Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

Had a couple thoughts this morning while walking. Please correct me if I am wrong on these.

Started this thread on 20 January. Today is 26 February. Been just recently, within the last week or so, that we've started to see cases in countries other than China. But the number of cases so far in these countries ranges from the single-digits to the low three-digits. So far less than 50 cases in the USA, and 40 came from the quarantined ship. The USA is geographically the same size as China, and there are about 335 million of us.

Am pretty sure there were Chinese with this virus running all over the world before all these cases started cropping up. Remember early on seeing one Chinese woman in Paris celebrating because she took meds to mask her fever. But am not aware of any cases resulting from any contact that woman had with anyone in France. Logically, least to me, there should be many more cases outside China than have been reported.

Have lived only in the USA and Korea. Here in the USA, the population density overall is much less than Korea or the more settled parts of China. In Korea, least when I was there many years ago, the only place you had US-style suburbs of single-family houses and duplexes, somewhat spread out, was on the big US Army base in Yongsan (Seoul). Most Koreans lived in compounds, where one or more residences were built around a central courtyard. Get to Seoul, started seeing groups of high-rise apartments, lots of them, and lots more being built. You see the same thing in China now. Chinese cities, and there are far more of them than anywhere but India, feature tons of high-rise apartment buildings, plus many smaller apartments cheek by jowl, and still Korean-style compounds. Seal these places up, just like on the cruise ship, and there's a great environment for catching and passing respiratory diseases. True, we have US cities, like SF and NYC, that are densely populated. But we have a lot of cities that are all spread out - LA, Houston, San Antonio, and many other cities, large and small.

My points - population density has a lot to do with catching this virus. And what I am seeing indicates this was indeed an engineered virus primarily aimed at Chinese. Mutations will occur that can affect others, but doesn't seem to be as virulent as what is present in China. In the USA, look for cases in some of the more densely populated areas, but having a lot of spread-out areas is going to be a big help. Europe is much more densely populated than the USA, but still not that many cases. Logically, there should be many more, a month-plus into this.

I don't know everything, but that's the conclusions based on what I've been seeing and what I know.

Trump dropped Wuhan disease .


Change my mind.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Had a couple thoughts this morning while walking. Please correct me if I am wrong on these.

Started this thread on 20 January. Today is 26 February. Been just recently, within the last week or so, that we've started to see cases in countries other than China. But the number of cases so far in these countries ranges from the single-digits to the low three-digits. So far less than 50 cases in the USA, and 40 came from the quarantined ship. The USA is geographically the same size as China, and there are about 335 million of us.

Am pretty sure there were Chinese with this virus running all over the world before all these cases started cropping up. Remember early on seeing one Chinese woman in Paris celebrating because she took meds to mask her fever. But am not aware of any cases resulting from any contact that woman had with anyone in France. Logically, least to me, there should be many more cases outside China than have been reported.

Have lived only in the USA and Korea. Here in the USA, the population density overall is much less than Korea or the more settled parts of China. In Korea, least when I was there many years ago, the only place you had US-style suburbs of single-family houses and duplexes, somewhat spread out, was on the big US Army base in Yongsan (Seoul). Most Koreans lived in compounds, where one or more residences were built around a central courtyard. Get to Seoul, started seeing groups of high-rise apartments, lots of them, and lots more being built. You see the same thing in China now. Chinese cities, and there are far more of them than anywhere but India, feature tons of high-rise apartment buildings, plus many smaller apartments cheek by jowl, and still Korean-style compounds. Seal these places up, just like on the cruise ship, and there's a great environment for catching and passing respiratory diseases. True, we have US cities, like SF and NYC, that are densely populated. But we have a lot of cities that are all spread out - LA, Houston, San Antonio, and many other cities, large and small.

My points - population density has a lot to do with catching this virus. And what I am seeing indicates this was indeed an engineered virus primarily aimed at Chinese. Mutations will occur that can affect others, but doesn't seem to be as virulent as what is present in China. In the USA, look for cases in some of the more densely populated areas, but having a lot of spread-out areas is going to be a big help. Europe is much more densely populated than the USA, but still not that many cases. Logically, there should be many more, a month-plus into this.

I don't know everything, but that's the conclusions based on what I've been seeing and what I know.

I don't think it was engineered specifically to kill Chinese. I do however agree on the difference with population density. Outside of New York, Chicago, and LA public transit isn't as popular. God knows where I'm from you generally only see one or two people on a bus at rush hour. Compare that to China/Japan/New York's subway system. They spend more time in an enclosed environment with dozens of others everyday.

And a suburban separated house will not be as much of a vector as a giant skyscraper with people packed in, and who knows how the ventilation is set up. Honestly I wonder about a lot of the walk ups in New York, I've heard some buildings still have wiring that was initially set up by Edison. As in Thomas, not Con. Now imagine that with ventilation.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

Thanks, I was wondering whenthere would be another cult fuck about. I just wrote about the Heavan's Gate cult, it's been a while since doom cults like Aum Shinriko decidedto inflict their "wonderful" prescense on the world.


To be fair, Iran is a fucking shithole and their healthcare blows.

Aum Shinrikyo used sarin on public transit for their death cult shit while Heaven's Gate believed that the comet Hale Bopp was a starship that would ferry their souls to paradise and they killed themselves to get on board. Nobody outside of Heaven's Gate died from their actions when Hale Bopp appeared in the sky. Aum Shinrikyo did kill randos with fucking nerve gas of all things.

I think the Shinji Cult, as Metokur call it, is somewhere close to Aum Shinrikyo and the People's Temple (aka cyanide Kool-Aid commune, death count only surpassed by 9/11 for mass civilian casualties) in terms of sheer delusion and ability to carry out their plan if the disease spreading death cult hypothesis is true.

What they are not is the retardation of salmonella poisoning that the cultists of Rajneeshpuram did. Ironic that an Indian cult weaponized a bacteria that causes the mega-shits.

 

[Logical Fallacies]

Well you guys are fucked.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...outbreak-us-symptoms-cdc-update-a9359521.html

So the sick couple in North-Rhine Westphalia in Germany took part in carnival celebrations and traveled to the Netherlands. They will never be able to track down all the people they have been in contact with and they still don't know where the couple got infected. That probably means quite a few people are running around with that shit in them by now and nobody has an idea who, where and how it happened. Nice.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Heaven’s Gate wasn’t trying to hurt anyone. The implication is that this “death cult” may be purposefully spreading the virus. Very different types of groups.

Oh yeah totally, didnt makethat clear but was trying to say I've had cults on my mind this week, with aum shinriyko being the actual death cult. Sorry bout that

 

[Return of the Freaker]

This thread is literally Doomer: The Thread

Kind of. Jim's streams are where the real doomers be at

 

[Gallofag]

Kind of. Jim's streams are where the real doomers be at

It's a doomer for the boomers that will be sure.

 

[codeswhitchsperer]

!!!!!!!1GUYS THIS MIGHT WORK!!!!!

Re: PrEP- "Truvada works by blocking an enzyme called HIV reverse transcriptase. By blocking this enzyme, it prevents HIV from making more copies of itself in the body. "

Re: COVID-19 - The standard technique to confirm COVID-19 is nucleic acid testing with reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR).

I'm no medfag but .. Wasn't there comparisons to COVID-19 and HIV?

 

[Shield Breaker]

Had a couple thoughts this morning while walking. Please correct me if I am wrong on these.

Started this thread on 20 January. Today is 26 February. Been just recently, within the last week or so, that we've started to see cases in countries other than China. But the number of cases so far in these countries ranges from the single-digits to the low three-digits. So far less than 50 cases in the USA, and 40 came from the quarantined ship. The USA is geographically the same size as China, and there are about 335 million of us.

Am pretty sure there were Chinese with this virus running all over the world before all these cases started cropping up. Remember early on seeing one Chinese woman in Paris celebrating because she took meds to mask her fever. But am not aware of any cases resulting from any contact that woman had with anyone in France. Logically, least to me, there should be many more cases outside China than have been reported.

Have lived only in the USA and Korea. Here in the USA, the population density overall is much less than Korea or the more settled parts of China. In Korea, least when I was there many years ago, the only place you had US-style suburbs of single-family houses and duplexes, somewhat spread out, was on the big US Army base in Yongsan (Seoul). Most Koreans lived in compounds, where one or more residences were built around a central courtyard. Get to Seoul, started seeing groups of high-rise apartments, lots of them, and lots more being built. You see the same thing in China now. Chinese cities, and there are far more of them than anywhere but India, feature tons of high-rise apartment buildings, plus many smaller apartments cheek by jowl, and still Korean-style compounds. Seal these places up, just like on the cruise ship, and there's a great environment for catching and passing respiratory diseases. True, we have US cities, like SF and NYC, that are densely populated. But we have a lot of cities that are all spread out - LA, Houston, San Antonio, and many other cities, large and small.

My points - population density has a lot to do with catching this virus. And what I am seeing indicates this was indeed an engineered virus primarily aimed at Chinese. Mutations will occur that can affect others, but doesn't seem to be as virulent as what is present in China. In the USA, look for cases in some of the more densely populated areas, but having a lot of spread-out areas is going to be a big help. Europe is much more densely populated than the USA, but still not that many cases. Logically, there should be many more, a month-plus into this.

I don't know everything, but that's the conclusions based on what I've been seeing and what I know.

It’s not engineered. It was already debunked earlier in this thread, but fuck if I'm going to dig for it. It had to do with mutations.

 

[Mike Hunt]

It's probably an easy thing to say, but that is scarily young... I hope it's because Iran is just a shit third world country with no proper health care... Damn...

It seems like medical personnel are on the younger side when dying but that's probably because they're interacting with the very sick, the ones who need hospital care, on a constant basis.

If you add them being understaffed, upping their stress level and lack of sleep and lacking proper facilities because their system just isn't up to par then you've got a setup for unfortunate deaths. That's without accounting for a mild health issue or being a smoker.

What @remiem said. Small PL, I lost a second cousin to pneumonia at 27 some years back. No prior medical conditions, just that his perma-night shift, stressful work at a call center (where your value/promotion/continued employment is measured by metrics) severely weakened his immune system. Well, maybe he smoked, too, to manage the stress, but if he did, he hid it from us. I imagine the front liners in disease management (i.e. doctors and nurses) have it even worse, not only being exposed to patients on the daily, they're also subject to long, stressful hours whenever an epidemic runs roughshod through a society. This is compounded even more if medical care ranks lower on a government's list of budgetary concerns. This 2018 article says that Iran needs 100k more nurses to have an acceptable nurse-to-bed ratio. We're seeing the same issues arise in China. Could be an issue in new hotspots popping up elsewhere and the system gets overwhelmed.

Eddit: Black Russians

Sorry, just wanna ask what this means. I see it on posts you edit and it's got me curious. Not a big deal in any case, LOL.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

!!!!!!!1GUYS THIS MIGHT WORK!!!!!

Re: PrEP- "Truvada works by blocking an enzyme called HIV reverse transcriptase. By blocking this enzyme, it prevents HIV from making more copies of itself in the body. "

Re: COVID-19 - The standard technique to confirm COVID-19 is nucleic acid testing with reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR).

I'm no medfag but .. Wasn't there comparisons to COVID-19 and HIV?

Tfw when corona-chan just wanted you to get comfortable putting stuff in your ass. Corona-chan says trans rights.

 

[RodgerDodger]

You may be thinking of Frisco.

EMTs in CA are freaked about this virus. There's a recognition of the deteoriating public health standards and concern that the homeless may already be suffering from the disease without getting a proper diagnosis. A friend of mine is in several private chats with other stations throughout the state. Most of the concern is in the area between San Diego and Los Angeles. There have been a few situations where they pick up a group of really sick people living under a bridge, get them to an emergency room only for them to leave the moment they are stable. There's no way to follow up after they leave the system.

San Francisco has an emergency center set up and they've been trying to recruit nurses from other states to deal with whatever's coming. From what I've picked up, the response has been tepid, no one wants to go to SF even for a short stint. On the one hand, yeah, word gets around about the shitting on the streets. Everyone recognizes that's the worst possible policy in a pandemic and wants no part of it. On the other hand, I think a lot of people are skeptical whether they are getting the whole story about what's going on. If you think about it, why would they be overstaffing if there are no known cases?

EMT’s in NYC were already openly at war with the idiot Mayor regarding the rapidly increasing violence they face, and the lack of protection being provided. Corona-Chan will push them over the edge.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Wow wtf happened to this thread like a week or two ago it was mostly people posting relevant info and news clippings. Now there are a bunch of people posting dumb shit like how they are gonna be some badass survivalist with 20 guns and ammunition crates while they type away on Kiwi Farms. It's ok to go a bit autistic with it but don't go full R-etard.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Again sorry for lack of sources translations and shit but this one's coming straight from the hospital personnel and also you know I'm still celebrating because fuck corona-chan (in more ways than one *wink*) if she thinks she's gonna ruin carnaval.

After checking the maybes the spanish cases have grown to 10. Most of them italians, germans and brits because of fucking course they're all imported. The one case getting people scared is the one from Seville because he hasn't been outside of spain recently nor been in contact with any confirmed infectees so we got an asymptomatic carrier running around. he's a 62 year old man, ethnicity hasn't been made public even to hospital workers which has the rumor mill going around saying he's probably not spanish but I don't know for sure and reports are conflicting (that's the issue with a bunch of "viejas del visillo" being our best god damned public info network) Also one doctor in malaga (no personal info made public, including ethnicity, which of course got people saying he's chinese, which wouldn't be out of the question since they've already ransaked what they could legally, but honestly I'm fairly sure spaniards can get quite happy about stealing public shit too so I wouldn't trust that info unless confirmed by some kinda worthy source) got caught trying to steal 14 boxes of P100 masks from the public hospital (around 300 masks), he was immediately detained by his fellow hospital personnel and an expedient was opened.

Fun fact! Our public system is run like crap and tons of shit get through the cracks because our political caste has been quite happy about deliberately sabottaging any anti-corruption methods for obvious reasons. But much like with every other system out there. They keep a damned good inventory. They caught the bastard before he even left the hospital the cheeky cunts! No wonder archeologists give so much more credence to inventories by ancient cultures (specially romans) than any other document of the time. Fucking hell if they got this good about catching other kinds of fraud we might not be so angry all the time.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Wow wtf happened to this thread like a week or two ago it was mostly people posting relevant info and news clippings. Now there are a bunch of people posting dumb shit like how they are gonna be some badass survivalist with 20 guns and ammunition crates while they type away on Kiwi Farms. It's ok to go a bit autistic with it but don't go full R-etard.

The best is the dude posting about syphoning gas out of abandoned cars and gargling with bleach.

 

[HonsPonzud]

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[No_one]

Germany is fucked. And the rest of EU is too.

Germany facing coronavirus ‘epidemic,’ govt can no longer track infection chains – health minister
German Health Minister Jens Spahn has said that his country is facing a “coronavirus epidemic.” Since breaking out in northern Italy, the deadly COVID-19 virus has spread to more than a dozen European countries.
“We are at the beginning of a coronavirus epidemic in Germany,” the minister told reporters in Berlin on Wednesday. Spahn added that infection chains can no longer be tracked in Germany, and called on hospitals and employers to review their pandemic planning.
A new instance of the deadly infection confirmed in the state of Nordrhein-Westfalen on Tuesday brought to 18 the number of cases recorded in Germany.
Spahn claimed earlier that “detection and containment” efforts in Europe were working to hold back the spread of the virus, but an explosion of cases in northern Italy and at least 13 other European countries have forced him to reevaluate the situation. At his last press conference on Tuesday, Spahn admitted “it could get worse before it gets better.”

Tracking the ‘infection chains’ - noting the previous travel and social encounters of the infected - is vital to understanding the spread of the illness. Thus far, the majority of patients in Germany were found to have recently traveled from Italy or China, or had contact with travelers.

“The infection chains are partially no longer trackable, and that is a new thing,” Spahn said on Tuesday. “Large numbers of people have had contact with the patients, and that is a big change to the 16 patients we had until now where the chain could be traced back to the origin in China.”

Despite growing panic across the continent, EU health ministers agreed on Tuesday to keep international borders open for the time being. “Closing borders would be a disproportionate and ineffective measure at this time,” Italian Health Minister Roberto Speranza told reporters after a meeting in Rome.

Originating in Wuhan, China, in November, the novel coronavirus has since spread to around 40 countries worldwide. Over 80,000 people have become infected, and more than 2,700 have died, the majority of them in China.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

Are you talking about the lie that the director was fired and funding was cut?
Because if you are the director resigned back when John Bolton joined the admin like a year ago and they have the same funding, Congress never got around to cutting it.

What lie? I know he hasn’t cut funding yet for the CDC but Trump proposed funding cuts to the CDC as recently as Feb 11...in the middle of a rising global disease. In 2018, there were cuts to fighting global diseases and national health spending as well as cuts to the complex crisis fund. ($15 billion from the CDC, NSC DHS, HHS).

He 100% fired the entire pandemic response chain of command including the White House management infrastructure. That is not a lie and he’s screwed the US.

 

[Logical Fallacies]

Oh hi, Germany has three new cases in Baden-Wuerttemberg.
The girlfriend of the man from Baden-Wuerttemberg who has also been to Italy, her father and another woman who has also been to Italy. That's 22 cases. That is what you get for not imposing travel restrictions. The politicians are fucking crazy.

Coronavirus in Deutschland: Spahn spricht von Epidemie

Mindestens fünf Personen sind in NRW mit dem Virus infiziert, ob sich auch Kindergartenkinder angesteckt haben, sollen Testergebnisse am Donnerstag zeigen. Auch in Baden-Württemberg gibt es neue Fälle. Gesundheitsminister Spahn spricht von "einer Corona-Epidemie in Deutschland".

www.sueddeutsche.de

 

[codeswhitchsperer]

reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction means the test detects what PrEP goes after if I am reading this right?