[16-Jan-2020] DarksydePhil is filing for bankruptcy (general thread) - and has officially done so on January 31 2020, meaning a lot of his finances have become public

What will happen with his case following the 341 meeting?

  • Still gets Chapter 7

    Votes: 126 18.1%
  • Changed to Chapter 13 and ultimately fails to make his required payments

    Votes: 218 31.3%
  • Chapter 13 and successfully completed all payments

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Complete dismissal of the bankruptcy

    Votes: 334 47.9%

  • Total voters
    697
Status
Not open for further replies.
But he won't get Chapter 7. He must know this, otherwise he wouldn't be so confident. Or he's just a complete idiot and believes his own bullshit.

But if he gets changed over to 13, he has to make payments every month for however many years, and if he fucks up...he'll still lose the house. And like 70% of people doing Chapter 13 fuck up. And they probably don't have a crippling gacha addiction.
 
There are only two ways he keeps that condo: get away with massive lying on a Chapter 7 filing OR get caught lying and be offered the option to convert to Chapter 13 and comply for five years.

I don't see either happening tbh.
The most fun thing to watch would be chapter 13. Just imagine how many bad things can happen (health issues, divorce, getting banned from twitch, IRS etc) whilst he's trying to comply to the payment plan.

But I think that if his lawyer could convince him to sell the condo to go through with chapter 7, that would also be awesome. Just the thought of Phil pretending to be unfazed after losing his gout mansion is already great.
 
There are only two ways he keeps that condo: get away with massive lying on a Chapter 7 filing OR get caught lying and be offered the option to convert to Chapter 13 and comply for five years.

I don't see either happening tbh.

I'm thinking he does get converted to Chapter 13 though and we get the amusement value of him chimping the fuck out the instant anything happens that makes him unable to keep paying on it. Imagine some time in the next five years he has one of his patented meltdowns where he gets banned from some platform.
 
There are only two ways he keeps that condo: get away with massive lying on a Chapter 7 filing OR get caught lying and be offered the option to convert to Chapter 13 and comply for five years.

I don't see either happening tbh.
I'm thinking he does get converted to Chapter 13 though and we get the amusement value of him chimping the fuck out the instant anything happens that makes him unable to keep paying on it. Imagine some time in the next five years he has one of his patented meltdowns where he gets banned from some platform.

Man, I hope you two are right. Still way too gun-shy to think it's going to happen.
 
The most fun thing to watch would be chapter 13. Just imagine how many bad things can happen (health issues, divorce, getting banned from twitch, IRS etc) whilst he's trying to comply to the payment plan.

Begathon every single month with only one possible excuse: paying the monthly Ch. 13 bankruptcy bill. Unless he invents new emergencies every month and I don't think even he could pull that off.
 
Chapter 13 would be the most amusing scenario. Phil would have to live with strict financial limits and responsibilities like he's never come close to doing, he'll be stressed constantly knowing he MUST fulfill his repayments, Katherine will likely split and he'll become a drunken mess again like he did after Leanna, and even if Phil actually does nothing wrong for once in his life, there's still a near certainly he'll fail and lose the WAkhando. A brief ban on Twitch, any health problems, drops in viewership or paypigs... any of that, the WAkhando is gone.
 
Would he even get converted to Chapter 13? If I was a trustee and once it was explained to me what a “content creator” actually is, I would assess it as a much too volatile and uncertain profession to expect someone to pay off their debt over a period of 5 years or longer.

I feel that his filing is going to be entirely tossed out and he’s going to have to figure out how to manage his finances like a normal person.

At the end of the day, if his gacha game addiction is true, he could be paying all of his debts perfectly. He might be living paycheck-to-paycheck but he can still meet his obligations.
 
Chapter 13 would be the most amusing scenario. Phil would have to live with strict financial limits and responsibilities like he's never come close to doing, he'll be stressed constantly knowing he MUST fulfill his repayments, Katherine will likely split and he'll become a drunken mess again like he did after Leanna, and even if Phil actually does nothing wrong for once in his life, there's still a near certainly he'll fail and lose the WAkhando. A brief ban on Twitch, any health problems, drops in viewership or paypigs... any of that, the WAkhando is gone.

As I understand it the trustee won't be appointed until after the Ch. 7 is granted and it's the trustee who decides if the house gets sold following a fair valuation (i.e. not a Zestimate). DSP will have no say in the matter and if he tries to withdraw the bankruptcy at that point he has to convince the court that he has a valid reason. "My house is worth way more than I put down in the original filing" is probably not a valid reason.

As I said in my first post here, unless there's a line around the block of bankruptcy filers such that they can only spend 90 secs apiece per case then that house will be sold. Any scrutiny of his assets and he's screwed. There's a better chance he withdraws the application before it's granted. They'll probably make him refile it altogether - which he doesn't have the money for.
 
Would he even get converted to Chapter 13? If I was a trustee and once it was explained to me what a “content creator” actually is, I would assess it as a much too volatile and uncertain profession to expect someone to pay off their debt over a period of 5 years or longer.

I feel that his filing is going to be entirely tossed out and he’s going to have to figure out how to manage his finances like a normal person.

At the end of the day, if his gacha game addiction is true, he could be paying all of his debts perfectly. He might be living paycheck-to-paycheck but he can still meet his obligations.

A Chapter 13 (or 11) plan has to be approved by the court, and the court will only do that if it's plausible. The burden of proof is on the debtor to establish that the plan is plausible and complies with the relevant requirements. Since Phil is too dumb to do this himself, he'll need to pay a lawyer more than nothing for that.

As I understand it the trustee won't be appointed until after the Ch. 7 is granted and it's the trustee who decides if the house gets sold following a fair valuation (i.e. not a Zestimate).

The trustee is Nancy L. James.
 
A Chapter 13 (or 11) plan has to be approved by the court, and the court will only do that if it's plausible. The burden of proof is on the debtor to establish that the plan is plausible and complies with the relevant requirements. Since Phil is too dumb to do this himself, he'll need to pay a lawyer more than nothing for that.

If there was any justice in the world the moment the judge gives DSP the bad news his lawyer would turn to him, throw up his hands and say "Nothing I could do dood... Did everything correct!"
 
The trustee is Nancy L. James.

But the trustee is the one who determines the fair valuation of the house and whether it will be sold. The bankruptcy application has to be granted first. Once that happens the trustee has sole authority and I can't imagine her relying on a Zestimate. Unless, again, she's overwhelmed with other cases.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Sir Wesley Tailpipe
If there was any justice in the world the moment the judge gives DSP the bad news his lawyer would turn to him, throw up his hands and say "Nothing I could do dood... Did everything correct!"

She will, actually. He paid for the filing, if they contest ANYTHING then he has no protection unless he pays more money.
 
It might actually be worse for him if he doesn't get converted to 13, though. In that case, he loses his house because he has more equity in it than the exemption.

It looks worse from his perspective, but I think its overall a better outcome. Yes he loses the house, and he'll whine, bitch, and throw a fit about it, but he gets $125,000 out of the sale. Plus all his other debts are wiped out, and he can play as much gacha as he wants once he qualifies for credit cards again, which is much sooner than with 13.

A Chapter 13 (or 11) plan has to be approved by the court, and the court will only do that if it's plausible. The burden of proof is on the debtor to establish that the plan is plausible and complies with the relevant requirements. Since Phil is too dumb to do this himself, he'll need to pay a lawyer more than nothing for that.

That's true. I'm not sure how this will play out. My money is on the outcome of the 341 meeting will be they ask Phil questions about his filing, "fix" all the errors, and quickly figure out he doesn't qualify for Chapter 7. The trustee will motion a judge to convert to Chapter 13. Phil may be given the option to back out at this point... It probably doesn't matter though because he won't do this. He loses the house if he doesn't get Chapter 13.

But here's the thing.

By fudging numbers and making his income appear so low, he kind of screwed himself out of Chapter 13. The whole point of Chapter 13 is to pay back some debt and avoid liquidation, and you can only do that if you have enough income to pay at least as much as the creditors would have received in liquidation.

If its determined that his income is higher than Chapter 7 allows, he'll need to prove his income is high enough to also qualify for Chapter 13. This would expose him as a liar. Everything he put on his initial filing is counter to him qualifying for Chapter 13. That's why he did it in the first place. This is why, I believe, very few Chapter 7's are converted to Chapter 13. The only time that ever happens is when you fuck up your filing.

I can't see a judge being too happy about someone trying to pull this off. He'd basically have to file for Chapter 13, and show he has a shit ton more income all of the sudden so he can afford a payment plan. This may be enough for a judge to believe it was done intentionally and that would be cause for dismissal.

The outcomes look like this:
  1. Phil gets Chapter 7 and loses the house because it exceeds the homestead exemption
  2. Phil doesn't get Chapter 7, and the case is dismissed due to abuse
  3. Phil doesn't get Chapter 7, and the filing is converted to a Chapter 13. It is later dismissed due to abuse or inability to provide a workable payment plan.
  4. Phil doesn't get Chapter 7 but somehow manages Chapter 13
Only in outcome #4 does Phil keep the house. If his case is dismissed, he'll be sued by his creditors and forced to sell eventually.
 
A question popped into my head that I'm not sure has been addressed. @SoapQueen1 @AnOminous If he gets put in Chapter 13, does the trustee get to see all the comings and goings of his Paypal account and lock it down so he can't touch his paypig money without authorization from said trustee?
 
It looks worse from his perspective, but I think its overall a better outcome.

Well only because it's a total loss for DSP and he then goes and commits suicide. It's the absolute worst loss from his perspective and means he's a total failure at life. He'd never recover.

A question popped into my head that I'm not sure has been addressed. @SoapQueen1 @AnOminous If he gets put in Chapter 13, does the trustee get to see all the comings and goings of his Paypal account and lock it down so he can't touch his paypig money without authorization from said trustee?

The trustee gets whatever she wants.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back