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I'm starting to actually hate Bill Mitchell. How many people actually think like this? Are people seriously starting to trust the CCP because of the virus? Didn't his God-Emperor campaign on "China bad"?
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This guy's on the spicy crack. Even before he got on the Pence Squad, a couple of media places I listen to got Fauci on for some long talks about the development of the outbreak and he was nothing if not level-headed.
 

Midtown Lawyer Positive for Coronavirus Is NY’s 1st Case of Person-to-Person Spread
New York now has two confirmed cases of coronavirus; now health officials are working to trace the man's movements to see who else may have been exposed to risk

An attorney who lives in Westchester County and works in midtown Manhattan is New York state's second confirmed coronavirus case -- and the first apparent instance of community spread, the governor said Tuesday.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo said an initial review of the 50-year-old man's travels doesn't suggest any travel to China or other countries at the nexus of the outbreak, so authorities are treating it as a case of person-to-person spread.

The man, who is from New Rochelle and has an underlying respiratory illness, first experienced respiratory issues late last month and they recently intensified. He was diagnosed at a hospital in the city on Monday, the first day the city was able to conduct such rapid testing locally, Mayor Bill de Blasio added. The man remains hospitalized in serious condition in Manhattan and de Blasio said Tuesday there is severe concern for him.

He did develop some symptoms in late February. He has been with his family in Westchester, so health officials are testing relatives and assessing others for potential risk.

At this point, authorities are working to trace his movements, whether he used mass transit or other public offerings. He has two sons with connections to New York City, de Blasio said. One has been asymptomatic and one has reported some; both have been isolated and are being tested. Authorities are also coordinating with their schools to evaluate potential contacts. The city is also testing seven people at the man's law firm.

One of his sons is a student at Yeshiva University -- it is unclear if he is the one who has reported having some symptoms or the one who is asymptomatic. In a statement, the school put out an update to provide the university community with the latest information.

"We have learned that one of the children of the Westchester attorney identified as New York’s second case of COVID-19 is an undergraduate male student at Yeshiva University. We are working closely with, and following the recommendations of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOHMH) and the Office of Emergency Preparedness and Response and other government agencies to take every necessary precaution to ensure the safety of our community," Yeshiva University said.

Yeshiva University said that the student has not been on campus since Feb. 27 and is in quarantine with his family. They are disinfecting all relevant common areas.

Additionally, the university said that a Cardozo School of Law student is also "in self-quarantine as instructed by their doctor, as a precaution because of contact with the patient's law firm. The Cardozo student is reporting no symptoms."

The university said that all functions and classes are continuing to operate as usual.


The lawyer's son is in self-quarantine but was on the Yeshiva University campus up until February 27. The university has not cancelled classes.
 
The problem with all the conspiracy theory stuff is that the opponents say that our governments wouldn't lie to us and the theorists claim that they are. But whilst of course of governments would lie to us (they just wouldn't call it lying), that doesn't mean they are.

people are dumb. that includes most of us (here come the ratings). having information and knowing how to use it/what to make of it are 2 different things. for example early on in the thread when the bioweapon idea was still floating around, it was pointed out that the purpose is not to kill all your enemies (because it has a good chance to fuck you over too), but to incapacitate them. it's an easy victory when the majority of the enemy troops are puking their guts out and shitting blood, you can wave any command structure goodbye. same thing here - and arguably worse, because the civilian population isn't drilled for it and doesn't have rigid hierarchy to follow the policies and procedures, if they even know or care about it in the first place.
so yes, governments only tell you what the average citizen needs to know. because the minutes they say "well, it's a pandemic" half of them will look it up on their phones and shit their pants, the other half will shit their pants regardless because they heard a scary word and all hell breaks loose. and it also means the population of other countries.
in the end they have to care (somewhat) about the population at large and how it's affected on a grand scale with a carefully measured response, that's why OMG TRUMP SHOULD'VE ISOLATED THE COUNTRY THE MINUTE SOMEONE COUGHED IN CHINA posts are beyond retarded.

and yes, you could argue that there is personal gain involved (it always is), but do you really want trump to lose his second term because he was too "honest" and "proactive" and put some of those DNC speds in charge? fuck no

dude's also a germaphobe, he's clenching his buttcheeks harder every time someone coughs around him than most here ever will, so there's that too

So my logic is that either (a) it's harder to work out its contagiousness / dangerousness than a lay person like me thinks; (b) our governments are aware it's not that bad but are afraid of looking like they're not doing anything or being blamed for it if they underestimate things and are over-reacting despite knowing it's not that big a deal; or (c) Corona-chan really is Bad News and they're downplaying it to keep people and the markets calm.

we only know what we don't know. different strains as mentioned seem plausible with the different behavior and how people are affected. all we can look at the timeline of china: shit started apparently end of october/november and only exploded really january/december, and no one knows the current state thanks to china. given shit in the west only started mid/end of february it will probably take till end of march/early april till we have a better picture. so things are gonna get worse (but I'm a pessimist anyway).

mortality is probably even harder to nail down with all the factors involved. so the only thing you can do (and what they can tell you) is minimize risk of exposure and try not to infect others if you suspect you're affected - which is what common sense would tell you, but we've seen how that worked out.
even if it only kills 2% or lower - why risk being one of the lucky winners?
 
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If China was actually telling the truth about the sharp drop in cases being a positive thing (virus plateauing), they would be advertising it with pride so they can start gaining market confidence again and showing the rest of the world China numba wan!. The fact they been pretty much in the dark for the past month tells me things are just as bad as ever possibly even worse.
 
thanks to the horrible leadership from our government and CDC. The lot of them should be fired.

What's the 10th amendment? State sovereignty?
Neither the CDC nor the Federal government has an control over local disaster response.
Now complain about the Governors of the states botching your perfect dream of what should be happening.
 
If China was actually telling the truth about the sharp drop in cases being a positive thing (virus plateauing), they would be advertising it with pride so they can start gaining market confidence again and showing the rest of the world China numba wan!. The fact they been pretty much in the dark for the past month tells me things are just as bad as ever possibly even worse.
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(probably dumb) Question about travel bans: right now the China travel advisory warning in the States is at level 4, "do not travel." Does that mean airlines should not be/are not selling tickets to China anymore, etc.? Or that the gov't is simply banning the public from travelling there?

I ask bc my professor cancelled class today as many teachers do right before Spring break and I'm wondering if she would be going there to visit family lolll

So...the way the State Department puts it is that any country that says "do not travel" doesn't mean they're outright banned. You can still go there, but doing so will be at your own risk. Airlines will still sell a ticket. If a country was outright banned, then the state department would say so...even then it's easy to circumvent it
 
I'm a certifiable nut, but even I have faith that the electronic banking system isn't going anywhere soon.

banking system doesn't help you if the internet is down/power is out and stores only accept cash. it's also difficult to just trade, hardly anyone will accept the promise you'll wire him the money later. sure, you could always hit an atm, but again those need power and more importantly need to be re-filled. they don't print the money. over here one branch closed it's ATMs after a robbery, which meant everyone had to go to the other and it still emptied out ATMs over a month later just by the increased demand. point is, all your money doesn't mean much when it's a stored digitally on a server farm.

but then I'm 100% boomer when it comes to cash, I even hate paying with my card, so take that as you will.

Had to pick some paper up for a project. Even Fucking Office Depot is sold out of sanitizer and cleaning products. I can just imagine the desperation of anyone who would pay five bucks and change for something they could have bought for a couple of bucks at a grocery or a dollar at the dollar store had they paid attention. Invest in sanitizer futures, I guess.

my report from the (store)front: water was almost completely gone, not even empty pallets. empty shelves for TP. canned goods and frozen pizza (of course) have been hit hard.
interestingly, all the special shelves were completely empty too. if you ever been to a discounter, they tend to sell a variety of stuff for a few days only (like "french week" and you can get a lot of french stuff outside france etc.). not even price tags, so I doubt they've been picked clean. no idea if that means their supply trucks focus more on the high demand stuff or they simply don't have enough (either trucks or goods, although those aren't made in china).
 
This guy's on the spicy crack. Even before he got on the Pence Squad, a couple of media places I listen to got Fauci on for some long talks about the development of the outbreak and he was nothing if not level-headed.
To be fair to Billy, the moment someone worked out that they could stick it to Orange Man the MSM has been pushing the black pill hard enough to make Mister Metokur proud. It's amazing how they were saying "it's just a flu bro" while this thread and /pol/ were going full doomer, and now it's the opposite.
 
The United States DOES NOT require people who die of pneumonia to have the microbe identified - in fact almost all cases of pneumonia the death is attributed of course to pneumonia but the microbe is seldom identified.

So right now people in the USA are dying of pneumonia and many of them may be from this virus - but because they don't have to test for the cause, they will go to cremation and burial without knowing what caused it.

So be sure, the death toll is MUCH higher than reported because the CDC is not asking people with pneumonia to be tested for Covid-19.

Cases are soaring - it's whether or not the CDC will ask all cases to be identified - which I think they wont.
 
I knew we were fucked when that pozzed dude showed up in Everett.
I don't understand, 0% and 0.2% for ages 0-9 and 10-19 respectively? I thought everywhere I read about the virus that it was deadly for the elderly AND children?
There were babies reported early on, ill mothers who gave birth in quarantine. Maybe backtracking this thread to the early days might shake it out. I recall reading where one died. Children have often been recorded as asymptomatic, but I would wonder if they aren't still getting some damage- ie chinese kid whose family all got it severely and he didn't, but on imaging was shown to have the cobwebbed lungs of coronachan.

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All the deaths so far have been in a solid blue state.
It's as blue as Illinois, which means not really once you leave the large exceptional city that dominates the state. You'd be surprised at how reasonable most of us are outside those counties.
 
Cases are soaring - it's whether or not the CDC will ask all cases to be identified - which I think they wont.
bigger question is if it's even viable to do so. kits don't come free and tests take time. which means there's probably quite a few people carrying it with mild or no symptoms at all without being aware of it, who later recovered, and people who died because of it directly or indirectly.

numbers are fucked all over the place.
 
The United States DOES NOT require people who die of pneumonia to have the microbe identified - in fact almost all cases of pneumonia the death is attributed of course to pneumonia but the microbe is seldom identified.

So right now people in the USA are dying of pneumonia and many of them may be from this virus - but because they don't have to test for the cause, they will go to cremation and burial without knowing what caused it.

So be sure, the death toll is MUCH higher than reported because the CDC is not asking people with pneumonia to be tested for Covid-19.

Cases are soaring - it's whether or not the CDC will ask all cases to be identified - which I think they wont.
which is fucking stupid because you can determine which best route of treatment to take.
Bacterial pneumonia can clear up in about a few days if your pumped full of antibiotics and fluids if you end up hospitilized. About a week on regular antibiotic pills and rest in less lethal cases.
Fungi take a bit more time but it never exceeds 3 weeks to get out of your system if your no longer exposed to it. Common cause is black mold.
Viral you pretty much have two weeks to get better or worse and it can drain you so that your on your ass for a month.
I know it's impossible to test everyone in who goes in the er with severe respitory issues but you'd think if they are showing signs of pneumonia they'd actually test.
 
I'm starting to actually hate Bill Mitchell. How many people actually think like this? Are people seriously starting to trust the CCP because of the virus? Didn't his God-Emperor campaign on "China bad"?
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He's a boomer who believes in guilt by association when it came to someone who once interviewed a pair of Neo-Nazis.

Of course he's batshit insane enough to take the CCP's word for it.
 
He's a boomer who believes in guilt by association when it came to someone who once interviewed a pair of Neo-Nazis.

Of course he's batshit insane enough to take the CCP's word for it.
Yes the same country who tried to cover up the fact they poisoned their formula and dairy because they wanted to cut corners.
 
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