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Mossberg 590M 12 gauge. It has an internal magazine, but can also take removable box magazines. Get 4-5 10 round mags.
Your recommendation has me yearning for this gun, but I'm not sure it's legal to own where I live.

Not a gun guy, but in the 1990s I had a Spas 12 and loved it. Had to give it up after the assault weapons ban, but think about it fondly.
 
Have you ever been in an area after a hurricane or other natural disaster? Looting is common. If some people will freak out and drop all ideas of law and order over a temporary situation that they know will improve in a week or two, imagine how they will react when the length of the emergency is unknown.
See hurricane Katrina niggas looted stores days into it.
 
Yeah, humans are rational and empathetic creatures until social order breaks down. Best thing to do is to avoid cities and other crowded places.

Even without prepping at doomsday levels I'll be fine. I can survive for a few weeks.
You can survive in the city if you make it look like no one's home. Avoid fighting and are prepared to defend your property. If you want to leave now is a good time to do it once shit hits the fan everyone will try to leave and that can fuck your supply levels if you have to say fuck it and hoof it on foot.
 
Prepping is a series of steps, starting with being ready to shelter in place. Realistically, in a disaster, most people will be trapped at home for a short period. If you are stuck without basic necessities, you won't be able to do much afterwards. Prepping for anything beyond that is probably a waste of time and money.

And yet, some of us feel compelled to go beyond the basics.

Once you have a good setup where you live, the next step is to have the means to travel. I have 3 go bags buried in the vicinity of where I live, each has enough supplies to get me through a couple weeks at 1000 calories a day. Have been maintaining them for the last 15 years, some stuff happened earlier in life so being ready to go is important to me. They're just something I check in on every 6 months, test / rotate supplies, make sure nothing has expired.

Being able to travel means you need a place to go. I have an A list, B list and C list of places, depending on what happens I have options. For each location, I know the route to get there hiking and driving. There's a hand-held low-light Garmin device along with solar charger in each bag so I don't get lost. I've been to every place on my list within the last 2 years to check what's changed, and I know the buildings I'd use to hole up if necessary.

One of the things I keep on a map is junkyards, it's usually possible to find a junker that can be made to drive again if necessary. They're also a great source of materials for improvised tools, slingshots are more effective for hunting when you are firing lug nuts. Another thing I keep on a map is a list of breweries, there's research showing bars / restaurants / sources of booze are natural locations for people to congregate during emergencies. Depending on the situation, I can make a decision on whether to approach or avoid. Another map I keep is a list of food distribution centers for supermarket chains, the warehouses where they keep canned food. Not that many people are going to know where those are located, the odds of scavenging are better in a place like that.

Where I live, it would be stupid to build a bunker. If supplies were seriously interrupted, the city would be out of food in about 5 days. No one prepares, there's a lot of condos and high density housing that would put serious strains on existing stocks. Looters don't concern me much because it's mostly liberal faggots, it's more what kind of restrictions they would want to impose after a disaster occurs. Everyone would be safer if I just left town, and I'm fine with that.

In the book 'Under A Graveyard Sky' (book 1 of the Black Tide Rising series) author John Ringo posits a bio-weapon attack and follows a prepper family, it's a good read and the author does his research on just about everything including making the point that in a bio-emergency one should retreat to a small boat and visit the Caribbean.
Also the cover art-
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This shit will hit Los Angeles hard, the homeless camps will be the source of clogged hospitals and most of the deaths from the disease.
What will happen when the homies hear from the local news that a bunch of people are sick and dying? They aren't going to think it through and say "I'm sure it's just the homeless I'll be fine".

Shit can go sideways very quickly in L.A. and the next thing you know the city is burning and the Roof Koreans have zero fucks to give.


I will be giggling from my rural home.
In LA huh?

Isn't that where a homeless man poured a bucket of shit on someone there? Similar incidents by people who are infected to fling their infected poo poo at someone will increase the infection rate astronomically.
 
In LA huh?

Isn't that where a homeless man poured a bucket of shit on someone there? Similar incidents by people who are infected to fling their infected poo poo at someone will increase the infection rate astronomically.
Yeah just treat la as ground zero at this point.
 
Are you serious? Like, are all of you people talking about stocking up on guns so delusional that you think that societal order is going to collapse because of this? How fucking exceptional you are? Are you even adults?
look at any natural disaster, most people will just try to survive until help arrives and things go back to normal but there's always the people who go looting and robbing because they see a chance.
this isn't going to be one little event that isolated to one region like a storm this disease is going global and across the country meaning help will take even longer to arrive, best to make sure you're ready for the time between day 1 and the day rescue arrives.
 
Found this in a feed I get, for what it's worth.


Coronavirus Spread in the U.S.: When, Not If
— CDC says preparations for domestic transmission should begin
by Molly Walker, Associate Editor, MedPage Today February 25, 2020


Illustrated people wearing protective masks and coronavirus icons over a map of the U.S.

The U.S. should prepare for community transmission of the COVID-19 coronavirus, CDC officials said on Tuesday.

"We expect to see community spread [of COVID-19] in this country. It's not a question of 'if' anymore," said Nancy Messonnier, MD, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, on a media call.
Currently, the U.S. has 14 COVID-19 cases that are travel-associated or in close contacts of travelers, and 43 cases from citizens brought home from the Diamond Princess cruise ship and Wuhan, China. But she cited the "rapidly evolving and expanding" situation, including the explosion of sustained person-to-person community spread in a variety of countries, including South Korea, Italy, Iran, Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, and Singapore.

As the world inches closer to worldwide spread, and the final criterion of a pandemic, Messonnier acknowledged the previous strategy of containing the disease at the borders may no longer be enough to stop it. The strategy would then shift from a containment strategy to mitigation, she said.

"I had this conversation at the breakfast table," she said. "I told my children I didn't think we were at risk right now, but we as a family need to start preparing for significant disruptions to our lives." Messonnier added that she'd contacted her local school superintendent to ask what they were doing to prepare for potential community spread of COVID-19.
In the vein of "when, not if" the U.S. will experience community spread, she advised people to ask whether their providers have telemedicine capability, and said parents should consider "what to do about childcare" if schools are closed.

Messonnier outlined community mitigation guidelines, based on those outlined for pandemic influenza a decade ago. These non-pharmaceutical interventions include personal practices, including covering coughs and washing hands, as well as community and environmental measures such as surface cleaning.

Community measures are the most dire, and include social distancing, or limiting contact in face-to-face settings, employing such options as closing schools, telework or teleschool for children, and recommending that cities potentially "modify, postpone, or cancel mass gatherings."

This included a special advisory for the healthcare system: triaging patients, conducting patient visits via telemedicine, and delaying elective surgeries.

Obviously, this would be based on the outbreak's severity and breadth, but CDC called on a variety of industries, including the healthcare, education, and business sectors, to start preparing now because when the virus hits the community, it hits quite rapidly.

"The disruption to everyday life may be severe, but these are things we need to start thinking about right now," Messonnier noted.

She added that 12 state and local health departments currently have the diagnostic test for COVID-19, but the tests still come to CDC for confirmation. (JS- What the fuck!) She anticipated commercial laboratories would be coming online with their own tests, as it becomes "more and more important clinicians have a full toolkit."

"We are working as fast as we can, and we understand the frustration of our partners within the healthcare sector," Messonnier said.

While the case definition of COVID-19 is still travel-associated, Messonnier said that may change based on information in other countries and when they had new information about case definitions, they would "publicize it broadly." (JS- Maybe.)

She ended with the caveat that she's not sure if community spread of COVID-19 will be mild or severe, but told a reporter it was better to be overprepared than underprepared.

"People are concerned about the situation. I would say rightfully so," Messonnier said. "I'm concerned about the situation. CDC is concerned about the situation." (JS- Ya think? Ya think?)





On another subject, bet there's all sorts of air cargo going into and coming out of China these days. Wonder how outgoing shipments from China and incoming shipments at destinations are being checked for the virus. Any ideas? Thanks!
 
Well, I'm confident Bolsonaro will shoot the virus.

Seriously, they just finished a 14 days quarantine with people brought from Wuhan and they were fine. They're not sick despite being in the fucking middle of the outbreak city.

And a man coming back from vacations in Italy brought the pest into the country.

What does this teach us? The borders should have been closed AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, likely in January. Instead, our stupid leaders treated like it was just the flu and fucked us all and our families because they thought they could control it and rather pandered to the "better dead than racist" crowd.

I hope this disaster at least brings the end of the UN and the stupid good-for-nothing WHO.
I'm pretty sure that Bolsonaro himself couldn't have closed the border, if he could, he would have.
 
In LA huh?

Isn't that where a homeless man poured a bucket of shit on someone there? Similar incidents by people who are infected to fling their infected poo poo at someone will increase the infection rate astronomically.
You may be thinking of Frisco.

EMTs in CA are freaked about this virus. There's a recognition of the deteoriating public health standards and concern that the homeless may already be suffering from the disease without getting a proper diagnosis. A friend of mine is in several private chats with other stations throughout the state. Most of the concern is in the area between San Diego and Los Angeles. There have been a few situations where they pick up a group of really sick people living under a bridge, get them to an emergency room only for them to leave the moment they are stable. There's no way to follow up after they leave the system.

San Francisco has an emergency center set up and they've been trying to recruit nurses from other states to deal with whatever's coming. From what I've picked up, the response has been tepid, no one wants to go to SF even for a short stint. On the one hand, yeah, word gets around about the shitting on the streets. Everyone recognizes that's the worst possible policy in a pandemic and wants no part of it. On the other hand, I think a lot of people are skeptical whether they are getting the whole story about what's going on. If you think about it, why would they be overstaffing if there are no known cases?
 
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On Jan 24, 2020, we came to Wuhan, China, to support the local nurses in their fight against the COVID-19 infection. We entered the Wuhan isolation ward as the first batch of medical aid workers from Guangdong Province, China. The daily work we are doing is mainly focused on provision of oxygen, electrocardiogram (ECG) monitoring, tube care, airway management, ventilator debugging, central venous intubation, haemodialysis care, and basic nursing care such as disposal and disinfection.
The conditions and environment here in Wuhan are more difficult and extreme than we could ever have imagined. There is a severe shortage of protective equipment, such as N95 respirators, face shields, goggles, gowns, and gloves. The goggles are made of plastic that must be repeatedly cleaned and sterilised in the ward, making them difficult to see through. Due to the need for frequent hand washing, several of our colleagues' hands are covered in painful rashes. As a result of wearing an N95 respirator for extended periods of time and layers of protective equipment, some nurses now have pressure ulcers on their ears and forehead. When wearing a mask to speak with patients, our voices are muted, so we have to speak very loudly. Wearing four layers of gloves is abnormally clumsy and does not work—we can't even open the packaging bags for medical devices, so giving patients injections is a huge challenge. In order to save energy and the time it takes to put on and take off protective clothing, we avoid eating and drinking for 2 hours before entering the isolation ward. Often, nurses' mouths are covered in blisters. Some nurses have fainted due to hypoglycaemia and hypoxia.

In addition to the physical exhaustion, we are also suffering psychologically. While we are professional nurses, we are also human. Like everyone else, we feel helplessness, anxiety, and fear. Experienced nurses occasionally find the time to comfort colleagues and try to relieve our anxiety. But even experienced nurses may also cry, possibly because we do not know how long we need to stay here and we are the highest-risk group for COVID-19 infection. So far 1716 Chinese staff have been infected with COVID-19 and nine of them have unfortunately passed away. Due to an extreme shortage of health-care professionals in Wuhan, 14 000 nurses from across China have voluntarily come to Wuhan to support local medical health-care professionals. But we need much more help. We are asking nurses and medical staff from countries around the world to come to China now, to help us in this battle.

We hope the COVID-19 epidemic will end soon, and that people worldwide will remain in good health.
We declare no competing interests.

Not surprised nurses are dying, when they are this overworked and stressed. Those who survive will probably suffer PTSD from the experience. Good luck in getting many from outside China to volunteer under such conditions and in such a dishonest totalitarian system though.
 
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"Got the flu? quarantined and bored? no worries, come on and COOM!"
Tbh I'd rather be a coomer than a coofer

New Evaluation of the R0 estimated between 4.7 and 6.6 by the National Laboratory of Los Alamos

(Not surprising when you payed attention of the early days numbers of the Wuhan Outbreak and people were speculating already around 4 to 5.)


Measles got nothing on this bitch. Or maybe it's the other way around, this is just from "Observation" of numbers in other countries than China, i guess.
IIRC from way back in the thread, measles had a R0 in the teens and is therefore more virulent than kung flu.
 
Does any here have new information regarding what is happening in China? It seems that information from there has slowed down.
China is taking this opportunity to starve the Uyghur Muslims-
Residents of Xinjiang’s Ghulja City Going Hungry Under Coronavirus Quarantine
2020-02-24



Residents sit outside a mosque in Ghulja, in a file photo.

Residents sit outside a mosque in Ghulja, in a file photo.
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Residents of Ghulja (in Chinese, Yining), in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR), are going hungry under a quarantine meant to stem the spread of the coronavirus (COVID-19), according to local sources, while officials are demanding payment in advance to bring them goods.

Last week, a video went viral on social media among ethnic Uyghurs in exile that purportedly showed a man yelling in the streets of Ghulja—presumably at local officials—about how he, his wife, and his child are “starving” because they have no food.

RFA’s Uyghur Service spoke with a Uyghur woman in Ghulja, in the XUAR’s Ili Kazakh (Yili Hasake) Autonomous Prefecture, who confirmed that her family of four children and three adults living in the city’s Qaradong township has been unable to obtain enough food because of the quarantine on Monday, as the region saw its number of COVID-19 infections hold steady at 76, including two deaths.

“[The adults] are only eating one meal a day from morning to night,” she said, adding that they had done so for the “nearly 10 days” since the quaratine went into effect.

“Every morning, we just worry about the children having something to eat. My husband says we don’t need to eat, only the kids do. We’re having naan—just plain naan. We’re cooking things for the kids to eat, but we’re just eating naan.”

The woman, who spoke to RFA on condition of anonymity, fearing reprisal from local authorities, said that her household lacks sufficient stores of flour, vegetables, and oil, and that she and others hadn’t eaten meat since the quarantine began.

She said that her eight-year-old daughter “became dizzy and passed out” as a result of not having enough to eat, adding that the girl “injured her head when she fell.”

“Truthfully, there are a lot of people struggling in our neighborhood,” she said.

“There are households with four, five children who are really struggling. I’ve encouraged them to ask for help [from the authorities].”

But the woman said that authorities have been either reluctant to help those confined to their home, or only willing to assist if they are paid for goods in advance.

“A woman in our neighborhood asked the cadres if they could bring her some coal [to heat her house],” she said.

“They apparently told her, ‘There’s no policy for that, but we’ll bring you some as soon as that policy’s in place.’”

In another incident, she said, authorities had brought a sack of flour to the family of a deaf and mute man, but refused to bring another when the first one ran out, suggesting that he had been hoarding goods.

Fears of exploitation

When asked whether the woman had reported her family’s situation to neighborhood officials, she said that she had not, because she feared being exploited for money.

“They say they’ll bring us things if we give them money, but they might just steal the money and not bring us anything,” she said.

Instead, neighbors “open their shops in the middle of the night” to skirt restrictions on movement and provide goods to those affected by the quarantine, she said.

A second source, who also declined to be named, confirmed to RFA that residents of Qaradong had been unable to obtain enough food since authorities placed the area under quarantine.

RFA spoke with Weli, the party secretary of Qaradong’s Huaguoshan residential district, who confirmed that “there are people who are complaining about a lack of food,” but suggested that they were blowing things out of proportion.

“Some of them are people worrying too much—if the food doesn't arrive on time, then they exaggerate the situation,” he said.

“Some of them are ill-intentioned people. They don’t like peace and are ready to cause trouble at any time. Some opportunistically create problems. We're taking measures against them.”

Weli did not provide details of how authorities were dealing with the people he referred to.

Authorities tight-lipped

Reports of the food shortage in Ghulja came a week after local officials said that at least one member of a Uyghur family of four in Ghulja county—which has been entirely sealed off—had contracted COVID-19, in what would be the first confirmed case of the virus among the ethnic minority.

While it is possible that other Uyghurs may be infected with the virus and that the confirmed case may not be the first, Chinese state media does not include the ethnicity of those infected in reports.

Authorities have remained tight-lipped about the epidemic in the XUAR, where as many as 1.8 million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities accused of harboring “strong religious views” and “politically incorrect” ideas are believed to have been detained in a vast network of internment camps since April 2017.

Reporting by RFA and other media outlets indicate that those in the camps are detained against their will and subjected to political indoctrination, routinely face rough treatment at the hands of their overseers, and endure poor diets and unhygienic conditions in the often overcrowded facilities that experts warned recently could lead to an epidemic.

A lack of transparency on the part of officials has been blamed for allowing the coronavirus to gain a solid foothold in Wuhan, leading authorities to shut down the city in January.

Reported by Shohret Hoshur for RFA’s Uyghur Service. Translated by Elise Anderson and Alim Seytoff. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.


And China says their quarantine is working perfectly so stop being racist and allow flights to resume-
US Official Shuts Down Chinese Reporter For Claiming China ‘Contained’ Coronavirus

ANDERS HAGSTROMWHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
February 25, 20205:40 PM ET
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Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar shut down a reporter for a Chinese news outlet Tuesday who claimed China had “contained” the coronavirus within its borders.
Azar made the comment during a Q&A session at a press conference detailing the U.S. response to potential outbreaks. Olivia Zang, a reporter for Chinese outlet Caixin asked whether the U.S. would lessen its travel restrictions due to the supposed “containment,” and instead put travel restrictions on Italy and South Korea due to their outbreaks. She also went on to suggest that calling the disease the “China Coronavirus” was xenophobic. (RELATED: Iran’s Deputy Health Minister Infected With Coronavirus As Country Becomes Epicenter Of Outbreak)

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WUHAN, CHINA – JANUARY 22: People wear face masks as they wait at Hankou Railway Station on January 22, 2020 in Wuhan, China. (Photo by Getty Images)
“We intend to keep our travel restrictions regarding China in place,” Azar said. “The virus is still spreading in China. There are still hundreds of case reports per day, if that’s capturing all the information. We’re still seeing dozens of more fatalities reported per day…There is nothing at this point that would indicate a change in our posture toward our aggressive containment measures.”
Azar ignored the suggestion of placing travel restrictions on Italy and South Korea. He did address the reporter’s second question, saying it was important to that Americans understand that the disease has nothing to do with ethnicity, but clarified that none of the restrictions the U.S. has put in place are based on ethnicity. (RELATED: Coronavirus Deaths Surpass 800, Killing More Than SARS)
Azar warned that while the disease is currently contained here, outbreaks in other countries could still transfer to the U.S. He said Americans may face changes to their day-to-day life, such as when the government cancelled school briefly in 2009 for the Swine Flu epidemic.
The press briefing came hours after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advised Americans to prepare for potential outbreaks in their communities.
 
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