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Interesting videos, but I will point out a couple of things. One is the fact that garbage has been piling up in Wuhan streets for weeks. Of course that will bring the crows out.

The other is a phenomenon you can witness for yourself in King county. Certain species of crows literally commute daily, flying into the city in masses of thousands of birds at dawn and flying back to their nesting area at dusk. You can see this by driving up to north Lake Washington around sunset sitting in the Safeway parking lot and watching the skies as thousands of crows head back up to somewhere around Woodinville, in a long dense river of birds that takes at least a half hour to pass.

I don't know for certain if either of those scenarios is true in those vids, but the behavior of the birds is likely unexceptional.

I wish you good luck. Please calm down, if this is a dire emergency you're going to need that energy calm and focused for the sake of your loved ones and others around you.
Can vouch for that crow thing, had 100’s arrive on a single afternoon once, gave them peanuts and a particularly friendly one a cuddle and then they went on their merry way after a nice little visit.

Never understood how crows and ravens became a mascot for the end times *sigh*, both are wonderfully friendly and intelligent animals, assuming you treat them with the respect and kindness they deserve. :)
 
A school in China is refusing to allow students to attend unless they take a concoction of Traditional Chinese Medicines.
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Parents are required to submit a photo of the child taking it as well as receipts of the medicines, which the school pays for, every day.
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Okay, I just did an updated version of my summary on SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 that contains all the information I’ve gathered and all the analysis work I’ve done over the last month. This is where I’m at right now.

I'm going to attempt to summarize my updated findings in a concise manner, to try and narrow down what happens to COVID-19 victims. Headings dividing each section are in bold type. I'm also going to cite my sources:

The disease has an R0, the reproduction value, of around 6.6, which means 1 person infects that many other people, on average. There are also super-spreader incidents where one person can infect dozens of others. The R0 has been variously calculated as being somewhere between 3 and 7, and one Belgian scientist says between 4.7 to 7:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

https://www.rtbf.be/info/opinions/d...us-il-faut-savoir-ecouter-la-peur?id=10443799

The median incubation period is around 5 days, but outliers of 24+ days have been seen:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30026-1/fulltext

SARS-CoV-2 is strongly suspected to be airborne:

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/worl...sks/ar-BB10ljdt?ocid=ems.msn.dl.RosetteNebula

SARS-CoV is known to have spread by the oral-fecal route and through airborne sewage particulate matter, and SARS-CoV-2 is likely no different in that regard. SARS contaminates sewers and makes them hazardous:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5302810/

The virus attacks ACE2 receptors in cells. ACE2 stands for Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2, and it's part of the angiotensin-renin system that regulates vasoconstriction and vasodilation. This system is essential for your body to maintain the correct blood pressure. ACE2 receptors are found in many vital organs and reproductive tissues in the human body. Lungs, heart, kidneys, brain, and also in the testis in males:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin–angiotensin_system

https://www.dicardiology.com/article/cardiac-implications-novel-coronavirus

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

The primary pathology of note in COVID-19 is bilateral pneumonia with ground-glass lesions visible in CT scans:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30086-4/fulltext

SARS-CoV (a relative of SARS-CoV-2) has been shown to cause neural death (surprisingly without encephalitis) in transgenic mouse models:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493326/

SARS-CoV was also found in the brains of infected patients in previous outbreaks:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

Recent information seems to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 can cause neurological symptoms and cerebrovascular disease:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.22.20026500v1

SARS-CoV-2 can also possibly cause massive co-infections of prevotella, a normally harmless gut bacteria, potentially even displaying bacteriophage-like synergistic behavior with prevotella:

https://osf.io/ktngw/

https://www.researchgate.net/public...nt_in_huge_amounts_in_patients_from_both_Chin

The action of SARS-Coronaviruses (which attack ACE2 pathways) can dysregulate the angiotensin system and cause cardiopulmonary damage and inflammation directly through this route:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/fvl.10.4

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32061198

SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 can both cause cytokine storms, where inflammatory agents released by the body's own immune system begin to over-accumulate and damage tissues that they were sent to protect:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)30183-5

SARS-CoV-2 can cause myocarditis leading to myoglobin accumulation in the blood and renal failure. It can also directly attack several vital organs of the body:

https://www.acc.org/~/media/665AFA1E710B4B3293138D14BE8D1213.pdf

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...contracting-the-coronavirus#Liver-and-kidneys

SARS-CoV has been shown to be capable of Dengue-like antibody-dependent enhancement, tricking the immune system into aiding the virus. It is unknown whether or not SARS-CoV-2 can do the same. Also, some of these studies use in vitro models that have not been verified in vivo, and should perhaps be viewed with skepticism:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3019510/

https://www.msi.umn.edu/~lifang/flpapers/fang_li_mers_ade_jvi_2019.pdf

SARS-CoV has been known to cause vasculitis of the organs by attacking blood vessels directly. It is unknown whether or not this also applies to SARS-CoV-2:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660

SARS-CoV-2 has a furin cleavage site on the spike glycoprotein that may greatly enhance cell-to-cell fusion and infectiousness:


http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398

http://www.virology.ws/2020/02/13/furin-cleavage-site-in-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-glycoprotein/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...e-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say

There is some hope! Various drugs and therapies are being investigated.

Remdesivir and Chloroquine show promise in inhibiting viral replication:

https://www.gilead.com/purpose/advancing-global-health/covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550

CytoSorb, an extracorporeal filtration therapy, may help with cytokine release syndrome (a.k.a the dreaded cytokine storm):

https://cytosorbents.com/cytosorb-the-wuhan-coronavirus-and-cytokine-storm/

http://cytosorbents.mediaroom.com/2...-Patients-with-COVID-19-Coronavirus-Infection

Angiotensin blockers (ARBs) can potentially keep SARS-CoV-2 and similar coronaviruses away from ACE2 receptors, but they may have unwanted side effects:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11427-015-4814-7.pdf

Quick Summary:
  • Extremely contagious.
  • Long incubation period with asymptomatic transmission.
  • Very high likelihood of airborne aerosol transmission as well as oral-fecal transmission.
  • Causes severe bilateral viral pneumonia with ground-glass opacities in the lungs visible on CT.
  • Can potentially cause myocarditis and subsequent rhabdomyolysis that shuts down the kidneys due to myoglobin entering the blood from the damaged heart.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels, especially inside certain vital organs.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels and/or neurons in the brain (which may be the cause for the mysterious sudden drop fatalities with people suffering apparent brain death and seizures, as seen in leaked social media footage).
  • As if that wasn’t bad enough, it could even infect your own gut bacteria and form a symbiotic relationship with it, possibly becoming a persistent environmental contaminant when you defecate symbiotic colonies of prevotella and SARS-CoV-2 (bacteriophage-like behavior).
This information will require further verification from experts in virology and epidemiology, but I've tried to do a meta-analysis as best I can.

This thing is so much scarier than the flu, it's unbelievable.

COVID-19 is a deceptive and sinister disease that presents as severe pneumonia while, in actuality, running covert operations on most of your vital organs. Then, you shit it out and your sewage contaminates sewers, groundwater, and bodies of water, infecting other people.
 
Never understood how crows and ravens became a mascot for the end times
mate, 750 million people are locked down in china right now and thousands upon thousands are dead

put 2 and 2 together

Okay, I just did an updated version of my summary on SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 that contains all the information I’ve gathered and all the analysis work I’ve done over the last month. This is where I’m at right now.

I'm going to attempt to summarize my updated findings in a concise manner, to try and narrow down what happens to COVID-19 victims. Headings dividing each section are in bold type. I'm also going to cite my sources:

The disease has an R0, the reproduction value, of around 6.6, which means 1 person infects that many other people, on average. There are also super-spreader incidents where one person can infect dozens of others. The R0 has been variously calculated as being somewhere between 3 and 7, and one Belgian scientist says between 4.7 to 7:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

https://www.rtbf.be/info/opinions/d...us-il-faut-savoir-ecouter-la-peur?id=10443799

The median incubation period is around 5 days, but outliers of 24+ days have been seen:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30026-1/fulltext

SARS-CoV-2 is strongly suspected to be airborne:

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/worl...sks/ar-BB10ljdt?ocid=ems.msn.dl.RosetteNebula

SARS-CoV is known to have spread by the oral-fecal route and through airborne sewage particulate matter, and SARS-CoV-2 is likely no different in that regard. SARS contaminates sewers and makes them hazardous:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5302810/

The virus attacks ACE2 receptors in cells. ACE2 stands for Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2, and it's part of the angiotensin-renin system that regulates vasoconstriction and vasodilation. This system is essential for your body to maintain the correct blood pressure. ACE2 receptors are found in many vital organs and reproductive tissues in the human body. Lungs, heart, kidneys, brain, and also in the testis in males:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin–angiotensin_system

https://www.dicardiology.com/article/cardiac-implications-novel-coronavirus

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

The primary pathology of note in COVID-19 is bilateral pneumonia with ground-glass lesions visible in CT scans:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30086-4/fulltext

SARS-CoV (a relative of SARS-CoV-2) has been shown to cause neural death (surprisingly without encephalitis) in transgenic mouse models:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493326/

SARS-CoV was also found in the brains of infected patients in previous outbreaks:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

Recent information seems to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 can cause neurological symptoms and cerebrovascular disease:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.22.20026500v1

SARS-CoV-2 can also possibly cause massive co-infections of prevotella, a normally harmless gut bacteria, potentially even displaying bacteriophage-like synergistic behavior with prevotella:

https://osf.io/ktngw/

https://www.researchgate.net/public...nt_in_huge_amounts_in_patients_from_both_Chin

The action of SARS-Coronaviruses (which attack ACE2 pathways) can dysregulate the angiotensin system and cause cardiopulmonary damage and inflammation directly through this route:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/fvl.10.4

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32061198

SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 can both cause cytokine storms, where inflammatory agents released by the body's own immune system begin to over-accumulate and damage tissues that they were sent to protect:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)30183-5

SARS-CoV-2 can cause myocarditis leading to myoglobin accumulation in the blood and renal failure. It can also directly attack several vital organs of the body:

https://www.acc.org/~/media/665AFA1E710B4B3293138D14BE8D1213.pdf

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...contracting-the-coronavirus#Liver-and-kidneys

SARS-CoV has been shown to be capable of Dengue-like antibody-dependent enhancement, tricking the immune system into aiding the virus. It is unknown whether or not SARS-CoV-2 can do the same. Also, some of these studies use in vitro models that have not been verified in vivo, and should perhaps be viewed with skepticism:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3019510/

https://www.msi.umn.edu/~lifang/flpapers/fang_li_mers_ade_jvi_2019.pdf

SARS-CoV has been known to cause vasculitis of the organs by attacking blood vessels directly. It is unknown whether or not this also applies to SARS-CoV-2:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660

SARS-CoV-2 has a furin cleavage site on the spike glycoprotein that may greatly enhance cell-to-cell fusion and infectiousness:

http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398

http://www.virology.ws/2020/02/13/furin-cleavage-site-in-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-glycoprotein/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...e-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say

There is some hope! Various drugs and therapies are being investigated.

Remdesivir and Chloroquine show promise in inhibiting viral replication:


https://www.gilead.com/purpose/advancing-global-health/covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550

CytoSorb, an extracorporeal filtration therapy, may help with cytokine release syndrome (a.k.a the dreaded cytokine storm):

https://cytosorbents.com/cytosorb-the-wuhan-coronavirus-and-cytokine-storm/

http://cytosorbents.mediaroom.com/2...-Patients-with-COVID-19-Coronavirus-Infection

Angiotensin blockers (ARBs) can potentially keep SARS-CoV-2 and similar coronaviruses away from ACE2 receptors, but they may have unwanted side effects:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11427-015-4814-7.pdf

Quick Summary:
  • Extremely contagious.
  • Long incubation period with asymptomatic transmission.
  • Very high likelihood of airborne aerosol transmission as well as oral-fecal transmission.
  • Causes severe bilateral viral pneumonia with ground-glass opacities in the lungs visible on CT.
  • Can potentially cause myocarditis and subsequent rhabdomyolysis that shuts down the kidneys due to myoglobin entering the blood from the damaged heart.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels, especially inside certain vital organs.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels and/or neurons in the brain (which may be the cause for the mysterious sudden drop fatalities with people suffering apparent brain death and seizures, as seen in leaked social media footage).
  • As if that wasn’t bad enough, it could even infect your own gut bacteria and form a symbiotic relationship with it, possibly becoming a persistent environmental contaminant when you defecate symbiotic colonies of prevotella and SARS-CoV-2 (bacteriophage-like behavior).
This information will require further verification from experts in virology and epidemiology, but I've tried to do a meta-analysis as best I can.

This thing is so much scarier than the flu, it's unbelievable.

COVID-19 is a deceptive and sinister disease that presents as severe pneumonia while, in actuality, running covert operations on most of your vital organs. Then, you shit it out and your sewage contaminates sewers, groundwater, and bodies of water, infecting other people.
keep this up and maybe you'll get your own thread you can post in to your heart's desire :)
 
ADDED: As I have posted on about how I prepare things which is essentially my life style ( I cook a lot), here is a guy who gave out some decent advice,

I'll post my bread pudding later as it is just an old fashioned way people stretched their food dollar. And its fucking good.
 
Supply chain news round-up for Feb 29 via r/supplychain. Archive
  • Harvard Business Review projects major supply disruptions by mid-March that could last months. The last of the cargo ships that left Chinese ports before Lunar New Year arrived at western ports last few days: http://archive.is/sf1Zp
  • The Economist has a piece on over-reliance on China for pharma manufacturing (no shit): http://archive.is/Xzu6c

China's PMI (Purchasing Manufacturers Index) for February at lowest level since 2009 - Yahoo Finance has an article (link) saying that activity in China's vast manufacturing sector likely shrank in February at the fastest pace since the global financial crisis. The PMI index is set to fall to 46, a level not seen since then. Anything under 50 indicates contraction instead of growth. It's a sign of the enormous economic damage the virus has caused Yahoo says and goes on to flag that many companies continue to struggle to find enough labour. The Chinese president is continuing to reassure world leaders that he expects China to hit its growth targets regardless of the virus issues.

DeutschePost DHL announces strong 2019 FY results - Transport intelligence reports (Link) that DHL Group revenue was up by 2.9% to€63.3bn with all five divisions contributing to this performance. The group’s operating profit (EBIT) improved significantly, by 30.6% compared with the previous year in which earnings were impacted by one-time effects. The group continues to invest heavily in profitable growth including a spend of €1.1bn on renewing some of their Express airplane fleet; the new planes are 18% more efficient helping to contribute to the group's sustainability goals. “Deutsche Post DHL Group had a very good year 2019 and a successful start to 2020 in January. Thanks to our broad geographic set-up and our comprehensive portfolio we are more resilient than other companies. However, a worldwide crisis like the Coronavirus does not leave us unaffected. It is currently hard to judge how strong the impact on our business will be,” said CEO Frank Appel. (Personal note: I met Frank Appel at an employee summerfest when I worked in the group's global forwarding global HQ in Bonn. My friend asked him what he does to relax, he told us he likes to read up on the latest developments in neuroscience - he has a PhD in neurobiology - which was a rather unexpected answer). (Second personal note, if anyone's interested in the group's CO2 emissions, their 2018 corporate sustainbility report says on page 93 (link) it was 29.48m tonnes of CO2, slightly more than Sri Lanka's (link)).

Vancouver port being hit by import slow down - Supplypro.ca reports (link) that volumes at the port are experiencing a larger than normal trade slowdown. It adds that the port's CEO "If the virus continues to spread, market quarantines could severely dent trade with Japan and South Korea, which together with China account for well over half of freight volume at Canada’s Pacific gateway." The port has additionally been affected by rolling blockades restricting access to the port by demonstrations in support of Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs opposed to a natural gas pipeline slated to bisect their traditional territory in northern British Columbia.

Other ports warning of economy impacts to their local hinterlands -Other N American ports are now starting to warn of negative economic impacts to their hinterlands. South Carolina says problems are starting to develop involving KION (a major forklift manufacturer) as well as poultry and pork producers (Link) whilst a lack of empty containers may soon cause issues for exporters in Texas trying to use the port of Houston (Link).

Experts warn of significant impacts to Detroit due to its bias towards manufacturing - The Detroit news reports (link) that Michigan's manufacturing roots — with 14.2% of employment based in manufacturing compared to 8.5% nationally — will leave it more exposed to the potential for production slowdowns and layoffs from the virus' impact on supply chains. "I think it's absolutely going to have some impact on production in North America because we source not only stuff from China but stuff from other countries that has Chinese content," said Kristin Dziczek, vice president of industry, labor and economics at the Ann Arbor-based Center for Automotive Research. "We haven't seen this kind of viral outbreak with this level global integration on the supply chain to really know what's going to happen." Impacts could vary from some trim levels being unavailable through to complete production line shutdowns depending on what parts are unavailable.

Nearly 9% of global container shipping fleet now inactive -Supplychaindive says (Link) that a lack of demand and quarantine measures has significantly reduced the amount of active ships; inactive TEU capacity is now 2.04m TEU (Twenty foot Equivalent Units, the industry standard measure), this is 500,000 more than at the peak of the global financial credit crisis in 2011.

South Korean container line cuts executive salaries by 10% - Splash247 reports (link) that SM Lines has cut its executives salary by 10% as it wrestles with a significant drop in traffic between China and South Korea. SM Line, part of South Korean construction firm Samra Midas Group, operates a fleet of 17 containerships with a total capacity of around 74,000 teu. It has recently been selling a significant tranche of its fleet. It concentrates on intra-Asia tradelanes which experts say are the worst affected.

United reduces flights to Asia as outbreak spreads - Freightwave has a short article (Link) that United Airlines has further reduced flights to Asia due to the spreading outbreak with flights suspended to Tokyo and Osaka, Japan, Singapore and South Korea.

Apple CEO however views the supply chain issues as temporary -Fortune says (Link) that Apple will not make any sudden moves out of China due to the virus, viewing the situation as only temporary. “We’re talking about adjusting some knobs, not some sort of wholesale, fundamental change,” he said in an interview aired Friday 28th February on Fox Business. He deflected questions on whether it would impact their Q2 results (Q2 for them starts in June) but added that he’ll be watching the coronavirus situation unfold in Korea and Italy since Apple has suppliers and businesses there as well. “It’s very important to see what happens there,” he said.

Harvard Business Review: How Coronavirus could impact the global supply chain by mid March - The HBR (which is an excellent business journal, I subscribe to it) has an article (link) about the supply chain impacts of the virus. It points out that ships leaving China just as the outbreak became a clear problem will be arriving here in Europe now and there won't be much coming afterwards for months. It will lead to supply chain outages by mid March the journal explains and quotes Allard Castelein, the CEO of Rotterdam harbor as saying, “The effect of the coronavirus is already visible. The number of departures from Chinese ports has decreased by 20% these days.” Activity at the French port of Le Havre is also slowing and could drop by 30% within two months.

Textiles industry problems extend to Latin America - WWD says (link) that significant issues are occuring in the industry across Latin America due to Chinese import delays. It adds that this will have a knock on effect with delayed deliveries into North America for consumer sales. Some raw material production exists in Latin America, but not enough to meet production demand. In Mexico, trade association and brand executives making collections for the likes of Levi’s, Tommy Hilfiger and Disney have reported bottlenecks importing raw materials from China, but insisted they don’t yet foresee production delays for shipping apparel to the U.S unless the problems extend beyond 60 days.

Longer term implications of Covid-19

I've highlighted a few editorial opinion pieces about the dangers of being too reliant on a single country in the past but the Economist Magazine has provided a really good article today (Link, requires subscription unless you read the source of the page). It argues that in the case of pharma supply chains, China has not been dominant for that long, noting that America's last penicillin fermenting plant only closed in 2004. Warnings in the US about the dominance of China in the global pharma supply chain have been coming for a while the article adds; a senior Pentagon official, Christopher Priest (acting deputy assistant director for healthcare operations and Tricare for the Defense Health Agency) declared in hearings in July 2019 that “the national-security risks of increased Chinese dominance of the global API market cannot be overstated.” The article concludes by quoting several senior thinkers on industrial policy that it's likely that once this is over many supply chains will be remodelled to reduce their dependence on Chinese cost and operational efficiencies in order to reduce supply chain security risks by having all their eggs in one basket.

Another decent editorial opinion piece comes from Bill Gates. Familiar with global health care due to donations of several billion dollars over the years through the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, he discusses the measures needed to take to fight this outbreak and to prevent the next one including better international data sharing and keeping drugs available at an affordable price for all. So far the Gates's have pledged up to $100m to fight Covid-19. It's an interesting piece (but not supply chain related); if interested you can find it here (Link)
 
China has some of the smoggiest and dirtiest cities in the world.

Chinks do not smoke. They chainsmoke at a level that would leave most choking. They have made it into an art form.

Your average eastern eurpoor like me smokes a pack or two at worst a week. Its expensive.
Chinks? A day at best, they get it cheaply at home. Plus our air is rather clean, theirs is very bad.

But eastern european health care is at best on par with China.

In Hungary, stores are getting cleaned out of flour and rice, and tinned food is getting a lot of attention too .

Most people are not preppeing for apocalypse, just a month-long quarantine.

There is also the sentiment that Slavs and Huns are STRONK and will bitchslap ching chong disease like a whore's filthy cunt.

Tldr people are mostly afraid of food shortage.

I am sure we'll get hit, prepped two days in advance.
At least the Slavs, so far as I know, don’t have to deal with TCM being used instead of real treatment.
 
Take ONE fucking day off from the plague to chill with the family and end up dozens of pages behind. This shit could be a fucking job.

Something occurred to me a bit earlier today as I went about my hand-washing. I keep pump-bottles of lotion next to the pump-bottles of hand soap due to how often I already washed my hands. If you wash your hands with soap very often, your hands will dry out, eventually chap and potentially get cracks in the skin. Breeches in your skin will cause a problem that you can't wash off. If an infection gets into you via a cut, that's it, it's inside of you. Even if Corona-chan never lays one THOTty little finger on you, the hand-washing precaution you're taking now can leave you vulnerable to just about every other pathogen that you may get on your hands, not to mention how shitty chapped hands are to begin with.

Kiwis who aren't of the habit of regularly moisturizing or fapping, please get yourselves some lotion. I recommend store-generic coco/shea butter stuff; it's incredibly cheap to buy and does its job very well. Mixing in some cheap aloe jelly wouldn't hurt.
 
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But it gets worse. People are only thinking of the number of deaths. Most people see those numbers of recovered and think its all well and good but how many of them will have permanent problems. How many are going need some sort or rehab, how many will never reach 100% again. How long out of the workforce, how many might not be able to ever do the job they had before again, how much resources taken up recovering. Ripples everywhere

Some people earlier in the thread were poo pooing Zika. I know a guy from church, 31 years old, healthy, who got tagged by it. Year and a half recovery, still needs a walker and will most likely for the rest of his life. To be honest when people look at those recovered numbers they should be looking at them as survived because true recovery might be something different.
A lot of people don't know that virus can fuck you up for life. When I started middle school a girl contracted west nile. Went from a normal 12 year old to basically a vegetable in less than a year. The 2% doesn't sound like a lot, but the 20% needing medical care is going to strain every healthcare system in every country this takes root in.
 
OSU is bringing back students studying abroad in Itally.


COLUMBUS — Ohio State is reaching out to students studying in countries that are experiencing a coronavirus outbreak and bringing them home.

The university is preparing to bring students home from Italy.

They have temporarily restricted students, faculty and staff from traveling to China and South Korea until at least April 20.

Summer abroad programs in China have been suspended, according to the university.

The Ohio Department of Health is working with local public health departments across the state to educate people returning from affected areas such as China, Italy, South Korea and Iran on rules for self-quarantine, symptoms of the infection and next steps if they develop symptoms.

This news comes after Kent State announced on Saturday that they are requiring all students studying in Florence, Italy due return to the United State due to coronavirus.

The Ohio State University's Wexner Medical Center announced it's preparations for the coronavirus:

The Wexner Medical Center team routinely works closely with local and state public health officials to coordinate our response to these types of outbreaks based on recommendations from the CDC.

· If a recent traveler to an affected area develops symptoms of COVID-19, the local health department who is working with the patient will alert the Wexner Medical Center team that the patient is ill.
· The Wexner Medical Center is prepared to care for these patients in private treatment rooms with special ventilation to prevent the spread of any infection.
· Our clinicians and staff wear special protective equipment when gathering samples for viral testing and treating the patient.
· These patients will also be tested for influenza and other viral illnesses that can have similar symptoms and that are much more common in the U.S.
· Testing for COVID-19 can only be performed with the approval of the Ohio Department of Health and the CDC.
· In the event of a local COVID-19 outbreak, the medical center will implement our emergency preparedness plan in accordance with the standardized Hospital Incident Command System.


The CDC lists the following instructions for those who have spent time in Italy during the past 14 days and feel sick with a fever, cough or difficulty breathing:

  • Take your temperature.
  • Seek medical advice. Call ahead before you go to a doctor’s office or emergency room. Tell them about your recent travel and your symptoms.
  • Avoid contact with others.
  • Do not travel while sick.
  • Cover your mouth and nose with a tissue or your sleeve (not your hands) when coughing or sneezing
  • Clean your hands often by washing them with soap and water for at least 20 seconds or using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains 60%–95% alcohol immediately after coughing, sneezing or blowing your nose. Soap and water should be used if hands are visibly dirty.
  • Praise Peryite. Daedric Prince of pestilence.
 
A lot of people don't know that virus can fuck you up for life. When I started middle school a girl contracted west nile. Went from a normal 12 year old to basically a vegetable in less than a year. The 2% doesn't sound like a lot, but the 20% needing medical care is going to strain every healthcare system in every country this takes root in.

Only 6% of reported cases need critical care, the other 14% were just "hospitalized" which I guess means they were on high-flow oxygen.

Which you could do in home care but do we have a system in place for that? The UK does. We don't.

We also have an ongoing PPE shortage and none of our distributors know what the fuck Trump was talking about with the 3M contract. When will we have more? Who knows.
 
Okay, I just did an updated version of my summary on SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 that contains all the information I’ve gathered and all the analysis work I’ve done over the last month. This is where I’m at right now.

I'm going to attempt to summarize my updated findings in a concise manner, to try and narrow down what happens to COVID-19 victims. Headings dividing each section are in bold type. I'm also going to cite my sources:

The disease has an R0, the reproduction value, of around 6.6, which means 1 person infects that many other people, on average. There are also super-spreader incidents where one person can infect dozens of others. The R0 has been variously calculated as being somewhere between 3 and 7, and one Belgian scientist says between 4.7 to 7:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

https://www.rtbf.be/info/opinions/d...us-il-faut-savoir-ecouter-la-peur?id=10443799

The median incubation period is around 5 days, but outliers of 24+ days have been seen:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30026-1/fulltext

SARS-CoV-2 is strongly suspected to be airborne:

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/worl...sks/ar-BB10ljdt?ocid=ems.msn.dl.RosetteNebula

SARS-CoV is known to have spread by the oral-fecal route and through airborne sewage particulate matter, and SARS-CoV-2 is likely no different in that regard. SARS contaminates sewers and makes them hazardous:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5302810/

The virus attacks ACE2 receptors in cells. ACE2 stands for Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2, and it's part of the angiotensin-renin system that regulates vasoconstriction and vasodilation. This system is essential for your body to maintain the correct blood pressure. ACE2 receptors are found in many vital organs and reproductive tissues in the human body. Lungs, heart, kidneys, brain, and also in the testis in males:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin–angiotensin_system

https://www.dicardiology.com/article/cardiac-implications-novel-coronavirus

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

The primary pathology of note in COVID-19 is bilateral pneumonia with ground-glass lesions visible in CT scans:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30086-4/fulltext

SARS-CoV (a relative of SARS-CoV-2) has been shown to cause neural death (surprisingly without encephalitis) in transgenic mouse models:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493326/

SARS-CoV was also found in the brains of infected patients in previous outbreaks:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

Recent information seems to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 can cause neurological symptoms and cerebrovascular disease:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.22.20026500v1

SARS-CoV-2 can also possibly cause massive co-infections of prevotella, a normally harmless gut bacteria, potentially even displaying bacteriophage-like synergistic behavior with prevotella:

https://osf.io/ktngw/

https://www.researchgate.net/public...nt_in_huge_amounts_in_patients_from_both_Chin

The action of SARS-Coronaviruses (which attack ACE2 pathways) can dysregulate the angiotensin system and cause cardiopulmonary damage and inflammation directly through this route:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/fvl.10.4

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32061198

SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 can both cause cytokine storms, where inflammatory agents released by the body's own immune system begin to over-accumulate and damage tissues that they were sent to protect:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)30183-5

SARS-CoV-2 can cause myocarditis leading to myoglobin accumulation in the blood and renal failure. It can also directly attack several vital organs of the body:

https://www.acc.org/~/media/665AFA1E710B4B3293138D14BE8D1213.pdf

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...contracting-the-coronavirus#Liver-and-kidneys

SARS-CoV has been shown to be capable of Dengue-like antibody-dependent enhancement, tricking the immune system into aiding the virus. It is unknown whether or not SARS-CoV-2 can do the same. Also, some of these studies use in vitro models that have not been verified in vivo, and should perhaps be viewed with skepticism:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3019510/

https://www.msi.umn.edu/~lifang/flpapers/fang_li_mers_ade_jvi_2019.pdf

SARS-CoV has been known to cause vasculitis of the organs by attacking blood vessels directly. It is unknown whether or not this also applies to SARS-CoV-2:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660

SARS-CoV-2 has a furin cleavage site on the spike glycoprotein that may greatly enhance cell-to-cell fusion and infectiousness:

http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398

http://www.virology.ws/2020/02/13/furin-cleavage-site-in-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-glycoprotein/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...e-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say

There is some hope! Various drugs and therapies are being investigated.

Remdesivir and Chloroquine show promise in inhibiting viral replication:


https://www.gilead.com/purpose/advancing-global-health/covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550

CytoSorb, an extracorporeal filtration therapy, may help with cytokine release syndrome (a.k.a the dreaded cytokine storm):

https://cytosorbents.com/cytosorb-the-wuhan-coronavirus-and-cytokine-storm/

http://cytosorbents.mediaroom.com/2...-Patients-with-COVID-19-Coronavirus-Infection

Angiotensin blockers (ARBs) can potentially keep SARS-CoV-2 and similar coronaviruses away from ACE2 receptors, but they may have unwanted side effects:

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11427-015-4814-7.pdf

Quick Summary:
  • Extremely contagious.
  • Long incubation period with asymptomatic transmission.
  • Very high likelihood of airborne aerosol transmission as well as oral-fecal transmission.
  • Causes severe bilateral viral pneumonia with ground-glass opacities in the lungs visible on CT.
  • Can potentially cause myocarditis and subsequent rhabdomyolysis that shuts down the kidneys due to myoglobin entering the blood from the damaged heart.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels, especially inside certain vital organs.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels and/or neurons in the brain (which may be the cause for the mysterious sudden drop fatalities with people suffering apparent brain death and seizures, as seen in leaked social media footage).
  • As if that wasn’t bad enough, it could even infect your own gut bacteria and form a symbiotic relationship with it, possibly becoming a persistent environmental contaminant when you defecate symbiotic colonies of prevotella and SARS-CoV-2 (bacteriophage-like behavior).
This information will require further verification from experts in virology and epidemiology, but I've tried to do a meta-analysis as best I can.

This thing is so much scarier than the flu, it's unbelievable.

COVID-19 is a deceptive and sinister disease that presents as severe pneumonia while, in actuality, running covert operations on most of your vital organs. Then, you shit it out and your sewage contaminates sewers, groundwater, and bodies of water, infecting other people.

Look, the world was doing fine with just 6 Billion people on it. In fact, I'd argue it was better. Quit worrying so much!
 
Never understood how crows and ravens became a mascot for the end times *sigh*, both are wonderfully friendly and intelligent animals, assuming you treat them with the respect and kindness they deserve. :)
They're black (Jet Black, not Basketball American) and under the right conditions their bird call is unsettling.
 
I just want to remind you Kiwis something:

Smile at yourself in the mirror.
Touch a family member. (No hitting)
Read at least one dumb joke online and smile.

Humor and human contact can take you through almost anything.

A lot of people don't know that virus can fuck you up for life. When I started middle school a girl contracted west nile. Went from a normal 12 year old to basically a vegetable in less than a year. The 2% doesn't sound like a lot, but the 20% needing medical care is going to strain every healthcare system in every country this takes root in.
When I was a kid we all had "that kid" who got sick, disappeared, and we never saw again only to find out later they died.

A couple kids who got sick and when they came back had mittens pinned to their jackets and brain buckets and handlers.
 
Only 6% of reported cases need critical care, the other 14% were just "hospitalized" which I guess means they were on high-flow oxygen.

Which you could do in home care but do we have a system in place for that? The UK does. We don't.

We also have an ongoing PPE shortage and none of our distributors know what the fuck Trump was talking about with the 3M contract. When will we have more? Who knows.
UK doesn't either, theirs a DR. John Campbell on youtube whose been covering this. He's a old english medical professional, he says NHS wouldn't be able to handle the excess inflow.

PPE shortage isn't just a american problem, it's a world problem atm.

I did see a interview with some Scottish government official saying if things got to bad that they would ask retired dr. and nurses to come back to work to help with the workload. I don't know how well that would go, considering this is harder on the elderly.

I would hope the usa government would be able to set up mobile clinics/hospitals if shit got really bad, but then again they can barely handle a hurricane or blizzard.
 
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