating Russian disinformation told AFP that false personas are being used on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to advance Russian talking points in multiple languages.

"Russia's intent is to sow discord and undermine US institutions and alliances from within, including through covert and coercive malign influence campaigns," said Philip Reeker, the acting Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia.

"By spreading disinformation about coronavirus, Russian malign actors are once again choosing to threaten public safety by distracting from the global health response," he said.

The claims that have been circulating in recent weeks include allegations that the virus is a US effort to "wage economic war on China," that it is a biological weapon manufactured by the CIA or part of a Western-led effort "to push anti-China messages."

US individuals including Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, a philanthropist who has spent billions on global health programs, have also been falsely accused of involvement in the virus.

The disinformation campaign was identified by US monitors in mid-January after Chinese officials announced a third death from the new coronavirus in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

More than 2,340 people have since died, mostly in China. The number of cases exceeds 76,000 and the virus has reached around 25 countries. Among them is Iran, which on Saturday ordered the closure of schools and universities in two cities, after a fifth death.

Russia-linked disinformation campaign fueling coronavirus alarm, US says

Thousands of Russian-linked social media accounts have launched a coordinated effort to spread alarm about the new coronavirus, disrupting global efforts to fight the epidemic, US officials say. The disinformation campaign promotes unfounded conspiracy theories that the United States is behind...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Slimboy Fat]

Anyone know if Chinese hospitals have the problems with MRSA and CDiff that American hospitals do? I can't imagine that would be helping recovery efforts.

You know, now that you mention it...

For the uninformed, CDiff and MSRA are fucking nightmares. Refuses to die. Cleaning protocol for MSRA rooms is to throw literally everything out and then wipe every single surface in the room with a bleach solution twice. Cdiff is even worse, throw everything out with even more prejudice, then clean the whole thing with industrial sanitizer, then again with bleach and one last time with cold water, including walls and even the fucking ceiling. Those things just refuse to die. They are fairly harmless unless you are immunocompromised, which is why they are contained in hospitals. Throwing into the mix a super contagious respiratory problem... Well, might want to postpone that surgery a few more months...

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

NFG. Those who don't listen just have to feel. Anyone with two brain cells could tell that having so many supplier eggs in one basket, at such a great distance from home, combined with the just-in-time inventory model was just asking for trouble. just too many vulnerable nodes in the system.

So these companies will spend the money they thought saved on getting substitutes, if possible, and relocating operations outside of China. Hey, when you are blinded by short-term profits you tend not to see a lot of things.

Went to the commissary today. Wife wanted frozen salmon. Looked around, found frozen salmon. Caught in China. No. Found some USA-produced salmon fillets. Paid more than for the Chinese-caught fish, but don't care. Look around at your frozen fish. More from China than might be thought. That will be another group of products that will be in short supply before long.

Also got the new laptop today, and have put it away.

The salmon anecdote reminded me that Corona-chan is going to help restore sealife and reduce extinction of rare animals. Truly she is the saviour we deserve.

 

[Sanshain]

The salmon anecdote reminded me that Corona-chan is going to help restore sealife and reduce extinction of rare animals. Truly she is the saviour we deserve.

Try to buy line-caught fish as well. They're more expensive, but in my experience, far tastier. Tried line-caught tuna in oil a few weeks ago. I can now never go back to the tinned stuff. Ever.

 

[Ahriman]

Likelihood of Israeli infected with coronavirus has 'risen significantly'

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that he would hold a meeting about the coronavirus in the Health Ministry's "war room" on Sunday morning.

www.jpost.com

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“Israel's ambassador to China has been quarantined because he was on the same flight as South Korean tourists who tested positive for coronavirus - Jerusalem Post”

twitter.com

W-WE CAN'T SHUT IT DOWN!!!!!!

 

[moocow]

Russia-linked disinformation campaign fueling coronavirus alarm, US says

Washington (AFP) - Thousands of Russian-linked social media accounts have launched a coordinated effort to spread alarm about the new coronavirus, disrupting global efforts to fight the epidemic, US officials say.

I hate the press so fucking much.

"Russia's intent is to sow discord and undermine US institutions and alliances from within, including through covert and coercive malign influence campaigns," said Philip Reeker, the acting Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia.

"By spreading disinformation about coronavirus, Russian malign actors are once again choosing to threaten public safety by distracting from the global health response," he said.

Trump needs to fire this asshole. Nothing says "secretary of state" like shitting on a foreign nuclear power like this without producing a shred of proof.

The claims that have been circulating in recent weeks include allegations that the virus is a US effort to "wage economic war on China," that it is a biological weapon manufactured by the CIA or part of a Western-led effort "to push anti-China messages."

This is the first time I've heard of these ideas ... almost as if it's the press trying to spread these phony explanations around to make people angry at the US instead of China.

The disinformation campaign was identified by US monitors in mid-January after Chinese officials announced a third death from the new coronavirus in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

Can they prove this, like at all? Can they demonstrate this wasn't just a throwaway shitpost on 4chan and that it was actually Ivan and Boris spreading it around?

More than 2,340 people have since died, mostly in China. The number of cases exceeds 76,000 and the virus has reached around 25 countries. Among them is Iran, which on Saturday ordered the closure of schools and universities in two cities, after a fifth death.

And they're still trying to make it sound like no big deal outside China. Odd that they're suddenly sympathetic to Iran of all places, too. This crowd was chomping at the bit for a war with Iran not too long ago, weren't they?

 

[thx1138]

I don't know shit about hospitals except that I don't like them but when it comes to construction, I do know that drywall is made from porous paper and porous gypsum, if you've got someone with an infectious disease in a room for days or weeks whether they live or die, if that bug is permeating those walls, and those acoustic ceiling tiles, how can just spraying it with disinfectant help, if said bug is down in the nooks and crannies at the microscopic level?

(Man, I apologize for that run on sentence.)

 

[potato in mah painus]

I don't know shit about hospitals except that I don't like them but when it comes to construction, I do know that drywall is made from porous paper and porous gypsum, if you've got someone with an infectious disease in a room for days or weeks whether they live or die, if that bug is permeating those walls, and those acoustic ceiling tiles, how can just spraying it with disinfectant help, if said bug is down in the nooks and crannies at the microscopic level?

(Man, I apologize for that run on sentence.)

There are cleaners that are designed specifically to handle that, vinegar a prime example since it murders spores in wood and drywall.

 

[Ahriman]

BREAKING: Italy to put areas with outbreaks of coronavirus on lockdown, prime minister says
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BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“People will not be allowed to enter or leave areas with outbreaks of coronavirus, and violating this will be a criminal offense. https://t.co/eI0erL3Jb4”

twitter.com

Inter-Sampdoria football match suspended, riots and looting in Italy approaching very fast

Coronavirus in Italia: tutte le notizie di febbraio

www.repubblica.it

PORCO DIO!

 

[Noideawhattopick]

 

[Coleslaw]

The Russians helped us a fuckton with the pandemic. Sure they took some of our land back in the 1700s but we might as well give America back to the Indians at this point.