Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[xyz741]

I want to know what idiot said there's no strong women in anime or anime is only for men. Ignoring the fact that I don't think there's a single Miyazaki movie WITHOUT a strong female character (including the Lupin III movie that he directed where the main character who is a notorious lech is suddenly incredibly chaste and the Fem Fatale is debatably the "strongest" character in the whole movie), hell there's several that debatably don't have a strong MALE character. But ignoring that, Rumiko Takahashi (a woman) is one of the most influential creators in Japan and has been making hit anime for literal decades. And I would direct any detractors to:
Shirobako
Genshiken (Season 2 specifically)
Princess Jellyfish
Which are all ABOUT female anime fans/creators. (Shirobako is technically about animation professionals in general, but many of the workers (who are mostly based on REAL PEOPLE) are women)

Project A-Ko is a great movie that includes (spoiler) basically ZERO "named" (AFAIK) male characters. (I think the sequels add a total of 2) I can name dozens of anime (that haven't been named yet) that feature compelling female lead characters. MOST of the time, the girls in JUMP shows (DBZ, One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, etc.) DO take a step back for the boys, because they come from a magazine targeted AT BOYS. But one obvious notable exception is Promised Neverland where the lead girl is arguably the strongest (overall) of the main cast.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Regarding the female character spergathon, I can't believe that not a single one of you alleged weebs has mentioned Black Lagoon.

Oops lol. But then again, personally, I was thinking of anime women from no later than the '90s to prove a point it's not "recent" that we've gotten strong female characters.

In fact, even though the characters are super flawed and I wouldn't necessarily say they're strong in terms of independence, Revolutionary Girl Utena is quite progressive for its time. SJWs latch on to it because of lesbians, but it goes against their stupid narrative, especially in claims of "gender fluidity". Because guess what, Tumblr, Utena is still a girl despite wanting to be a prince, and the anime just shows this is the case instead of beating it into your head that a girl taking up princely traits is not exactly a good idea in terms of her growth, while at the same time it doesn't punish her for it (but it also still does at the end, but not exactly).

Anthy is also an excellent example of a "woman of color" despite being vague about her origins, but she's different from what you "expect" from someone with dark skin, so it's easy to forget she's meant to "stand out" like that. There's also Nadia from Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, and the show involves her being in a blooming interracial relationship on top of it, in a time-period and society where that was still frowned upon.

If these people were actual anime fans, they would've known this has always been the case.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

I want to know what idiot said there's no strong women in anime or anime is only for men. Ignoring the fact that I don't think there's a single Miyazaki movie WITHOUT a strong female character (including the Lupin III movie that he directed where the main character who is a notorious lech is suddenly incredibly chaste and the Fem Fatale is debatably the "strongest" character in the whole movie), hell there's several that debatably don't have a strong MALE character. But ignoring that, Rumiko Takahashi (a woman) is one of the most influential creators in Japan and has been making hit anime for literal decades. And I would direct any detractors to:
Shirobako
Genshiken (Season 2 specifically)
Princess Jellyfish
Which are all ABOUT female anime fans/creators. (Shirobako is technically about animation professionals in general, but many of the workers (who are mostly based on REAL PEOPLE) are women)

Project A-Ko is a great movie that includes (spoiler) basically ZERO "named" (AFAIK) male characters. (I think the sequels add a total of 2) I can name dozens of anime (that haven't been named yet) that feature compelling female lead characters. MOST of the time, the girls in JUMP shows (DBZ, One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, etc.) DO take a step back for the boys, because they come from a magazine targeted AT BOYS. But one obvious notable exception is Promised Neverland where the lead girl is arguably the strongest (overall) of the main cast.

It's pretty obvious that the people saying that haven't watched much, or specifically cherry picked anime to avoid strong female characters.

 

[TheClappening]

Part of me just wants the appeals to be successful mainly because I wanna see what else the defendants are hiding.

I have a feeling we won't be seeing much from Funimation.

Worst case, Vic loses on appeals and what's done is done.

Best case, Vic brings them back on appeal. At that point Funimation has the option of continuing their slapfight with the Italian gay pants man, and being raped on discovery, or settling. Hell, Sony will put pressure on them to settle, since Tammy Denbow is a Sony employee and she's the key to opening up Sony communications to the public.

We saw how fast fucking CNN bent the knee to a MAGA-wearing smirking teenager a few months ago. Sony has no reason for their naughty adopted child to continue his tantrum when they can just settle.

That said... we don't know what MoRon or Marchi will do. And if any of those three are in we get discovery.

You know, I take it back. It's gonna be great if this gets back on appeals.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I have a feeling we won't be seeing much from Funimation.

Worst case, Vic loses on appeals and what's done is done.

Best case, Vic brings them back on appeal. At that point Funimation has the option of continuing their slapfight with the Italian gay pants man, and being raped on discovery, or settling. Hell, Sony will put pressure on them to settle, since Tammy Denbow is a Sony employee and she's the key to opening up Sony communications to the public.

We saw how fast fucking CNN bent the knee to a MAGA-wearing smirking teenager a few months ago. Sony has no reason for their naughty adopted child to continue his tantrum when they can just settle.

That said... we don't know what MoRon or Marchi will do. And if any of those three are in we get discovery.

You know, I take it back. It's gonna be great if this gets back on appeals.

What if Sony is so smug that they think there's nothing to worry about during discovery?
And Funimation thinks they can win anyway?
Imagine that this hubris makes them look like idiots as discovery uncovers some real skullduggery.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

That said... we don't know what MoRon or Marchi will do. And if any of those three are in we get discovery.

You know, I take it back. It's gonna be great if this gets back on appeals.

Are you new to the weeb wars? We already know what this chucklefucks would do, quadruple down on whatever the dumbest fucking option available to them is.

 

[TheClappening]

What if Sony is so smug that they think there's nothing to worry about during discovery?
And Funimation thinks they can win anyway?
Imagine that this hubris makes them look like idiots as discovery uncovers some real skullduggery.

If that happens I'll have to sue for bodily harm, because my sides will explode into orbit as they surpass space-time.

Are you new to the weeb wars? We already know what this chucklefucks would do, quadruple down on whatever the dumbest fucking option available to them is.

I'd like to think even those idiots have some sense of self preservation.

Then again, it's Weeb Wars. The writer likes to throw in curveballs.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Anyone

What if Sony is so smug that they think there's nothing to worry about during discovery?
And Funimation thinks they can win anyway?
Imagine that this hubris makes them look like idiots as discovery uncovers some real skullduggery.

Considering the level of stupid across corporate culture today (since most 'management' got their diplomas based on PC rather than Econ 101/Business practices) I think there is a very good chance they will go to discovery because...sing it with me...SJWs always double down.

"Sony" as an enitiy surely does not want that. However "Sony" as embodied by the idiot class, is stupid enough to do it. Think of it like an SJW. If they lost to Vic, thats damage to the agenda they cannot easily reverse or propaganda over. They HAVE...H A V E...to win. Or more honestly, Vic HAS to lose. They require it to continue advancing the agenda.

Sony the entity, shareholders et all, don't matter. Only the people in control of HR/PR matter.

Aside - See also what just happened to Iger and Didio when it goes badly for 'the agenda' types.

 

[Adach_Ame]

>all that sperging about muh stronk and powerful womyn in animu
Holy shit, the absolute Yanderedev-tier assburgers of you people!


Funny if true.

Inb4 discovery unearths the Loli Express Sabat and other Failimation VAs take to his Weebstein Island.

It's more so people get angry when these fuckwits are basically talking bullshit and you know they are bullshitting.

 

[giraffes on coffee]

I want discovery sooooooooo bad. I can just feel it - so much tard cum beneath that surface.

On another note: what the actual fuck is an "abuser's hug"?
I'm a woman. I met Vic. There was nothing wrong with his hugs.

Edit: That post by Michele ... in Feb. 2020 ... them tags, doll. Totes moving on, I see.
Also, dat filter.

What picture? The bitch finally blocked me on Twitter.

Also Vic's latest Unlocked stream was full of pure wholesome. He was very happy and bouncy. Here's a taste.

Victor Vargas on Twitter

“Vic singing Willie wonka song I know @StcFangirl will appreciate it @Squally_kins @Risembool_Lovi @ThatUmbrella @YellowFlashGuy @_Hero_Hei_ @SGSAMII @ComeGeekSome1 @BethGarrison93 @gothicsushii https://t.co/iObo7dZija”

twitter.com

 

[FadeIntoObsurity]

Sakura Card Captors had a female lead, it was still a great show and probably the first anime I actually really enjoyed when I was young, it helped that the dub was godlike (Viva México Cabrones), One Piece has been a thing for over 20 years and it's probably one of the most inclusive manga ever (the dub sadly was terrible because it was pretty much taking the 4kids version and doing that in Spanish, not as bad as the original 4kids dub, but still bad).

And also let's be clear here, women form a big part of the fandom for things like Saint Seiya and other shonen shows, because as much as some people complain about excessive sexualization of females, nobody really cared that, after the Time Skip, half of the males in One Piece were suddenly shirtless or more prone to take their shirts off during battles.

It's a two way street and anyone that disagrees probably hasn't seen enough manga of the top of my head I can think of 4 or five series that cater heavily to females even while being nominally shonen shows.

It's okay to sexualize men, but not women! Men should like being ogled at! That is just the mindset these people have, though. We're supposed to be equal. But those who fight for it the hardest just want to make things unequal in their favor. That's just the SJW way.

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The reason we are in this mess is because slimy people decided to hammer Vic NONSTOP for MONTHS before the lawsuit even came to be. No one convinced Vic of anything aside from the morons who couldn't stop calling Vic a predator every hour on the hour. They will never admit that being relentless on Twitter with slander is wrong though. Instead just blame everyone else. Come on... if the defendants were respectable human beings, they could have avoided this EASILY. What an idiot. I really do hope some counts come through on appeals just to bite them in the ass.

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Surprise surprise and another Channel Awesome sperg.
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Oh... so this is one of the "Canadian friends" Marzy was talking about before. Huh. So, I guess she must have asked this "friend" of hers for a favor to sperg out about the con. Funny that those that are trying to destroy the con are all connected.

I honestly didn't believe they were literal about the sexual assault hugs.
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Nothing but idiots. Vic did not get any sexual gratification from hugging anyone. He hasn't grabbed anyone's tits or ass. That's not even what people were complaining about... Sexual assault has a legal definition... and hugs aren't part of it. Hugs aren't even a sexual kind of touch. They keep arguing like it is and forget that context matters. If Vic did not intend harm... It's not even close to sexual assault or anything like that.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Oh... so this is one of the "Canadian friends" Marzy was talking about before. Huh. So, I guess she must have asked this "friend" of hers for a favor to sperg out about the con. Funny that those that are trying to destroy the con are all connected.

Possible connection?

Tolerant Lefties Posting Signs Saying "White Lives Don't Matter"

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[Random Internet Person]

I have a feeling we won't be seeing much from Funimation.

Worst case, Vic loses on appeals and what's done is done.

Best case, Vic brings them back on appeal. At that point Funimation has the option of continuing their slapfight with the Italian gay pants man, and being raped on discovery, or settling. Hell, Sony will put pressure on them to settle, since Tammy Denbow is a Sony employee and she's the key to opening up Sony communications to the public.

We saw how fast fucking CNN bent the knee to a MAGA-wearing smirking teenager a few months ago. Sony has no reason for their naughty adopted child to continue his tantrum when they can just settle.

That said... we don't know what MoRon or Marchi will do. And if any of those three are in we get discovery.

You know, I take it back. It's gonna be great if this gets back on appeals.

Don't forget, Nick says he's sitting on a cache of Funimation shit in case everything goes to shit. How much you wanna bet that cache overlaps with things that can be found in discovery?

What if Sony is so smug that they think there's nothing to worry about during discovery?
And Funimation thinks they can win anyway?
Imagine that this hubris makes them look like idiots as discovery uncovers some real skullduggery.

Anyone


Considering the level of stupid across corporate culture today (since most 'management' got their diplomas based on PC rather than Econ 101/Business practices) I think there is a very good chance they will go to discovery because...sing it with me...SJWs always double down.

"Sony" as an enitiy surely does not want that. However "Sony" as embodied by the idiot class, is stupid enough to do it. Think of it like an SJW. If they lost to Vic, thats damage to the agenda they cannot easily reverse or propaganda over. They HAVE...H A V E...to win. Or more honestly, Vic HAS to lose. They require it to continue advancing the agenda.

Sony the entity, shareholders et all, don't matter. Only the people in control of HR/PR matter.

Aside - See also what just happened to Iger and Didio when it goes badly for 'the agenda' types.

The only thing I can say about business is that companies won't step in until they see the bottom line directly affected. And seeing as this is Sony, they're not worried about dollars, but God help you if you hit the Yen.

 

[LuNaS]

I honestly didn't believe they were literal about the sexual assault hugs.
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Funnily enough, because I checked, that does not constitutes sexual assault, even in the most puritanical of classifications, hugs cannot be considered sexual assault unless the person assaulted explicitly tells the assaulter that they are uncomfortable with the hugs and/or tell the person to stop and the person continues.

Even if the person is in a position were they can't speak, let's say someone kisses you without your permission, that is not sexual assault unless you give the person a signal that you want him or her to get off of you, under those guidelines not even the hair pull things could be assault because at no point did they told Vic that the contact was unwelcome.

 

[TheBallPit]

This isn't specifically Vic related, but I saw something happen today that made me both sad and angry and is related in a larger context.

Hardware Unboxed is a tech enthusiast site that concentrates on PC parts. They're similar to Gamers Nexus, JayzTwoCents, and Linus Media Group. Anyway, they uncovered a negative facet about an MSI Ryzen motherboard (too-high VRM temps while using power-hungry processors) and - get this - the manufacturer agreed with their findings.

Tom's Hardware gets ahold of these results, runs their own highly flawed tests which only served to deflect the issue, and obviously comes up with different numbers which "exonerates" the motherboard in question. That in and of itself is disturbing, but they doubled-down at the same time and proceeded to call HU a bunch of liars and trolls. TH literally used those words. This response would've been considered weird and alien no less than a decade ago, but not anymore, apparently.

I just couldn't believe it, as TH used to be an EXTREMELY well-respected source for tech news and testing results. But there they were, going all tribal for no discernible reason and effectively slandering the name of a channel whose testing methodologies are transparent and relied-upon by the PC community.

Not only that, but apparently their forums are no better and have been sliding into skeevy behavior for awhile now by way of mods more interested in sucking-up to the very industry they're suppose to be monitoring and silencing valid observations that go against TH's slanted corporate mandate.

HU tried to contact the relevant people at TH to hash out the issue, but were rejected.

I just don't understand what's happening to this country. I mean, tribalism has its place, but certainly not in this context and not among people who are suppose to be intelligent, objective, and willing to share information and viewpoints for the greater public good. I can easily see this niche turning into yet another fat and juicy SJW target with all the inevitable subsequent drama and it's genuinely depressing.

Anyway, sorry for the windy post, but I wanted to get this off my chest. If a mod wants to delete this for going way off-topic, I'll understand.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Sakura Card Captors had a female lead, it was still a great show and probably the first anime I actually really enjoyed when I was young, it helped that the dub was godlike (Viva México Cabrones), One Piece has been a thing for over 20 years and it's probably one of the most inclusive manga ever (the dub sadly was terrible because it was pretty much taking the 4kids version and doing that in Spanish, not as bad as the original 4kids dub, but still bad).

And also let's be clear here, women form a big part of the fandom for things like Saint Seiya and other shonen shows, because as much as some people complain about excessive sexualization of females, nobody really cared that, after the Time Skip, half of the males in One Piece were suddenly shirtless or more prone to take their shirts off during battles.

It's a two way street and anyone that disagrees probably hasn't seen enough manga of the top of my head I can think of 4 or five series that cater heavily to females even while being nominally shonen shows.

It's why shows like Black Lagoon, Baccano, and Death Parade work. Equal number of females and males


How dare you fucks not mention Hell Girl and the women of Rose of Versailles! Don't forget Cat's Eye, Burn Up, Blue Seed, The Book of Bantorra, Utena, Madlax, Nuku Nuku, Tsunade, Rangiku, and Nadia from Secret of Blue Water
Sakura Wars ladies count too.

 

[NadeND-001]

This isn't specifically Vic related, but I saw something happen today that made me both sad and angry and is related in a larger context.

Hardware Unboxed is a tech enthusiast site that concentrates on PC parts. They're similar to Gamers Nexus, JayzTwoCents, and Linus Media Group. Anyway, they uncovered a negative facet about an MSI Ryzen motherboard (too-high VRM temps while using power-hungry processors) and - get this - the manufacturer agreed with their findings.

Tom's Hardware gets ahold of these results, runs their own highly flawed tests which only served to deflect the issue, and obviously comes up with different numbers which "exonerates" the motherboard in question. That in and of itself is disturbing, but they doubled-down at the same time and proceeded to call HU a bunch of liars and trolls. TH literally used those words. This response would've been considered weird and alien no less than a decade ago, but not anymore, apparently.

I just couldn't believe it, as TH used to be an EXTREMELY well-respected source for tech news and testing results. But there they were, going all tribal for no discernible reason and effectively slandering the name of a channel whose testing methodologies are transparent and relied-upon by the PC community.

Not only that, but apparently their forums are no better and have been sliding into skeevy behavior for awhile now by way of mods more interested in sucking-up to the very industry they're suppose to be monitoring and silencing valid observations that go against TH's slanted corporate mandate.

HU tried to contact the relevant people at TH to hash out the issue, but were rejected.

I just don't understand what's happening to this country. I mean, tribalism has its place, but certainly not in this context and not among people who are suppose to be intelligent, objective, and willing to share information and viewpoints for the greater public good. I can easily see this niche turning into yet another fat and juicy SJW target with all the inevitable subsequent drama and it's genuinely depressing.

Anyway, sorry for the windy post, but I wanted to get this off my chest. If a mod wants to delete this for going way off-topic, I'll understand.

How to build a PC shenanigans from The Verge anyone?

It's why shows like Black Lagoon, Baccano, and Death Parade work. Equal number of females and males


How dare you fucks not mention Hell Girl and the women of Rose of Versailles! Don't forget Cat's Eye, Burn Up, Blue Seed, The Book of Bantorra, Utena, Madlax, Nuku Nuku, Tsunade, Rangiku, and Nadia from Secret of Blue Water
Sakura Wars ladies count too.

Too many animes to list & there will be plenty that will slip through.
How can we forget Rally from Gun Smith Cats, girls from Youre Under Arrest and Oh! My Goddess.

 

[Seraphic_Vishnal]

Ahh Madlax I remember it fondly. I also remember the bloopers. Jay Hickman and Vic are really funny if I do say so myself.

 

[SpiralStars]

It's why shows like Black Lagoon, Baccano, and Death Parade work. Equal number of females and males


How dare you fucks not mention Hell Girl and the women of Rose of Versailles! Don't forget Cat's Eye, Burn Up, Blue Seed, The Book of Bantorra, Utena, Madlax, Nuku Nuku, Tsunade, Rangiku, and Nadia from Secret of Blue Water
Sakura Wars ladies count too.

Be careful of the trap in these arguments. In proving them wrong about the lack of XYZ you are potentially agreeing to their premise a lack of XYZ is automatically wrong. This empowers them to attack specific anime that do lack XYZ or are weak on XYZ representation. Once they've successfully attacked those anime, everyone else is afraid and starts to pander. It's a divide and conquer.

Not saying there's anything wrong to proving them wrong by example in itself. But then they can turn that around and prove themselves justified by example. It's a kind of a potential trap.

 

[Lone Outsider]

Funnily enough, because I checked, that does not constitutes sexual assault, even in the most puritanical of classifications, hugs cannot be considered sexual assault unless the person assaulted explicitly tells the assaulter that they are uncomfortable with the hugs and/or tell the person to stop and the person continues.

Even if the person is in a position were they can't speak, let's say someone kisses you without your permission, that is not sexual assault unless you give the person a signal that you want him or her to get off of you, under those guidelines not even the hair pull things could be assault because at no point did they told Vic that the contact was unwelcome.

Honestly it's why I see them as less than human given that they want to criminalize acts of affection, it just goes to show how hateful they are. Yes, no one likes unwanted physical affection, but it's rare that it becomes some kind of assault and that when they refuse stop when told to or it was to cop a feel or force a kiss. Manjawlo is the very example of the things she's accusing Vic of.