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I'd still call literally trying to kill people for disagreeing with them worse than being slightly annoying to argue with online.
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I'd still call literally trying to kill people for disagreeing with them worse than being slightly annoying to argue with online.
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Again, sucking off an animator and praising their works like it was the Bible is cringy but it has nothing on say, successfully getting someone to kill themselves:
WoY Out of Context
And that is why I stay away from fandoms and the stupid idiots that make them up.
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I didn’t know this person or was ever involved, but she didn't deserve this. This fandom is supposed to represent what this show represents: Joy, Kindness, Friendship & Selflessness. Can please we...
Moving on to the point of creator worship, I’m still contesting to that. I have seen plenty of people worship Faust and Sugar like saints and get very defensive if you speak ill of their work. Thankfully, no current creator has been dumb enough to sic their fans on the world but it wouldn’t be a pretty sight if they did...
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Again, sucking off an animator and praising their works like it was the Bible is cringy but it has nothing on say, successfully getting someone to kill themselves:
WoY Out of Context
And that is why I stay away from fandoms and the stupid idiots that make them up.www.google.com
That’s right; a cartoon fandom actually got a successful kill and it’s something you never hear about.JaDangerz
I didn’t know this person or was ever involved, but she didn't deserve this. This fandom is supposed to represent what this show represents: Joy, Kindness, Friendship & Selflessness. Can please we...www.google.com
Moving on to the point of creator worship, I’m still contesting to that. I have seen plenty of people worship Faust and Sugar like saints and get very defensive if you speak ill of their work. Thankfully, no current creator has been dumb enough to sic their fans on the world but it wouldn’t be a pretty sight if they did...
Admittedly no John K. fanboy ever drove anyone to death through harassment, so I will give you that.
But you want to talk about harassment... oh, boy, I can tell you about harassment. The people who went to work like Games and got treated like pariahs could tell you about harassment. They regularly got death threats in the mail. There are people on that crew who nearly had nervous breakdowns.
And you wonder why the women who exposed him didn't come forward until a few years ago? He had certain fanboys and cronies of his send them threats to ensure they wouldn't speak up. The guy who wrote the book on Ren and Stimpy said those same certain people were spreading lies about his mental stability to get people not to talk to him.
That is why I can't say any modern cartoon fandom is worse than that. The creators generally do not indulge in the same Tumblr cancel-culture shit I see from the fans. Remember a while ago when someone posted fan art for Amphibia that was not sexual in the slightest and had everyone calling them a pedophile? People on the crew told the fans to knock it off and defended the artist. There are people who are overzealous in their hero-worship of the creators, but I don't see any blind cult shit like there was with John K. anymore. Modern animation fandom has some really awful tendencies, but having seen the way things used to be, it could genuinely be worse.
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At this point, I’m going to ask you post some serious sources because you’re absolving John K of his shit more than his fans; as it is, you brought him up out of the blue when I made a comment about current animators. No one animator from Canada has the resources of Harvey Weinstein.
And “worse than back then”? A person has died from getting swamped by zealous fans. The Amphibia crew got so harassed, one random crew member had to vent on 4chan. I’m with @AnOminous here, it’s fucked up to look at all this and go “well they’re not hero worshipping so it’s all good in my book.”
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I'm not absolving John K. of this shit. He's as responsible as anyone, because he encouraged the worst tendencies of his fans. I can't think of any cartoon creator who actually tries to encourage the worst parts of their fandom. Craig McCracken never told the Wander Over Yonder fandom to harass that poor woman until she died. Lauren Faust didn't encourage the disgusting Brony fetishists.
As for sources, here you are:
Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren & Stimpy Story
The all-time greatest TV cartoon's psychotic saga! In the 1990s animation boom, The Ren & Stimpy Show stood supreme. Animation's most talented and disturbed artists created an entity for the Nickelodeon cable network that pulled the art form out of a 25-year rut. The world has never been quite...
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(They mention death threats from Spumco, but they did get death threats from fans as well...)
https://twitter.com/allnewzbadnewz/status/980534947554439168
(Eddie Fitzgerald and Steve Worth were not only fanboys of John's but cronies of his. They were some of John's biggest sycophants. No matter where you were back in the day, these guys would show up and rant at you if you said a bad word about John... And there were so many more like them as well. It was impossible to have a civil conversation about R&S at the time.)
Well, now they're just annoying because they've all thankfully gone by the wayside and there are barely any left. I'm not going to deny that the Steven Universe fandom is, indeed, pretty bad, but it could be a hell of a lot worse.
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I thought we were talking about toxic fandoms, not toxic creators. John K is absolute garbage, but his fans are merely annoying and from a different Internet era. Rebecca Sugar isn't particularly nasty or mean but the SU fandom is the worst people in the world who aren't some kind of criminal gang.
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Plus, not every creator and fandom was like John freaking K. There were shows like Batman, Powerpuff Girls, Dexter’s Lab, Gargoyles, etc that had staff and fans who weren’t complete tards.
>inb4 But Sugar didn’t tell her fans to do that.
No one made that argument and no one should. Still doesn’t change the fact that the fans have done horrendous shit on their own accord.
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That's true, but you have to remember that in the 90s things were different. Most of the cartoons from back then didn't have big fandoms unless they were for adults, and those fandoms were, admittedly, much saner than they are now.
I didn't really want to get into this argument, but I'm going to say one last thing. There's a lot of awful shit in the animation fandoms of today. The Steven Universe fandom is pretty bad. The Bronies are still pretty bad even if they don't get as much attention as they once were. Pretty much every fandom, no matter how sane, has awful elements. I'm not denying this.
But, man, the John K. fandom was really fucking bad, and there were ways in which it was bad that no modern fandom has been as of yet. If we'd been around in 2006 we'd have had a thread on them. I'd rather take the toxic, awful fandoms of today over them, and I don't like them any more than you do, so I think you get how bad they were.
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We’re still talking about people who successfully got someone to kill themselves over a ship between two characters; unless John K fans are a literal cult and committed murder in his name, you’re not going to convince anyone here that these types of people are the saner ones. Shockingly, bullying someone to the point of ending their life over 2D animated characters that don’t even exist is a pretty big hurdle to jump over.
And to be honest, it feels like you have a personal grudge against his fanbase; keep in mind, my original post had nothing to do with fandoms or creators yet you still fell the need to go “Well what about John K’s fanbase hmmmm?”
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Like I said, they pretty much were a cult. They were absolutely crazy. Not to the point of getting someone to kill themselves... that I know of... but if you'd been around when they were still a thing, you'd know what I meant.
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I genuinely don't like the shit that goes on in modern animation fandoms, but let's not pretend things were better before they came along. It's not like when the CalArts style and MLP came along everything went to shit. There were insane fanboys back in the day as well. The only difference is that they didn't have Tumblr. SJWs weren't a thing. (So, admittedly, in some ways it was better.)
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You had guys like Dennis "quozl" Falk who stalked the Tiny Toons VA who played Babs, Tress MacNielle, arguably being the proximate cause of the series being canceled. But he was a notorious freak who was famous for this. That guy wouldn't even stand out that much these days because fandoms are full of lunatics who make him look like an amateur.
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He wasn't the case. The crew just wanted to move on to Animaniacs. Falk had nothing to do with it. They were, however, definitely aware of him. He's caricatured in the Tiny Toons Halloween special.
Aside from the John K. fans, admittedly, animation fandom in the 90s and 2000s was relatively sleepy. You had nuts, but they were generally loners. Peter Guerin was pretty much alone in the Daria fan community, for example. (If there's another person that notorious in that community, I haven't heard of him.)
Fandoms today are generally worse than they used to be. I won't deny that.
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Key word is “suicide” and “literally cult”. I’m talking on the level of Charles Manson and Jonestown, not a bunch of autists on the web. Unless they have a kill count, driving people to suicide will be seen as objectively worse. I shouldn’t have to point this out.
And nowhere did I ever pretend that things were better back then; on the contrary I think everyone here agrees things could get fucked up back then and no one ever claimed that everything went to shit the moment CalArts and MLP made it big. But the fact of the matter is things are getting worse and going “well things were way worse back then” isn’t helping things.
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Apparently, the people most at risk in the "Donald Trump World" shouldn't have the capacity for self-defense -
How do these dumb fucks manage to say "Donald Trump is an imminent, existential threat to minorities!" one second, then immediately deny that those same minorities should have the capacity to resist the exact tyranny they've proposed is definitely about to happen, any second not, pinky swear, the apocalypse is absolutely coming, the end is nigh! without immediately exploding from the insanity?
I have no idea who this dumbfuck is, but I have (((suspicions))), and I'm really not the sort that goes in for that kind of (((conspiracy))), normally -
Oh, look, he's a fucking commie -
In case anyone is wondering, Teck Mine was a massive oilsands project that's been scuppered, because the federal gov't has apparently decided that encouraging environmental innovation in resource extraction and transport is less important that caving in to the native groups that are blockading projects. The really juicy irony is that the native groups all get their treaty payments from the federal gov't, which gets the money to pay those payments from tax revenue, and the oilsands is a massive revenue generator. Even better is the fact that the Wet'suwe'ten group that's protesting is made up of "Ancestral Chiefs", who are basically pissed that the "Elected Chiefs" signed an agreement on allowing the Trans-Mountain pipeline to go through their "unceded lands"*; essentially, the "Hereditary Chiefs" are mad that they aren't the ones in control of the forthcoming slush fund, and they're livid that they're probably going to be cut out of the graft and nepotism.
* - "Unceded lands", from what I can gather, amount to lands that aren't officially covered by treaties between 1st Nations groups and the federal gov't. The lands in question are part of historical group territories, but were not granted to the treaty group during the negotiations, but are also not "Crown Land", which is territory specifically owned by the federal gov't. Basically, the Wet'suwe'ten protesters are not only bitching that their cut out of the graft, but that the pipeline is running through their "ancestral territory", but not actually through any territory they control or govern. That means they don't actually have any control over access rights, and can't hold an eventually functional pipeline hostage, because they have access to various valve points.
At any rate, apparently Quebec is down to less than 2 weeks worth of propane and natural gas, as a result of the blockades and transport interruptions, and the industrial dairy and livestock farming there is heavily dependent on both to heat barns, equipment, and run a ton of stuff. Quebec is also a massive part of Trudeau's power base, so if they start losing assets, because the Natives are blockading shit, he's in immediate political danger, and Quebec is being hit by the bow wave of a massive winter storm, one that's probably going to dump a couple feet of snow, and see temperatures as low as -30c. If there's not enough propane, there's going to be a lot of dead animals, really quickly.
/americahatsperg.
How do these dumb fucks manage to say "Donald Trump is an imminent, existential threat to minorities!" one second, then immediately deny that those same minorities should have the capacity to resist the exact tyranny they've proposed is definitely about to happen, any second not, pinky swear, the apocalypse is absolutely coming, the end is nigh! without immediately exploding from the insanity?
I have no idea who this dumbfuck is, but I have (((suspicions))), and I'm really not the sort that goes in for that kind of (((conspiracy))), normally -
Oh, look, he's a fucking commie -
In case anyone is wondering, Teck Mine was a massive oilsands project that's been scuppered, because the federal gov't has apparently decided that encouraging environmental innovation in resource extraction and transport is less important that caving in to the native groups that are blockading projects. The really juicy irony is that the native groups all get their treaty payments from the federal gov't, which gets the money to pay those payments from tax revenue, and the oilsands is a massive revenue generator. Even better is the fact that the Wet'suwe'ten group that's protesting is made up of "Ancestral Chiefs", who are basically pissed that the "Elected Chiefs" signed an agreement on allowing the Trans-Mountain pipeline to go through their "unceded lands"*; essentially, the "Hereditary Chiefs" are mad that they aren't the ones in control of the forthcoming slush fund, and they're livid that they're probably going to be cut out of the graft and nepotism.
* - "Unceded lands", from what I can gather, amount to lands that aren't officially covered by treaties between 1st Nations groups and the federal gov't. The lands in question are part of historical group territories, but were not granted to the treaty group during the negotiations, but are also not "Crown Land", which is territory specifically owned by the federal gov't. Basically, the Wet'suwe'ten protesters are not only bitching that their cut out of the graft, but that the pipeline is running through their "ancestral territory", but not actually through any territory they control or govern. That means they don't actually have any control over access rights, and can't hold an eventually functional pipeline hostage, because they have access to various valve points.
At any rate, apparently Quebec is down to less than 2 weeks worth of propane and natural gas, as a result of the blockades and transport interruptions, and the industrial dairy and livestock farming there is heavily dependent on both to heat barns, equipment, and run a ton of stuff. Quebec is also a massive part of Trudeau's power base, so if they start losing assets, because the Natives are blockading shit, he's in immediate political danger, and Quebec is being hit by the bow wave of a massive winter storm, one that's probably going to dump a couple feet of snow, and see temperatures as low as -30c. If there's not enough propane, there's going to be a lot of dead animals, really quickly.
/americahatsperg.
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It's one of the many instances of doublethink in their argument. On one hand, Trump is an immediate, existential threat, and any hope of compromise, negotiation, or coexistence is off of the table. But at the same time, you can't give agency or responsibility to the oppressed. It's all Trump's fault because he could do something about it--like say, falling on his metaphorical sword--but he doesn't, because he's evil and hates minorities.
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It’s very useful for them to make you afraid of a phantom threat, but not if you have the means to fight it off yourself. You’re supposed to be scared and running to them for help. Because their degree in fart-huffing convinced them they know what’s best for you.
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"Firearms of increasing lethality"
What? The new 2020 models kill you DOUBLE DEAD? They kill you, and EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!!!!!
There actually building the BFG-9000 from Doom that, if the trigger is pulled, kills whoever it hits, and then everyone else in the room up to 50 other people?
Guess that's the problem when every plinking pistol is an assault weapon... what do you do about a shotgun? When jaywalking is a capital offense, how do you punish a murderer?
What? The new 2020 models kill you DOUBLE DEAD? They kill you, and EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!!!!!
There actually building the BFG-9000 from Doom that, if the trigger is pulled, kills whoever it hits, and then everyone else in the room up to 50 other people?
Guess that's the problem when every plinking pistol is an assault weapon... what do you do about a shotgun? When jaywalking is a capital offense, how do you punish a murderer?
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What if you’re friends with someone Jewish and they invite you to their Seder? Is it appropriation then? Also, what about all those non-Catholics that participate in Easter and Christmas Mass? What about all non-Hindus that celebrate Holi? If you try and exclude people too much from certain cultural and religious practices, it might just create more tension between various groups.
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