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[kcbbq]

Ummm? What? No really what? Hand Sanitizers are mainly alcohol. Which generally will damage viruses present on surfaces and skin. Viruses are actually pretty fragile things when not protected within a host. Bacteria is much much more robust.

This. While some viruses can resist some sanitizers, even HIV inactivates in the face of enough alcohol.

If this person is a scientist in the STEM sense they need to be made not a scientist.

 

[Barnard]

Exactly. The idea of a phage that also targets mammalian cells is highly abnormal, Andromeda Strain-level nonsense. And yet, that’s exactly what these papers seem to be suggesting. Prevotella is indeed a normal species of gut bacteria, found in everyone’s body. These researchers found tons of it in combination with SARS-CoV-2 virions, and they wrote papers suggesting some manner of symbiotic relationship between prevotella and SARS-CoV-2, where the virus both feeds on and augments the bacteria.

In that paper I quote above, they literally said, and I quote, “The changes in the spike protein may have enabled the virus to infect both bacterial and human cells.”

From this, I made the connection that if this virus were allowed into the environment in large amounts, it might behave like a phage in sewage and survive indefinitely outside the human body, reproducing by eating bacteria in the environment and polluting the whole biosphere with SARS.

If true, it would certainly explain why China’s in a mad rush to incinerate bodies. It would also explain the huge fleets of bleach cannon trucks. It would also explain the lingering illness and apparent “reinfection” of patients. The virus retreats into its colony in gut bacteria, and then reactivates after a while. It never really goes away (unless you blast someone with enough antibiotics to cause C. Diff).

The one thing I can say to potentially alleviate your worries is that it's not really "researchers" (as in plural), but one guy whose education and experience I can't find anywhere, and who might well be misinterpreting data or leaping to conclusions. Not gonna pretend I have the slightest bit of competence necessary to assess his claims, but why should we readily trust him?

 

[Eryngium]

Ummm? What? No really what? Hand Sanitizers are mainly alcohol. Which generally will damage viruses present on surfaces and skin. Viruses are actually pretty fragile things when not protected within a host. Bacteria is much much more robust.

What the fuck Bigot, you think women can’t be educated and become doctors, she has more braincells then you will ever have, now shut your mouth and go to the kitchen and make a goddamn sandwich Incel, and make it quick.

 

[Otterly]

In that paper I quote above, they literally said, and I quote, “The changes in the spike protein may have enabled the virus to infect both bacterial and human cells.”

I went back and looked at this because I wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything. The paper seems to be a non peer reviewed preprint (the abstract contains the phrase ‘these are the only studies I could find’ or similar which means it really has not been written by anyone who has been through the peer review process before, that’s coming back with red pen all over...)
Anyway, he says that he thinks the virus is infecting prevotella but that just does not happen. Bacteria don’t get infected by animal viruses, what CAN happen, and where I think he’s got confused, is that infection with a virus can help the process of bacterial infection. So it’s documented for example that infection with a different Coronavirus aids adhesion of a bacterium to an epithelial cell. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168281/. Archive: http://archive.li/wip/GJs1o ) that’s been known for years - viral infections open you up to bacterial ones which is why kids colds can turn into ear infection ms and people get bacterial pneumonia on top of a viral chest infection
Those are two very different mechanism: a virally infected tissue being prone to bacterial invasion is very different to the virus actually infecting the bacterial cell. Bacteria are a different kingdom of life, and as far as I know, an animal virus just can’t Infect and use a bacterium.
Interesting to see the paper though! Thanks for flagging it

 

[Aib Ld]

Ummm? What? No really what? Hand Sanitizers are mainly alcohol. Which generally will damage viruses present on surfaces and skin. Viruses are actually pretty fragile things when not protected within a host. Bacteria is much much more robust.

I'm still recovering after reading this.

 

[NyQuilninja]

As I reread the entire thread this weekend I happen to know for a fact this is a new item for Amerikiwis to consider.

As mandated by the US Constitution on April 1 (not joking, yes on April fools day) 2020 millions of government workers will (in a pandemic) take to the streets and knock on every door in the US and at least attempt to talk to every human currently in the US.












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Clownworld timeline confirmed.


Edit government site: https://2020census.gov/en.html

Minor power leveling I signed up to be a census taker I like to live dangerously for low amounts of chump change

 

[Twinkletard]

Man, you guys are freaking me out with this reinfection talk.

 

[Otterly]

Above 70% ethanol will nuke most things, which is why every scientist working in a lab with anything biological like that will keep a plant mister with 70% ethanol in and douse everything in it constantly. Something tells me Jasmin may not be an actual scientist (shocking, I know...)
Also if you’re making your own sanitiser from gel and ethanol Make sure you’re keeping the EtOH concentration over 70% or it’ll be much less effective.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

@Otterly and @EmuWarsVeteran have fun with this one.

You know. As soon as I realized I would not have an internet connection for the whole day long trip. I fucking knew today would be fun. And lo and behold the one day I miss is the day Blackpill Jesus himself, lord or preppers and patron saint of doomers, chooses to grace us with his presence. Holy shit this is some weapon's grade, enriched autism.

Literally nuking the everloving fuck out of any place that has this is not a half-bad idea. Here’s why:

https://osf.io/ktngw/

The 2019 Wuhan outbreak is caused by the bacteria Prevotella, which is aided by the coronavirus, possibly to adhere to epithelial cells - Prevotella is present in huge amounts in patients from both China and Hong Kong

Download Citation | The 2019 Wuhan outbreak is caused by the bacteria Prevotella, which is aided by the coronavirus, possibly to adhere to epithelial cells - Prevotella is present in huge amounts in patients from both China and Hong Kong | A hitherto unknown cause of the Wuhan coronavirus...

www.researchgate.net

If this thing can behave like a bacteriophage that also infects human cells, then we are beyond fucked.

If any of this is true, then it may be a biosphere-destroyer.

No. It wouldn't. All it would mean is its harder to cure. Multiple of the organisms responsible for the common cold are bacteriophages, this isn't new for viri, it is worrying, but certainly not to that degree. At most it means countries with shitty healthcares will get a few extra dead chinks/smokers/boomers.

There are ways to jury-rig something like that very, very quickly. They’re trying to cover up the emissions from cremation so outsiders don’t notice, not because they give a fuck about pollution. They don’t. Just appearances.

Let me explain. Let me try to summarize that post I made earlier with all the spoopy sciency links.

This virus first causes a little flu.

Then, you get bilateral pneumonia in both lungs, with ground-glass opacities touching the lung edges.

Then, it sneakily infects your heart muscle with myocarditis, and your myoglobin from your heart breaks off into your bloodstream and gives you rhabdo, which gives you acute kidney failure requiring dialysis.

It also starts clumping up lumps of virus, bacteria, and dissolved tissues in your bloodstream, forming clots that can give you a heart attack or stroke.

Meanwhile, it’s infecting your blood vessels and giving you vasculitis, in your brain and other vital organs.

As if that wasn’t bad enough, this thing may have a symbiotic relationship with prevotella bacteria in your gut, combining with it like Voltron and then colonizing your gut bacteria.

Every time you defecate, you shit out lumps of virus/bacteria symbiote, which contaminate sewage and bodies of water.

When you die, your whole body becomes hazmat and must be incinerated immediately to prevent environmental contamination, otherwise, the virus may live alongside its bacterial colony as an anaerobic waterborne disease, or it may even attack and feast on other bacteria in water and in sewage, persisting in it for weeks, months, years, who the fuck knows?

Wuhan is fucked. The whole city will have to be torn down. It’s no longer habitable anymore.

This is a sci-fi pathogen like nothing we’ve ever seen. I’ve never even heard of a virus that acts as both a bacteriophage and something that attacks human tissues at the same time.

What kinda fucking drugs are you on and what's your dealer's number. First you get the flu, then much like with the regular flu you might get pneumonia, and that's it. Hell this one causes more inflamation but less mucous than the flu so compared to it there's LESS of a chance of pneumonia (but more of a chance of diarrhea
... get water and antacids, for real.) Everything else on that list you just oulled out of your ass.

Also lol @"virus bacteria symbiote" that's not even close to symbiosis. It's a bacterioFAGE the name says it all, it KILLS bacteria.

As for the uberprepping. Whatever sure do what you want but don't forget to at least phone your loved ones once a day and be ready for a hospital trip if pneumonia gets you. All the prepping in the world didn't stop the common cold. It's a matter of bad luck sometimes.

 

[AMHOLIO]

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So this popped up in my timeline (artist I like panicked when the virus got to her town and instead filling it with virus posts), Twitter auto refreshed and I couldn't find it, and so I searched for it. Well...

Found the original https://twitter.com/jasminjoestar/status/1234255856926986241?s=19

「JASMIN」 on Twitter: "Hand sanitizer is anti-bacterial The coronaviru…

archived 2 Mar 2020 18:44:09 UTC

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She clarifies further in the thread what she means, emphasizing hand washing.



Didnt snoop enough to find out what kind of scientist she was.

Shea also made this dig which is a bit extra passive aggressive for no reason, perhaps to take wind out of "it's just a flu bro".
https://twitter.com/jasminjoestar/status/1234393506627510273?s=19

「JASMIN」 on Twitter: "… "

archived 2 Mar 2020 18:40:42 UTC

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Edit: photo for those too lazy to click through

 

[CDWLTY]

Masoumeh Ebtekar has it, too. Truly the face of God shines on Iran. Come on, Corona-Chan, work your magic on Sister Mary.

Checkmate, atheists.

I continue my sacred offerings to the plague god Nurgle in the hopes he can bless more with his gifts. I guess it’s working.

 

[Male Idiot]

I continue my sacred offerings to the plague god Nurgle in the hopes he can bless more with his gifts. I guess it’s working.

Make sure to rub your snot in trifold patterns on your forehead and never flush the toilet.

Speaking of faith, the hungarian churches are going for touch free services too. So far no confirmed cases.

 

[FearAndLiterallyTrembling]

Found the original https://twitter.com/jasminjoestar/status/1234255856926986241?s=19

「JASMIN」 on Twitter: "Hand sanitizer is anti-bacterial The coronaviru…

archived 2 Mar 2020 18:44:09 UTC

archive.ph

She clarifies further in the thread what she means, emphasizing hand washing.

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Didnt snoop enough to find out what kind of scientist she was.

Shea also made this dig which is a bit extra passive aggressive for no reason, perhaps to take wind out of "it's just a flu bro".
https://twitter.com/jasminjoestar/status/1234393506627510273?s=19

「JASMIN」 on Twitter: "… "

archived 2 Mar 2020 18:40:42 UTC

archive.ph

She’s obviously trying to look smug as she walks back her objectively incorrect statement. She says “sanitizer will do nothing for the coronavirus,” and then defends herself in the replies saying “soap and water is more effective therefore I’m right.” Except that “hand-washing will protect you against Corona more effectively than weak alcohol sanitizer” is not at all the same claim as “sanitizer does nothing.”

Philosophy of science people sometimes joke about “scientism,” a sort of secular religion which treats science as holy revelation and scientists as its priests. It’s embodied in remarks like “science tells us ______,” or “science is making the world a better place.” Science can’t tell you anything or do anything, because science isn’t a person or an organization. Science is a set of academic norms. A few scientists have decided they like being priests, though, and thus like to use “scientist” as a sort of claim to authority.

Science is a social activity carried out by university and lab employees. As the replication crisis has shown us, it’s not always done with a spirit of honesty. Best to assess claims more on their merits, instead of on the credentials of the speaker.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Let's check in with the Asian Superpooper.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

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So this popped up in my timeline (artist I like panicked when the virus got to her town and instead filling it with virus posts), Twitter auto refreshed and I couldn't find it, and so I searched for it. Well...

Let take advice from this idiotic person, sure. I know she clarified it after she got called out but what a doofus. Yes I’m sure she’s a scientist if she doesn’t understand how alcohol based sanitizer works.

If you use “all natural” hand sanitizer you ain’t doing shit to that virus. If you’re using at least 60% alcohol hand sanitizer you’ll take care of it in lieu of hand washing. What I’ve stocked up on is 70% alcohol sanitizer and it’s just for outside the house when I can’t wash my hands. I also have a small pack of Clorox wipes to wipe down gas station pumps and shopping carts if I have to go somewhere.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

GDC has been cancelled. Microsoft might cancel soon. I hope. If not, I hope plague doctor masks are being prepared.

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Here's the link if you want to see more tech conference cancellations.

Coronavirus tech conference cancellations list: Apple WWDC, Salesforce Dreamforce, Microsoft Build and Ignite, VMworld, HPE Discover, Gartner, Dell World and more | ZDNet

As the COVID-19 outbreak spreads, tech conferences are being canceled, postponed, or turned into virtual events.

www.zdnet.com

Like Flash, Adobe is opening themselves up to viruses.

Where did you get this secret pic of @Spiteful Crow?!

 

[Mike Hunt]

I just assume that all countries will be blessed by corona-chan eventually. I'm more interested to see what scientists are cooking up to combat the virus, and the different paths they're taking with their own proposed cures. Sadly, those things take time (and maybe underreported by MSM, because increasing infection rates can drive more clicks than science shit). It's nice that Kiwis here are able to share the few articles and even post explainers (looking at you, @Otterly and @EmuWarsVeteran) that do focus on those. This is why this thread is awesome.

 

[AMHOLIO]

She’s obviously trying to look smug as she walks back her objectively incorrect statement. She says “sanitizer will do nothing for the coronavirus,” and then defends herself in the replies saying “soap and water is more effective therefore I’m right.” Except that “hand-washing will protect you against Corona more effectively than weak alcohol sanitizer” is not at all the same claim as “sanitizer does nothing.”

Philosophy of science people sometimes joke about “scientism,” a sort of secular religion which treats science as holy revelation and scientists as its priests. It’s embodied in remarks like “science tells us ______,” or “science is making the world a better place.” Science can’t tell you anything or do anything, because science isn’t a person or an organization. Science is a set of academic norms. A few scientists have decided they like being priests, though, and thus like to use “scientist” as a sort of claim to authority.

Science is a social activity carried out by university and lab employees. As the replication crisis has shown us, it’s not always done with a spirit of honesty. Best to assess claims more on their merits, instead of on the credentials of the speaker.

Pretty much. I wanted to give her a small bit of credit (I'm always ) along with fuller context for preservation purposes, but you're not wrong at all.

 

[Captain Chromosome]

Okay, panic's over, everyone. Racism is the real virus.

 

[Sam Losco]

Let's check in with the Asian Superpooper.

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Too late. That flight crew has probably already worked a dozen more flights since then.