Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[kcbbq]

Fucked is the wrong word.

The Dow made historic gains in the last 12 months. A 1000 point adjustment is nothing.

These concerns are driven by fears about Coronavirus in Italy and South Korea. They will get their shit straight or face economic consequences. The markets still dictate what happens in those economies.

The greater concern is what happened in China. Shanghai and Shenzhen bounced back after liquidity injections in China, it's kind of a double edged sword. If these indexes sustain the comeback, that's great! It means the supply chains are coming back, the Dow will reach new heights. If these indexes collapse, that's great! Those supply chains will move to another country, be restored, and the Dow will reach new heights.

No matter what, Wall Street wins.

Weren't you claiming earlier today for no obvious reason that the Dow would close down more than 3000 points today?

 

[Aib Ld]

What's up with Italy? Every other state recovers well against the virus but people from Italy drops like flies. Is it a case of some ethnicity differences, Italy has problems before this, poor health care, targetting previously sick people, a weird happenstance, or what?

 

[pwnest injun]

People complaining about racism and xenophobia in the face of a pandemic are incredibly stupid. This is literally the reason why racism/xenophobia exists. People who have a stronger disgust response when confronted with strangers are less likely to die from a spreading disease, and therefore more likely to pass on their genes. It's like being mad at your skin for keeping all your fluids in and bacteria out.

In fact, encouraging people not to be xenophobic during a pandemic is just ensuring that only the most naturally xenophobic people are the ones who live to perpetuate themselves.

 

[Niggaplease]

What's up with Italy? Every other state recovers well against the virus but people from Italy drops like flies. Is it a case of some ethnicity differences, Italy has problems before this, poor health care, targetting previously sick people, a weird happenstance, or what?

it depends on the area italy in some parts are very rural. If you get viral pneumonia and don't get supportive treatment your mortality rate doubles.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Alright so it's been a day, still got family dinner to… "look up" to… Yeah let's go with that. But some hours ago I told you I was ruminating a little something suspicious and it's far from gone away since then, only made it worse actually, so now that I got some rest time let me tell you of a few facts I got and how they affect my view on what might or might not be happening.

Let's actually start with a few points of data that might be relevant later but aren't immediately important:
-Winter 17-18 was THE most lethal flu season in spain in the last decade with 472 deaths. Yeah that's not a lot but for the flu it is at least here.
-Winter 19-20, more concretely mid january 2020 to early february 2020 has been THE most infective flu epidemic in cadiz since we even bothered taking notes how many infected there have ever been, exceeding by twice the numbers required to be declared an epidemic. This is not to say however it's been any more LETHAL. It's in fact been as benign as it could get when it comes to lethality and our healthcare system didn't even need buffing past the usual, they did recieve some added visits but nothing close to emergency levels, most people didn't even notice they had the flu until being screened for symptoms and were just told to avoid interactions, and most ignored that warning because all their friends had been told the same so they went "well if we're all sick anyway who cares", even the ones with symptoms only got some headaches, sometimes stomachaches, and maybe a bit of a sore throat or a cough, a few reported getting the runny shits, It has been actually way less severe than most years, by a lot. (While I was outside the province I got the shits myself, which apparently for this year makes me one of the most severe cases around... Fucking weird I tell you.)

Alright so prologue aside. I did notice one thing today. Looking at people I did not see a single person that showed symptoms of anything. But talking to people, almost everyone told me they got a cold. Like I mean EVERYONE had a mild cold. I made some calls to the people I know in healthcare and they told me than while after early february the flu patients had all but gone indeed doctors did seem to almost all have cold symptoms and the more nervous had been asked to be put where no risky patients go due to thinking they might have the flu themselves, so while the system was working just fine they did get a bit on edge with that and didn't know if they should expect round two, which since Corona-chan was winking at them from the other side of Eurasia they were dreading. Talking to the friend whose father is in chemo due to lung cancer, their mom got the flu recently, and noticed the symptoms just a few hours after HAVING SEX with the guy, you can imagine how much they freaked out, but he has no symptoms, her symptoms are mild and she's self quarantining even though the rest of the family is fairly sure while the flu is no STD if he didn't catch it after snu snuing he's probably not catching it.

Here are then the 3 last bits of info I got for you.
1-I was vaccinated this year. Since I have contact with multiple medical personnel I do it just for the sake of herd immunity. It didn't do shit, which probably explains why so many people got sick, the vaccines just straight up didn't work this year. I dunno the numbers outside of cadiz but they used the same vaccine in all of spain so it's probably similar.
2-A friend of mine has pet rodents. He's told me a weak ago both him and his pets caught the flu, he treat his rodents for the parasites most of them have which start getting worse when they get sick and gave them basic care, they've ALL recovered heartily. He told me this because he was worried he might've caused the symptoms because they were so mild that he didn't know if it might be a cold and therefore he might've caused his rodents to get sick due to not controling temperature. But after he told me his symptoms, they included fever. That was no cold.
3-I am currently sick again. This morning I woke up with a bit of a headache, thought it was the travel, most of the day was fine but after I took a really stupid decission and wound up running halfway through the town so as not to be late I started to get worse, and being outside all day walking up and down didn't help. Now I got some fairly typical cold symptoms and, well… a mild fever. I think you see where I'm going.

All of cadiz and probably spain seems to have simultaneously got this january a weird flu that ignores vaccines, can infect from humans to rodents and is very easy to pass along. And we're now seeing obvious signs of reinfections. Yeah I'mma say it I think best girl Corona might've been giving Spain the dirtiest of lapdances since january and no one noticed because she was wearing a paper mask with "common cold" written on it. Now, let me ellaborate and first of all offer alternatives.

The climate is shiiiiiiiit. Every year it's getting wackier. So it could just be a cold. The first time I got the "flu" this year I had no fever I just thought it was that because it was a tad too severe to be a cold so I self quarantined and that was that so I might've had a cold back then and now have the flu. As for my friend, he had the flu but his rodents could just have a cold, we don't know, the only treatment they recieved was for parasites most rodents are born with aside from that they got warmth and food that's hardly something that can discern between flu and cold, and even then I guess some strands of the flu could probably infect rodents like that it's not unheard off. So it might, hell, it probably is just a cold and the a new strand of the flu which is way less lethal than usual but hasn't been added into the vaccine properly and as such herd immunity failed like a bitch. This makes sense, its the rational explanation, it's the "null hypothesis" equivalent until further evidence can be shown. But let me get my tinfoil hat on for a second.

If this really WAS Corona-chan's doing, we might be able to predict some things: Looking at italy it seems they have the same, all the dead people were both old and sick, the deaths are way bellow what you'd expect of even the flu so far, and the only one that does not fit that criteria was someone that was fine until he RAN A MARATHON WHILE SICK, which any marathon runner or person who knows a marathon runner can tell you makes perfect sense, like, excess exercise does a fucking number in your immune system, hell I got to be living proof of that today, and a marathon is way, way harder for the immune system to endure than what I did. Though I am one unfit bastard. So point is, our friendly neiborhood waifu might actually be LESS lethal than the USUAL FLU. It certainly would fit what I'm seeing now. And since this shit's been doing the rounds since january it's likely not gonna get worse. So china's deathtoll really might just be "because china" and not "because corona", we might be looking at a virus so fucking weak than almost an entire province can get it without even noticing it or having any uptick in deaths. The doctors aren't screening for this shit because they just mark severe cases down as the flu and most cases don't even come to them, hell most people just tell this to you casually in confidence but don't think it's anything other than a cold and therefore would never go to the hospital at all. After all, if there's less deaths than most years you wouldn't go checking for the scary chinese pandemic now would you?

Aside from that explanation, there's also the possibility than spain is resilient because spain, in which case it might be because corona has some parts in common with the flu (they're certainly very similar in function, though I don't see why they'd be similar enough in biology honestly) to the point where having gotten the flu this year (if it's this second outbreak of "common colds") or the much more severe strand last years could've immunized the population at least partially. Or it might just be than Iberian genes are saving our asses like african genes saved those prostitutes who were immune to HIV. I dunno. But… If this is Corona's doing, then she's one laughable sonuvabitch.

Either way I haven't told anyone about my suspicions yet. Most people just think they got a cold and everone around them is healthy, I just… pay more attention to these things because as you know, I'm a bit of a sperg. And by that I mean I'm a medically diagnosed sperg, so yeah scratch that "a little bit", and I don't wanna alarm people for nothing if I'm wrong. Either way I already planned to quarantine myself after carnaval and I'll be doing that, but, I do wonder if my fellow Gaditanos might be about to turn into the "rats" to this "black death", as I said, most of them come here for a week and then go to where they work, all over fucking europe. So... I guess if in a few weeks we see europe turn into a christmas tree then, I'm not sorry it's your damned fault for snuffing the life off of our city and then using us as cheap, educated slave lavor you greedy globalist fucks, TAKE THAT SHIT NIGGAS! Muahahahahaha.

You're overthinking things and looking for paterns in raindrops.

Also the yearly flu vaccine is a wild assed guess at which flavor of flu hits that year. They ussualy guess wrong so the vaccine has little effect.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

According to his spokeswoman, the Slovakian Prime Minister Peter Pellegrini has not contracted the new type of corona virus. Pellegrini suffers from pneumonia, "but that's all," said spokeswoman Patricia Macikova on Monday in Bratislava. Previously, rumors in Brussels had spread that the Slovakian prime minister might be infected with the causative agent of the lung disease Covid-19.


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Yeah, sure. It's just pneumonia, dude

"Just" pneumonia is funny 'cause it's still one of the leading causes of death in the US. A lot of that is aspiration pneumonia but still...it's not really something you want to have.

 

[whatever I feel like]

What's up with Italy? Every other state recovers well against the virus but people from Italy drops like flies. Is it a case of some ethnicity differences, Italy has problems before this, poor health care, targetting previously sick people, a weird happenstance, or what?

Could be smoking, general health standards in the poorer areas, more pollution or a combination of those and other things. Could also just be down to luck in this particular case.

 

[JoyQ]

It makes sense that if someone engineered it they would want it to spread quickly without detection and weaken people. That could mean the death toll seems pretty small lowering our defense instincts. No one is panicked because “it only kills the old sick” until it’s in every country and then slowly people die over the next few years. Everyone gets sick once every couple years. It could just be laying in wait for our immune system to become compromised.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Weren't you claiming earlier today for no obvious reason that the Dow would close down more than 3000 points today?

Yes, someone was saying the Dow was down by 800, I pointed out it was currently down 1000 and could end up 3000 down.

That doesn't undo the performance over the last 12 months.

 

[la mort]

WHO says no longer uses 'pandemic' category, but virus still emergency

 

[HumanHive]

Italy is a shithole and has been for centuries. That's often difficult for people to fully understand - thinking it to be quite cultured, and thus well off - but it has little industry outside of the North and didn't benefit at all from various waves of government mismanagement. Add to the fact that it is currently a free port to anyone who wants to migrate into the EU; and you have to wonder why it hasn't gotten a pandemic sooner.

It's pretty much serving the same role right now as it did during the Black Death: first to be hit. It's easy to contain incoming air traffic from Asia, less easy to contain boat traffic from Africa and the Middle East.

 

[simulated goat]

First 2 cases in OMAN:

DUBAI, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Oman's health ministry reported on Monday the first two cases of coronavirus infections in the Gulf Arab state, Oman TV said.

The two Omani women diagnosed with the disease had visited Iran, it said. They are in stable condition, it added.

Oman reports first two cases of coronavirus - TV

CHINA-HEALTH/OMAN (URGENT):Oman reports first two cases of coronavirus - TV

news.trust.org

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Mr. Camus to the white courtesy phone, please.

If Corona kills Dario Argento I'm going to be pissed.

At least he finished the 'suspira/three sister trilogy'. Whew.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The thread's moving fast today. The interesting part is the market crash, this means that either the elites have decided to sell or that the peasants are revolting.
A new trend I notice is praising China's lack of human rights as being effective against the disease while telling that the west is fucked in case of an outbreak, trying to strengthen China's image and economy on the expense of the west (and maybe get some new laws that limit civil rights). It is beyond disgusting and I'll argue that people towing the line deserve to be lined against the wall and shot.

People in Milan and Lombardy are storming through supermarkets to buy water, fruit, veggies, meat, fish, hand sanitisers, disposable gloves. There are pictures of empty shelves in this article.

Do you mean canned fruits or regular fruits? Because the latter won't hold a long time.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

despite how they make it look in movies, Rome esp is an absolute cesspit. at times it feels like a third-world country set to a touristy vibe.

 

[Beluga]

Do you mean canned fruits or regular fruits? Because the latter won't hold a long time.

As far as I know it's both. I'd assume people go for canned food and long lasting food first but when there's no more of them they go for fresh produce. People are used to cooking in fairly big batches here. They could cook a shitton of meals and then freeze them.

The media here are saying that we've got the highest numbers in Europe because more people are getting tested compared to other countries. I think it's mainly because Italians tend to be hypochondriacs (so we go to the doctor a lot more often than say a Brit or a Dutch) and are fairly susceptible to panic.

I also find it really weird that there haven't been more cases confirmed across the continent, honestly I find it extremely unbelievable and unrealistic. I'm not saying that there's some sort of conspiracy, I just think other EU countries are burying their heads in the sand and denying reality. Since Schengen I'd argue it's virtually impossible to stop the spread of the virus. I guess they're trying to work out how to deal with people infected with it.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

i like Campbell but i can't understand why he supports WHO so much. he's not dumb, he know how corrupt they are yet he keeps putting them in such a positive light.

It's so he doesn't get his YouTube channel fucked with by Google.

A friend of mine showed me this a few minutes ago. It looks like google is getting in on censoring youtube channels that point out how china is lying through their teeth about the virus

Totally not censoring anyone on behalf of the CCP at all guys

 

[Buddy Booth]

People are panicking because the government is composed of absolute clowns. On one hand we're not supposed to panic and spread allarmism, on the other the measures deployed to contain this thing have basically no precedent. Fuck, we might have had something similar going on in the 1600s or something.
Our premier has the charisma and the political acumen of a shoe rack: this extraordinary quarantine might also be a way for him to come off as competent and decisive.
Consider this: thanks to chink incompetence we still know very little about the virus. We've currently deployed a bunch of carabinieri to curtail the red zone, with just masks as protection.
These guys are supposed to handle possibly infected subjects: do we even know if masks are gonna do anything? Nope!
So yeah, I'm just waiting on the edge of my seat for this thing to start spreading further.

 

[Aib Ld]

Italy is a shithole and has been for centuries. That's often difficult for people to fully understand - thinking it to be quite cultured, and thus well off - but it has little industry outside of the North and didn't benefit at all from various waves of government mismanagement.

Shit, man. I have a friend who's born there. She shows pictures of her town-and its indeed beautiful- but knowing this gives me fear. She's alright for now but I'm worried about the future.
Back on topic, I noticed that Corona exploded at a bad time. Other than the flu season, allergy/pollen season joined now. This is going to make symptoms harder to tell and make it more easily spread with the sniffles and sneezes for those with allergies.

 

[Beluga]

People are panicking because the government is composed of absolute clowns. On one hand we're not supposed to panic and spread allarmism, on the other the measures deployed to contain this thing have basically no precedent. Fuck, we might have had something similar going on in the 1600s or something.

Yes and the media haven't helped at all. Italian journalists are a nasty breed of incompetence, ignorance, borderline illiteracy and exceptionalism.

ETA. Personally I'm more worried about being quarantined and the long term economical consequences. The North is the industrial and financial heart of the country. If we stop, the whole country is fucked and believe me it's already been fucked senseless enough, it doesn't need anymore of it. Also: in Milan alone there are 1.4 million people. This is not China, you cannot quarantine a city like this and expect people to cooperate immediately in the name of The Nation. Even if they did it people would either completely panic or would try to keep living their normal lives in defiance of the decrees because "Fuck the government, nobody can tell me what to do" is essentially the motto of every Italian. I hope that the situation will calm down in a couple of weeks time max but you never know with this shit.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The thread's moving fast today. The interesting part is the market crash, this means that either the elites have decided to sell or that the peasants are revolting.

Or the economy was a house of cards made to look impressive but would collapse at any road bump.