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As I reread the entire thread this weekend I happen to know for a fact this is a new item for Amerikiwis to consider.

As mandated by the US Constitution on April 1 (not joking, yes on April fools day) 2020 millions of government workers will (in a pandemic) take to the streets and knock on every door in the US and at least attempt to talk to every human currently in the US.












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Clownworld timeline confirmed.


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As I reread the entire thread this weekend I happen to know for a fact this is a new item for Amerikiwis to consider.

As mandated by the US Constitution on April 1 (not joking, yes on April fools day) 2020 millions of government workers will (in a pandemic) take to the streets and knock on every door in the US and at least attempt to talk to every human currently in the US.












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Clownworld timeline confirmed.


Edit government site: https://2020census.gov/en.html
oh yeah we're pretty much screwed.
 
Okay so news has probably gotten out about Norcal having more cases pop up and people panic buying. I went to a store before closing to see the damage. People bought all the hand sanitizer, some cold relief stuff, some bread, all the berry fruits, and a bunch of soda and sparkling water. All the important stuff was still there such as meats, lentils, canned goods, dairy products, water (all kinds outside sparkling) soaps, bleach, and ingredients to make soups and bread.

We all know the news is mostly wrong and focuses on fearmongering. I have night-of confirmation that at least one store is fine here. People aren't buying things that last, only things that bring comfort or relief. I feel confident saying most nicer grocery stores will be the same.

For anyone else stuck in the hellstate and looking to prep go hit up Grocery Outlet and/or Big Lots, whichever you have available. Not going to specify which ones to avoid powerleveling but they both seem to be free of doomers and the three I’ve been in have had large supplies of sanitizer, soap, cleaning supplies etc as well as 25# bags of oatmeal for ten bucks.

Costco on the other hand has been so incredibly packed that every time I’ve driven by it on my commute the lot has been full all the way to the edge.
 
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For anyone else stuck in the hellstate and looking to prep go hit up Grocery Outlet and/or Big Lots, whichever you have available. Not going to specify which ones to avoid powerleveling but they both seem to be free of doomers and the there I’ve been in have had large supplies of sanitizer, soap, cleaning supplies etc as well as 25# bags of oatmeal for ten bucks.

Costco on the other hand has been so incredibly packed that every time I’ve driven by it on my commute the lot has been full all the way to the edge.
or you can go to China town.
 
I am not saying they would not get cases, but my shitpost was only half a joke. If they got cheap labor, no environmental or worker protection and take over China's role, while having only milder cases due to healthy diet and a super drilled immune system, India could benefit a lot from this.
They are planning to do just that: India sees increased opportunities to replace China on global export market
Indian exporters could push supplies on the global market to fill gaps left by neighboring China due to the coronavirus outbreak, said the Associated Chambers of Commerce of India (Assocham).
According to Assocham, Indian exporters of electronics, pharmaceuticals, specialty chemicals and automobile parts depend on China for raw material. They are currently facing supply constraints due to the Chinese economy being hit by the coronavirus outbreak.
However, there are several areas with increased opportunities for domestic traders, it said.
"Barring a few [products], a large number of engineering exports from India can fill up the market vacated by China; so is the case with products like leather and leather goods," Assocham Secretary General Deepak Sood said, as quoted by the Financial Express.
According to Sood, India could also take advantage of opportunities in areas like agriculture and carpets. "We also need to scale up several of our sectors to compete effectively with China even when the Chinese exporters are able to normalize their global supply chain," Sood said.
Assocham cited the latest China PMI (Purchasing Managers' Index) data, which shows that the country’s factory output level plummeted in February to its lowest in almost two decades, with the consequences bound to be felt in the global market.
"While India's merchandise exports have contracted by 1.93 percent [during the] April-January period of the current fiscal, the coming few months can provide our exporters greater market access in the absence of usually aggressive and competitive Chinese suppliers," the industry body said.
 
Could you nerds take your prepping discussion to another thread? This one is losing its utility as a source for news. @hk-47 fix this shit
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Yeah, we're about at the point where excessively talking about how many cans of beans you've bought has gotten a bit silly. So fair warning: Any excessive rambling about prepping is probably going to get nuked past here. Please don't effort-post about your beans collection.
If someone really, genuinely wants a prep thread then apparently @Niggaplease started one over here. I don't really think there's even that much to be said about prepping, but if you absolutely must, please go do it over there. All you really need to do is run down some kind of check-list and make sure that you've got more X thing than you'd normally have, make sure any of your medications are in order, and then chop out your stairwell so the zombies can't get you
 
Anyway, James Kwan. Seems like they only sometimes give the name of the departed with this. Or is that just the US not reporting names due to some HIPAA issues?

No, our public health contact tracing system can't even name people.

You'll just get a letter in the mail one day saying you may have been exposed to SARS-CoV-2. From who? It's a guessing game!
 
Yeah, we're about at the point where excessively talking about how many cans of beans you've bought has gotten a bit silly. So fair warning: Any excessive rambling about prepping is probably going to get nuked past here. Please don't effort-post about your beans collection.
If someone really, genuinely wants a prep thread they're more than welcome to go make one, but I don't really know where you'd put it. General discussion, I guess? I also don't really think there's even that much to be said about prepping, I mean.. How many ways can you tell people that you bought a bag of rice and a shitload of beans? All you really need to do is run down some kind of check-list and make sure that you've got more X thing than you'd normally have, make sure any of your medications are in order, and then chop out your stairwell so the zombies can't get you
I started one but no one has posted in it. And also the chop your stairs down is a good idea anyway even if things are just mad Max!
 
Just out of curiosity, is there any recording of number of deaths due to flus that are not COVID-19?

The CDC has their syndromic surveillance system. The vast majority of emergency departments are hooked up to it. It gives them diagnoses along with lab work.

They should have a pretty good idea of how many people are dying of the flu and how many people are dying of IFI with neg. respiratory panel.
 
Just for the record this was the point quarantine was pretty much pointless for the US-
'Washington had the United States’ first confirmed case of coronavirus, announced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Jan. 20 '
By Jan 20 it was already on the west coast.
Entire story-
Coronavirus May Have Spread in U.S. for Weeks, Gene Sequencing Suggests
Two cases detected weeks apart in Washington State had genetic links, suggesting that many more people in the area may be infected.


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The first death in the United States from the coronavirus outbreak occurred at EvergreenHealth Medical Center in Kirkland, Wash. on Saturday.

The first death in the United States from the coronavirus outbreak occurred at EvergreenHealth Medical Center in Kirkland, Wash. on Saturday.Credit...Grant Hindsley for The New York Times

Researchers who have examined the genomes of two coronavirus infections in Washington State say the similarities between the cases suggest that the virus may have been spreading in the state for weeks.
Washington had the United States’ first confirmed case of coronavirus, announced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Jan. 20. Based on an analysis of the virus’s genetic sequence, another case that surfaced in the state and was announced on Friday probably was descended from that first case.
The two people live in the same county, but are not known to have had contact with one another, and the second case occurred well after the first would no longer be expected to be contagious. So the genetic findings suggest that the virus has been spreading through other people in the community for close to six weeks, according to one of the scientists who compared the sequences, Trevor Bedford, an associate professor at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and the University of Washington.
Dr. Bedford said it was possible that the two cases could be unrelated, and had been introduced separately into the United States. But he said that was unlikely, however, because in both cases the virus contained a genetic variation that appears to be rare — it was found in only two of the 59 samples whose sequences have been shared from China, where the virus originated.


A scientist who was not involved in the analysis said he agreed with the conclusion that the second case was connected to the original Washington case. “I think he’s right,” said Andrew Rambaut, professor of molecular evolution at the University of Edinburgh, referring to Dr. Bedford. “It’s extremely unlikely that two viruses coming from outside the U.S.A. independently would arrive in the same geographical area and be genetically related unless they were connected.”
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State and local health officials have been hamstrung in their ability to test widely for the coronavirus. Until very recently, the C.D.C. had insisted that only its test could be used, and only on patients who met specific criteria — those who had traveled to China within 14 days of developing symptoms or had contact with a known coronavirus case.
If the virus has been spreading undetected in Washington since mid-January, that could mean that anywhere from 150 to 1,500 people may have it, with about 300 to 500 people the most likely range, said Dr. Mike Famulare, a principal research scientist at the Institute for Disease Modeling in Bellevue, Wa., who performed the analysis. These people “have either been infected and recovered, or currently are infected now,” he said.
Many of those people would now be in the early stages of incubating the virus, and might not yet be contagious, Dr. Famulare said.


Dr. Famulare’s estimate was based on a simulation using what scientists have learned about the incubation period and transmissibility of the virus. He called his figures a “best guess, with broad uncertainty.” Another method, based on the size of the local population, the number of tests performed and the proportion of those that were positive, produced similar estimates of how widely the virus may have spread in the community.
The scientists immediately reported the genomic sequence and their findings to state and federal health officials.
Dr. Scott Lindquist, the state epidemiologist for communicable diseases with the Washington State Department of Health, said on Sunday that though Dr. Bedford’s laboratory had “very limited” data to work with, “I would not be surprised if there was transmission and these two were related.”
Dr. Lindquist said more would be known when genetic sequences from the state’s other cases have been similarly analyzed. “Seeing how they all relate to each other will be the real answer to the question of, has it been circulating,” he said. “I imagine within the week we should have some of these answers.”
Heather Thomas, a spokeswoman for the Snohomish Health District, said in a statement that the district was aware of the preliminary findings suggesting that coronavirus had been spreading for close to six weeks.
She said that it was important to remember that national testing capabilities have only been available for about six weeks, and in Washington, health personnel have only had the ability to test locally for a few days. “It is definitely possible that Covid-19 has been circulating, with people experiencing mild symptoms just like the flu,’’ she said.
The C.D.C. did not respond to a request for comment.
The first patient, a man in his 30s, has recovered after being treated in a hospital isolation unit. The later patient, a teenager, had a mild enough illness to recuperate at home.



According to a statement by the Snohomish Health District, the teenager was unaware that he was being tested for the coronavirus. His case came to light on Friday because he went to a clinic on Feb. 24 to be tested for the flu, and his sample was shared with the Seattle Flu Study, which tested it for a variety of pathogens including the new coronavirus.
Tests have been performed on about 1,000 samples from the study, Dr. Lindquist said, with only one positive result thus far. “So it’s not like it’s super prevalent,” he said of the virus.
“I do think, as more community cases start popping up in the United States, this approach and technique could prove very useful to figuring out the extent of community transmission we currently are having,” Dr. Bedford said of the genetic analysis.
Similar analyses have helped public health officials trace cases and fight outbreaks of Ebola in West Africa and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
On Saturday, local health officials in Seattle said that delays in being able to test for the virus had slowed identification of community cases, meaning those who did not travel to places with major outbreaks or have contact with known patients. “If we had the ability to test earlier, I’m sure we would have been able to identify patients earlier,” said Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, health officer for Seattle and King County.
Two more confirmed cases in the state were announced on Sunday.


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Jeff Duchin, a public health official for Seattle and King County, Wash.,  answered questions about the first death of a coronavirus patient in America on Saturday. That case was detected after the state laboratory gained the ability to test for the virus.

Jeff Duchin, a public health official for Seattle and King County, Wash., answered questions about the first death of a coronavirus patient in America on Saturday. That case was detected after the state laboratory gained the ability to test for the virus.Credit...Jason Redmond/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
The genomic technique used to compare the viruses is akin to constructing a family tree. “As a virus passes from person to person, there will be errors that occur” as copies of the virus are made, Dr. Bedford said. To explain, he compared the tiny mutations in the genetic sequence to mistakes made during a game of telephone. “Those can link up,” he said.


The first case had one genetic difference from the original virus that was detected in Wuhan. The new case had that mutation, plus three additional ones. More than 125 genomes derived from samples taken from coronavirus patients around the world have been shared among scientists thus far, providing data for the analysis.
In the first case in Washington, the man in his 30s had been traveling in Wuhan, China, and returned home to Snohomish County, Wash., on Jan. 15. He sought medical care a few days later after developing symptoms and suspecting that he might have the coronavirus, officials have said, and tests later came back positive.
Health officials then scrambled to retrace his history, tracking down eight people he had socialized with at a group lunch and 37 more who were in the clinic when he showed up for medical help. They also reached out to people on his flight back to the United States.
But as the man remained in hospital isolation, and then later returned home, officials reported no new cases in Washington state. They tested two dozen people over a span of five weeks, and all came back negative.
That changed this week, when the state laboratory became able to test for the virus. Officials reported two new confirmed cases Friday night, and then more, including the first patient to die of the virus in the United States. They are now working to trace how the cases in the state might be linked, and who else might have been exposed.
Two cases have been detected at a skilled nursing facility in Kirkland, Wash., where officials said dozens of other people also had symptoms that could be a sign of coronavirus infection but could also be symptoms of flu.
Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington has declared a state of emergency, and said officials may need to take steps like canceling sporting events and closing schools to slow the spread of the virus in the community.

Sheri Fink is a correspondent in the investigative unit. She won the 2010 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting and shared the 2015 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. She received her M.D. and Ph.D. from Stanford University.
Edit: FYI Jan 20th was the same day this thread started.
 
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Well, to give some idea of how far NHS preparedness is going, community nurses (the ones who usually make house calls, blood tests and change bandages) have been booked into "Major Incident" training. Major Incident training covers a slew of concepts and scenarios with most in recent years being skewed towards terrorism mass casualties.

I suspect the scenario that will play out as a mass infection outbreak.
 
Yeah, we're about at the point where excessively talking about how many cans of beans you've bought has gotten a bit silly. So fair warning: Any excessive rambling about prepping is probably going to get nuked past here. Please don't effort-post about your beans collection.
If someone really, genuinely wants a prep thread then apparently @Niggaplease started one over here. I don't really think there's even that much to be said about prepping, but if you absolutely must, please go do it over there. All you really need to do is run down some kind of check-list and make sure that you've got more X thing than you'd normally have, make sure any of your medications are in order, and then chop out your stairwell so the zombies can't get you

As the OP, I fully concur. The more people get into prepping, the more they seem to take counsel of their own fears. In the USA, if you've noticed, and I have, things are running normally. Expect things to stay much the same unless this thing turns Biblical, which I doubt. If you would, please take the prepping to Niggaplease's thread. I appreciate it.

If you want to make a difference during this virus, just relax, act normally but prudently, cover sneezes, wash your hands. Be a tower of strength instead of a Chicken Little. "We are all stronger than we think." Am likely more at risk than the vast majority here due to age and health but am just doing my usual stuff. Yes, bought the computer for future need, bought a few extra things, but they'll all be used anyway.

Just go and live life. Look at the number outside China infected and dead compared to the six billion of us. Tends to make odds pretty low, especially if you use some common sense.
 
Prevotella is a normal part of your gut and general body flora. It can get out of hand and is often found in lung infections. This is one reason why why lung damage leads to secondary bacterial infection, and why you often get antibiotics for what started as viral pneumonia. The prevotella is a secondary opportunist. It’s present because the patients have had their immune system knocked and their Normal flora is unbalanced. Like getting thrush after antibiotics, for example. The candida is always there anyway but normal the ecosystem holds it in check.
Bacteria have very different cell membranes to human cells and many internal differences. A virus that infects a mammalian cell does so through specific receptors that bacterial cells may not even have. Bacteria have a totally different type of virus that targets them (‘phage) but as far as I know, a mammalian virus won’t be able to enter a bacterial cell or reproduce in one. I’m happy to be proven wrong on that if anyone has a reference.
The high prevalence of the bacteria in the sewage means people have the shits, and are shedding virus along with all the other stuff.

Exactly. The idea of a phage that also targets mammalian cells is highly abnormal, Andromeda Strain-level nonsense. And yet, that’s exactly what these papers seem to be suggesting. Prevotella is indeed a normal species of gut bacteria, found in everyone’s body. These researchers found tons of it in combination with SARS-CoV-2 virions, and they wrote papers suggesting some manner of symbiotic relationship between prevotella and SARS-CoV-2, where the virus both feeds on and augments the bacteria.

In that paper I quote above, they literally said, and I quote, “The changes in the spike protein may have enabled the virus to infect both bacterial and human cells.”

From this, I made the connection that if this virus were allowed into the environment in large amounts, it might behave like a phage in sewage and survive indefinitely outside the human body, reproducing by eating bacteria in the environment and polluting the whole biosphere with SARS.

If true, it would certainly explain why China’s in a mad rush to incinerate bodies. It would also explain the huge fleets of bleach cannon trucks. It would also explain the lingering illness and apparent “reinfection” of patients. The virus retreats into its colony in gut bacteria, and then reactivates after a while. It never really goes away (unless you blast someone with enough antibiotics to cause C. Diff).
 
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