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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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I see a lot of people smugly regurgitate this, but they don’t consider Corona-chan + flu deaths.
Sure, your health system can, just, manage a bad flu season, but multiply that and you see where the trouble is.
That’s why governments are talking about setting up triage clinics in parking lots.
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Reminder to always mock doomers.
Even if they turn out to be right, they won't be able to gloat about it.
Even if they turn out to be right, they won't be able to gloat about it.
At this point I'm not discounting the possibility of Corona-chan indeed infecting 70% of the population, but by now rational people have noticed that it lasts about a week or two. That high schooler was already feeling better by the time he got the results. It's not going to permeate fast enough for everyone to be infected simultaneously.
Also, the death rate is steadily decreasing as people who aren't in grave condition are actually tested, and their somewhat slower recovery time catches up to the elders who are in noticeably bad shape and die in a matter of days.
Here, I made a chart from worldometers info:
The survival rate is still increasing by roughly .3% per day at nearly a constant rate.
TL;DR: Stop taking statistics at face value. Do a modicum of more research. As a healthy 20-year-old, really the only thing that scares me about getting it is that I'm taking a bunch of tough courses and I'd get fucking quarantined.
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On the question of young people dying, I don't think we have seen the news of the player in the Iranian national soccer team, who died some days ago age 22:
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The Iranian doctor, whose journey I followed earlier, has landed in Frankfurt Airport yesterday. According to a source everybody on the plane was tested and put into quarantine, no new details. I wonder why I didn't find anything about that in the news, since German news give some details normally (age, location of infection, wether persons are quarantined). Did she avoid detection? It is unclear.
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To be fair, I think this is a lot of people. Especially in the US we don't have the cultural memory of truly hard times, and as much as people like their post-apocalyptic vidya and movies they don't treat real collapse or social breakdown seriously. This is reinforced by a media which has practically conditioned us to not worry about anything they say to worry about.
There's a lot of people saying the US would weather this better than China. I emphatically disagree. If anything, both at social and systemic level we are far more vulnerable. IMO the truth is this: we are a hyper scaled-up, centralized, and brittle society. We are strong, but if pushed out of tolerance by a rare event we will break instead of bending, and our social bonds are far too weak to hold us together in real crisis. We are far more atomized, individualistic and narcissistic than our parents' generation. As depraved and repellent as the Chinese may be, and as retarded as their government may be, they have the stomach and organization for harsh, large scale interventions that we simply do not and a more resilient, family-oriented culture.
I'm sorry to be such a downer. For what it's worth, I'm in Seattle and I'm not bugging out yet. But you can bet your ass I'm sitting on 6 months of shelf stable food and I'm gonna be working from home for the next few weeks until either A) it all blows over when the weather warms or B) it doesn't and my dumb bosses get it through their thick boomer skulls that this ain't the damn flu.
Anyway, I hope all kiwis have gone to get a few month's worth of food from the store. As a last resort, Walmart actually is fairly reasonable to buy from online price-wise, and their food stocks still seem to be holding up even if they ship slower than Amazon. Of course when those orders arrive handle the box with care and maybe give it a few days in quarantine. After all it was packed by somebody who didn't have the choice of taking time off of work just for a little cough.
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Not sure if late here but the first death has happened in Australia:
"A Perth man..."
"A Perth man..."
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Not sure about WY. Parts are very close to Salt Lake City. And Cheyenne to Denver. I am agreeing that Alaska would be safest hide out until a vaccine is developed.
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This isn't as insane as it sounds, in fact there is a good reason as to why Italy was one of the first European states to acquire the coronavirus. Italy has no small amount of Chinese sweatshops, using Chinese labor.Sounds legit
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“China's National Health Commission reported 11 new cases of coronavirus outside Hubei province on Monday. Of those, 7 were "imported from Italy," according to local officials”twitter.com
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I have escaped my hidey hole. Though in truth this thread moves at fucking lightning speed.
It is really relatively simple at how they determine a mutation of significance. Different strains have different genomic properties. So what you basically do is amplify the viral DNA and sequence it. You compare that sequence to the original viral sequence. Different genes means a different strain. Basically its how they differentiated this strain of Covid from other strains. Its the same principle. You take the viral genome, break it down and compare it to others. If you know what the genes do and are responsible for, it gives it different properties. Hence, different strain.
Now everyone assumes mutations are bad. This is not the case. A virus can mutate to actually be less virulent. A viral strain may or may not have different properties. For example, with the vast time between incubation periods (14 days to a month), we can reasonably assess that there might be multiple strains at work, one with a shorter incubation period and one with a longer incubation period.
That being said, viruses mutate all the time due to the nature of how they function. And again, you have to remember, this is all random. Evolution is random, not devised. So when a virus infects a host cell and takes over the cellular machinery, viral replication is obviously going to be imperfect. Hence you get mutations. Or one strain begins to adapt to anti-virals and another doesn't.
The most interesting thing is the attack on the ACE receptors. That's pretty unusual for a virus that is mainly focused in the lungs. It does explain why it causes multiple organ failure, but not why it is more common on the secondary infection than the first. ACE inhibitors might work, since you've got the drug competing for receptor sites with the virus. It is possible, but since the side effects of ACE inhibitors on healthy people isn't good, its best to stick with antivirals.
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To fight coronavirus, France urges no more greetings with kisses, bans large gatherings
The French health minister said he is recommending people cut back on "la bise," the custom of giving greetings with kisses, or air kisses, on the cheeks.
Feb. 29, 2020, 7:40 PM EET / Updated March 1, 2020, 12:35 AM EET
By Nicole Acevedo and Nancy Ing
France announced Saturday that it is banning gatherings of more than 5,000 people in confined spaces and recommending that people stop greeting each other with kisses.
The announcement comes as the French government ramps up its efforts to slow the spread of coronavirus after the country reported 16 new cases.
A half-marathon in Paris that was scheduled for Sunday has been canceled and an annual agricultural fair will be closing early. Municipal elections scheduled for March 15 are expected to take place as planned.
French Health Minister Olivier Véran had previously recommended people avoid shaking hands to slow the spread of the virus. But now, he said he is also recommending people to also cut back on “la bise,” the custom in France and some others parts of Europe of giving greetings with kisses, or air kisses, on the cheeks.
The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the country rose to 100, including at least 59 hospitalized patients, 12 recovered patients and two deaths. No new deaths have been reported as of Saturday afternoon, said Verán.
By Nicole Acevedo and Nancy Ing
France announced Saturday that it is banning gatherings of more than 5,000 people in confined spaces and recommending that people stop greeting each other with kisses.
The announcement comes as the French government ramps up its efforts to slow the spread of coronavirus after the country reported 16 new cases.
A half-marathon in Paris that was scheduled for Sunday has been canceled and an annual agricultural fair will be closing early. Municipal elections scheduled for March 15 are expected to take place as planned.
French Health Minister Olivier Véran had previously recommended people avoid shaking hands to slow the spread of the virus. But now, he said he is also recommending people to also cut back on “la bise,” the custom in France and some others parts of Europe of giving greetings with kisses, or air kisses, on the cheeks.
The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the country rose to 100, including at least 59 hospitalized patients, 12 recovered patients and two deaths. No new deaths have been reported as of Saturday afternoon, said Verán.
Great movie, if that's where you got the joke from. If not, go watch Cohen & Tate to kill hour and a half.
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Well I can say from experience that I’ve known of people drinking lab ethanol, which is of course totally fine as long as it’s the 100% pure stuff and you cut it appropriately. The additives like methanol in less pure stuff will do you serious harm and well you know how the Brits are with booze
You sequence samples from patients and look at how those have changed. There’s an entire field of biology dedicated to molecular clock analysis and you can put all your sequences into various computer programs and they will build you a family tree of your sequences (for the media to misinterpret, doing it properly is harder than it looks.) we know roughly how fast different things mutate so the number of mutations tells you roughly about timescales. If you look up phylogenetics, molecular clocks you’ll probably find some stuff about it.
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Actually, now that you mention this I would seriously suggest Utah as a good candidate for building your respective doomsday bunkers to those so inclined. If anybody in the US has the culture required to withstand tough times it is the Mormons, and they practically pioneered the prepper lifestyle as they are directed to store up at least 1 year's worth of food by the church. They have their own organizations which sell this stuff and help people through it.
Having known quite a few they're decent and giving people, even if it is an overgrown cult. Additionally, Utah has an arid and warm climate especially in the south half, tough place for viruses to thrive.
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Sonic survives the pandemic apocalypse and along with Shadow they repopulate the Earth one furry m-preg multi-birth at a time. And they are also both wearing diapers. And being inflated.
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The problem is, as a real wamman, I'd be trapped in the same state as Russell Greer.
Far more dangerous than Corona Chan at this point.
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Got a few more vids for you all:
Two new cases of coronavirus were announced on Friday, bringing Taiwan''s total to 34. The new patients include a man who recently returned from Osaka, and who may be the first person to have brought the virus from Japan to Taiwan. The other case, patient number 34, is a woman in her 50s, who may have caught the virus during an unrelated hospital visit. The sources of both infections are under investigation. Osaka: the second biggest metropolis in Japan, and home to many world-famous tourist sights. The Central Epidemic Command Center says it’s also the source of a new COVID-19 infection in Taiwan. One of the new patients is believed to have caught the virus on a tour to Osaka last week. He developed symptoms only after returning to Taiwan.Chen Shih-chungCentral Epidemic Command CenterPatient #33 is a man in his 30s who was part of a tour group of 22 people who visited Osaka from Feb. 17 to 22. He is being treated in isolation. Looking at his recent movements, it is most likely that he caught the virus in Japan. This is a case that’s come in across the border.Officials continue to investigate all those who may have been in contact with the patient, including family, friends, colleagues and other tour group members. Meanwhile, a woman in her 50s, resident in Northern Taiwan, has also been diagnosed with the infection.Chen Shih-chungCentral Epidemic Command CenterShe has a history of chronic disease. On Feb. 14 she was admitted to the hospital with low blood sugar and whole-body fatigue. Her treatment began on Feb. 14. She hasn’t been abroad recently, so we believe she caught the virus within Taiwan.Chuang Jen-hsiangTaiwan CDCShe may have caught it in the local community or in the hospital. Regarding the hospital possibility, of course we’ll start by conducting tests on the rooms involved and on the health care staff.The new cases bring Taiwan’s count to 34. Nine of those people have already recovered and left the hospital. Officials announced on Friday that the standards for patients to be discharged would be raised. Until now two negative tests have been enough – that will go up to three. The aim is to stop any patients relapsing after being released.
Taiwan''s 40th COVID-19 case was announced on Sunday. The patient was a passenger on the virus-riddled Diamond Princess cruise ship. After she had initially tested positive for the virus, she was hospitalized in Japan. Then, following two subsequent negative results, she was given the green light to return to Taiwan. She had three more tests in Taiwan. The first turned out negative, the second was a borderline result, and the last came out positive. Health Minister Chen Shih-chung says most nations are not familiar with COVID-19 and Taiwan has to remain strict in its testing in order to identify virus-carriers.Chen Shih-chungCentral Epidemic Command CenterThis confirmed case came back to Taiwan a few days ago after having tested positive on the Diamond Princess.Patient No. 40 is a woman in her early 70s living in northern Taiwan. Being onboard the Diamond Princess in January, she tested positive without any respiratory symptoms. After undergoing the required quarantine, she tested negative twice on Feb. 25. On the following day she came back to Taiwan. Now, she’s tested positive again.Chen Shih-chungCentral Epidemic Command CenterThis is in fact a virus that we don’t know much about. As we look at the reports coming out of different countries, we notice changes in its genetic makeup. So while we still have the medical resources now, we won’t release her from the hospital unless we get three negative results.The woman was placed in a negative pressure isolation ward upon her return. She tested negative initially. The second test showed a borderline result and the third turned out positive.Chang Shan-chwenCentral Epidemic Command CenterFrom both our own cases and reports of other countries, we’ve discovered that the confirmed cases, after being hospitalized, might turn out negative, but afterwards sometimes they’ll test positive. So basically we have several possibilities: one is the scope of the sample for testing. Sometimes when the sample is not large enough, the paper strip may or may not pick up the virus. The other possibility is, of course, the later you test for the virus in a patient, the person will have a smaller dose of the virus. Despite flying back on a commercial flight, the woman was isolated in the cabin, and all those who came into contact with her were well protected. So no one underwent quarantine. As for her husband who also went on the cruise with her, he is still under quarantine in Japan.
As more and more people are required to be quarantined, the Taipei City Government has introduced epidemic-prevention hotels that provide accommodation for those placed on a quarantine watch list. These hotels are staffed around-the-clock, as they keep tabs on their occupants and deliver meals to rooms. However, staff do not come into direct contact with guests. Two hotels have already joined the program and have more than 20 occupants, while two more hotels will soon come aboard. But some people are leery of the whole operation, fearing potential accidents from the hotels'' management. A city government official came out on Sunday to reassure the public, saying that a whole set of SOPs has been established.With the number of COVID-19 cases on the rise and tighter controls put on the nation’s borders, more and more people are being placed in quarantine. The Taipei City Government has taken the lead to work with hoteliers. They came up with the idea of epidemic-prevention hotels.Liu Yi-tingCommissioner, Taipei Tourism Dept.We now have two epidemic-prevention hotels that have about 40 rooms altogether. They’re meant for returning Taiwan nationals, those that need to be quarantined at home who don’t have any symptoms. The hotels are designed for those who have to undergo the 14-day quarantine but don’t have a place to stay in. However, to check into one, a person has to be in good health and not have a fever. Liu Yi-tingCommissioner, Taipei Tourism Dept.Travelers will disinfect and clean their rooms themselves. We have SOPs ranging from food delivery to garbage disposal. All the operations have been standardized and will be carried out accordingly.While public opinion remains divided over the plan, the city government’s program is still being carried out. Since it began on Feb. 21, more than 20 people have checked into the two establishments, and the government is currently overseeing the preparation work for two more epidemic-prevention hotels. All this effort is to prevent potential virus-carriers from roaming about and to increase epidemic prevention measures.
With COVID-19 on the rampage, companies and government agencies in Taiwan are making advance preparations in public transport.The Taipei MRT has begun trials of a sensing system involving infrared thermography.If the temperature of a passenger entering an MRT station exceeds 37.5 degrees, their ear temperature will then be tested. If it exceeds 38 degrees, the passenger will be advised to seek medical attention. The first phase will begin in mid-March, when infrared cameras will be installed at the airport, Taipei Main Station and other places where there are large flows of people. The Taiwan High Speed Rail Corporation has also bought 24 sets of the equipment, hoping to install 10 before the end of March.
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In the Netherlands cases are increasing day by day, but everything is hunky dory. Apparently racism and harsh words online are far more lethal and most people here are treating it as a far from my bed show. When didt the Dutchies become so complacent that taking your own shopping bag to the supermarket is more noteworthy news than a looming epidemic. But oh no please think of the poor refugees and the climate, and please dont be such a downer. Sorry bit of a rant, but to be so naive that it couldnt be more than a headache is annoying the shit out of me.
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I'm the designated "pandemic manager" of the fruit and veg department of a food company. We have a standardized pandemic action plan, which involves really basic things like reminding people to wash their hands, disinfecting door handles and giving out masks to workers in direct contact with the veggies. In late January I asked my boss if we should buy masks, because the ones we have on stock are useless surgical masks which expired in 2015. This cliche of a boomer (who is currently on a cruise btw) laughed in my face bc of course it's just the flu bro. Fast forward to last week, when we had the first Corona case in town and they're all freaking out and I spent two full days calling 100+ drug stores, just to be told there are no masks left. We ended up buying more useless dust masks from a hardware shop.
Today we got an email from our corporate Corona Chan task force, and apparently their main agenda is to "combat stigmatization and discrimination of people who may be at risk of infection."
This is how well prepared the people in charge are. We're fucked lol
Today we got an email from our corporate Corona Chan task force, and apparently their main agenda is to "combat stigmatization and discrimination of people who may be at risk of infection."
This is how well prepared the people in charge are. We're fucked lol
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Serious question : how does the Muslim faith view cremation of bodies? Is this how they'll dispose of infected corpses or will it be digging massive pit time?
Serious thought : I wish I could work from home =\
Serious thought : I wish I could work from home =\
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Just heard this on the Russian news, and checked it on the NHK: apparently, some asthma drugs can help for pneumonia caused by the virus:
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200303_20/
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200303_20/
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