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There seem to be two strains, a mild one and a really nasty virulent one, I wonder if the mild one will protect against the really bad strain.
And also what the distribution of mild symptoms/severe is with both strains. Is there a much lower proportion of mild symptoms people with the worse strain or is almost everyone with the bad strain much sicker and vice versa? Are both circulating in all countries?
Let’s hope the mild one protects against the worse. However, nature does some weird shot sometimes. There is a phenomenon called antibody dependent enhancement in which the initial infection with one strain of a disease primes the body to react very badly to reinfection. This happens with dengue:https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111221151713.htm
http://archive.is/WEhDq such that reinfection with a second strain of dengue can often be fatal.
Cheery thoughts, for this Wednesday evening.
 
As coronavirus spreads, the people who prepare your food probably don’t have paid sick leave
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Kimberly Kindy
March 4, 2020 at 8:08 p.m. GMT+1

When Detroit restaurant chef Nik Cole gets sick, she pops a few vitamin C tablets, heads into work and then tops it off with Alka-Seltzer Plus so she can power through her day.
She is one of nearly 7 million food service workers in the United States who is forced to go without pay if she is too sick to work. Although 75 percent of Americans receive some paid sick days, government and industry data show that only 25 percent of food service workers have such benefits.
“I would have to have a fever and be really weak in order to call off for work,” said Cole, 40, who has worked in food service for 15 years and has never had paid sick leave. “If you aren’t here, you don’t get paid. And there is no way for you to really make up the hours.”

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says one in five workers have reported working at least once in the previous year while sick with vomiting or diarrhea.

As the threat of the coronavirus grows in the United States, public health experts are concerned about it being spread by sickened food service workers who prepare, serve and deliver a significant share of the meals consumers eat each day.
Americans depend heavily on food service workers. Half of all the money spent on food in the United States is for meals prepared in restaurants, cafeterias, food trucks and delis, according to Technomic, a restaurant industry research group. That amounts to about one-quarter of all meals Americans consume.

Our lack of paid sick leave will make the coronavirus worse

The food service industry is already wrestling with the long-standing threat of another disease called norovirus, which causes nearly 60 percent of all foodborne illness outbreaks. Of the reported outbreaks, 70 percent are caused by infected food workers, the CDC says.

The methods used to reduce the spread of norovirus during food preparation are the same as they are for coronavirus: sanitizing surfaces, proper and frequent hand washing, coughing into an elbow instead of a hand.
But those procedures are either not being properly followed or they don’t always work. The norovirus annually causes millions of people to develop gastrointestinal problems, with thousands hospitalized and hundreds dying.

Benjamin Chapman, a food safety expert at North Carolina State University who studies norovirus and other foodborne diseases, said the good news for consumers is that coronavirus is much easier to kill with standard sanitation products and procedures.
“Norovirus is very resistant to disinfection,” Chapman said. “It can persist for months in labs.” Coronavirus, on the other hand, dies within two to nine days, preliminary research shows.

Cole, the head chef at a vegan restaurant called the Kitchen, is trying to set an example of proper sanitation for other employees. She said she routinely sprays surfaces with Lysol, frequently washes her hands and uses hand sanitizer.

Cole said customers can also infect food workers, so a hand-washing station and a bottle of hand sanitizer is located at the front of the restaurant. “We can’t afford to get sick as employees — please wash your hands, too!” she said in a phone interview from the restaurant.
The National Restaurant Association has renewed efforts to reeducate workers about safe food-handling procedures in response to the coronavirus outbreak. Industry research groups say that the virus has not affected business, except in some regions that specialize in Asian cuisine.
“Even if we were to have some social disruption of some kind, people will continue to eat,” said David Portalatin, a food industry adviser with the NPD Group, a market research group. “We may see what happened in China, where food delivery increased by 20 percent.”

Consumer trends show that Americans have grown increasingly comfortable with having meals regularly delivered to their homes.
For example, Grubhub, which delivers meals from takeout and full-service restaurants to customers’ homes, experienced explosive growth in recent years. From 2014 to 2019, the company said it went from delivering at least one meal a year to 5 million people to delivering at least one meal a year to 22.6 million people.

Here’s what economists say the U.S. and other nations should do to avoid a coronavirus recession

The restaurant industry plays a large role in the U.S. economy. It employs about 10 percent of the private sector workforce in about 615,000 restaurants around the country.
The National Restaurant Association said the potent threat of the coronavirus — and the tight intersection between American consumers and the food service industry — may fuel a movement to provide more workers with paid sick days.

“Coronavirus has a unique quarantine and recovery period that transcends the traditional policy debates surrounding paid sick leave,” said Vanessa Sink, spokeswoman for the association. “Tackling this challenge will require that employees, businesses and government officials come together and follow proven procedures to protect the health of employees, customers and communities.”
New research shows that laws requiring businesses to offer paid sick days to service workers may help. Two Cornell University researchers published a report last month that revealed that influenza infection rates dropped by 11 percent in the first year after legislatures in 10 states required employers to offer paid sick leave.
“All these arguments that employees take advantage of it and become lazy — we see no evidence of that,” said Nicolas Ziebarth, an economist and associate professor of human ecology at Cornell, who co-wrote the report. “They took an average of two days of paid sick leave after they had earned it. That is not a crazy amount of sick leave in a year. They are not shirking.”

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) introduced legislation last year that would require all businesses with 15 or more employees to give their workers an opportunity to earn up to seven days a year of paid sick leave. The sick days could be used to recover from an illness, get preventive care, tend to a sick family member or attend meetings related to the health or disability of a child.
Her legislation did not get any traction — but that was before the coronavirus struck. Like the National Restaurant Association, Murray thinks the growing threat of deadly disease may change things.
“This virus is so highly contagious, it is everyone’s problem . . . not just service workers,” she said in an interview. “Everybody gets hurt.”

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Workers who cannot afford to stop working while they are sick are going to be a huge problem to stop the spread of the virus.

At least I hope they wash their hands properly.
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New York City

Update from what I posted yesterday: the Yeshiva student was officially diagnosed.

Yeshiva University cancels classes after student diagnosed with coronavirus

Students at Yeshiva University’s Washington Heights campus were rattled Wednesday morning by news that an undergrad has been confirmed to have the coronavirus.

“I am a little bit worried. I’m just trying to stay off campus as much as possible,” a 23-year-old student who identified himself only as Noah told The Post.

“I’m not sure there is a plan in place, but they canceled classes today. I think it’s an appropriate precaution,” he added.

Adam Bressler, 22, a pre-med biology student, said the “story is unfolding.”

“We are getting a lot of updates. I had a midterm today but it’s been pushed until Monday,” he said.

Another student at the Wilf campus on West 185th Street said the dean had made an announcement that “the campus is safe and no one should be worried about transmission, but they canceled classes so no one feels uncomfortable sitting in classes.”

A fourth student said the ailing undergraduate “said he was just experiencing cold symptoms. He is a really mild case. He wanted people to focus on his father,” referring to Midtown attorney Lawrence Garbuz, 50, who is hospitalized in Manhattan.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo earlier Wednesday announced that Garbuz’s son, 14-year-old daughter, wife and neighbor have been diagnosed with COVID-19.

Yeshiva announced that it canceled all classes at the Wilf campus.

Two people who had contact with the student also were taken to Bellevue Hospital for testing, Mayor Bill de Blasio said in a statement.

One male student wearing a mask and hood was seen being escorted by two EMTs in protective gear to an FDNY ambulance.
 
Los Angeles County reports 6 new cases of coronavirus, declares state of emergency
Los Angeles County Officials Make Coronavirus Announcement | NBC News (Live Stream)​
Tldr: Racial stigma smthing smthing ... condemn all discrimination ...​

I was kind of surprised the Democrats of Los Angeles allowed a Republican to speak first.
That's a rarity.
 
And also what the distribution of mild symptoms/severe is with both strains. Is there a much lower proportion of mild symptoms people with the worse strain or is almost everyone with the bad strain much sicker and vice versa? Are both circulating in all countries?
Let’s hope the mild one protects against the worse. However, nature does some weird shot sometimes. There is a phenomenon called antibody dependent enhancement in which the initial infection with one strain of a disease primes the body to react very badly to reinfection. This happens with dengue:https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111221151713.htm
http://archive.li/WEhDq such that reinfection with a second strain of dengue can often be fatal.
Cheery thoughts, for this Wednesday evening.
You reminded me of hemorrhagic dengue fever, it makes WuFlu look good by comparison.
 
I was kind of surprised the Democrats of Los Angeles allowed a Republican to speak first.
That's a rarity.
Remember everyone telling California that having unfettered immigration and hobos living and defecating in the streets was going cause a plague and being called Nazis and bigots in response? Is it time for a smug "I told you so"?
 
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This fake coughing trend is pretty weird.
It's not weird, it is fucking stupid. That video of the black guy beating the shit out of that chinese lady on the New York subway was widley reported. you'd think these fucking morons would see that and think, "Huh... Maybe I shouldn't fake cough just to see what people will do. Might be a bad idea..."

People are fucking terrified, and you could very easily provoke a physical attack by being a fucking retard and ACTING SICK ON PURPOSE BECAUSE MUH FUCKIN' RACISM.
 
Remember everyone telling California that having unfettered immigration and hobos living and defecating in the streets was going cause a plague and being called Nazis and bigots in response? Is it time for a smug "I told you so"?

I'm surprised they weren't petty enough to kick her out of the group for the live press conference. :biggrin:

Global Health Security Index has published its latest on responce to pandemics, epidemics etc and UK NUMBA WAN

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For actually fighting the damn thing.


How angry is China over not being NUMBAH ONE?
 
It's not weird, it is fucking stupid. That video of the black guy beating the shit out of that chinese lady on the New York subway was widley reported. you'd think these fucking morons would see that and think, "Huh... Maybe I shouldn't fake cough just to see what people will do. Might be a bad idea..."

People are fucking terrified, and you could very easily provoke a physical attack by being a fucking exceptional individual and ACTING SICK ON PURPOSE BECAUSE MUH FUCKIN' RACISM.
It's like that girl that was killed in Morningside Heights, they believe black people would never hurt them because they're allies or something. Wishful liberal magical thing.
 
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This fake coughing trend is pretty weird.
It's not weird, it is fucking stupid. That video of the black guy beating the shit out of that chinese lady on the New York subway was widley reported. you'd think these fucking morons would see that and think, "Huh... Maybe I shouldn't fake cough just to see what people will do. Might be a bad idea..."

People are fucking terrified, and you could very easily provoke a physical attack by being a fucking exceptional individual and ACTING SICK ON PURPOSE BECAUSE MUH FUCKIN' RACISM.
Think it’s a lot more likely that she was targeted because she’s a fat piggy, Asian women’s hatred for fatties and other asians can only match their lusting for BWC


Lol
 
It's not weird, it is fucking stupid. That video of the black guy beating the shit out of that chinese lady on the New York subway was widley reported. you'd think these fucking morons would see that and think, "Huh... Maybe I shouldn't fake cough just to see what people will do. Might be a bad idea..."

People are fucking terrified, and you could very easily provoke a physical attack by being a fucking exceptional individual and ACTING SICK ON PURPOSE BECAUSE MUH FUCKIN' RACISM.

Gotta respect black people for smackin fools.
 
It's like that girl that was killed in Morningside Heights, they believe black people would never hurt them because they're allies or something. Wishful liberal magical thing.
No, it's that they think no one would hurt them. They think racism and pain are online mean words. All it will take is one of these dumbfucks getting punched in the head, if they're lucky, or beaten into a coma or worse.
 
Didn't it come out that the source map for the SO2 spike around Wuhan was a computer model rather than live data?

It did, (NASA’s GEOS model is not real-time; it takes a long damn time for one climate satellite to do cloud scans of an entire planet, like a couple years of orbiting) but tell that to the Chinese. They probably think it’s real-time, too, and worth hiding crematorium emissions over.

Misinformation doesn’t just affect the little people and what we do. It also affects government decisions.

What kinda fucking drugs are you on and what's your dealer's number. First you get the flu, then much like with the regular flu you might get pneumonia, and that's it. Hell this one causes more inflamation but less mucous than the flu so compared to it there's LESS of a chance of pneumonia (but more of a chance of diarrhea
... get water and antacids, for real.) Everything else on that list you just oulled out of your ass.

Not true. I did not pull everything else on that list out of my ass. I researched it very, very thoroughly.

First, the myocarditis precipitating kidney failure. This is a rare complication more often seen in the elderly, but it does happen. Here, a critical care handbook has been published that goes into great detail about the virus and the complications:


That’s a good one, right there. It goes into great detail and covers all the various aspects of the disease, and even gives us a handy-dandy timeline.

This is the important passage, right here:

  • COVID-19 does commonly cause troponin elevations (which generally will not represent type-I myocardial infarctions).
  • Ruan 3/3/20 reported that ~7% of patients die of fulminant myocarditis. This may also be a contributing factor in ~33% of deaths.
  • Troponin elevation seems to be a strong prognostic indicator for mortality (see prognosis section below). It's unclear to what extent this represents cardiac involvement causing death versus troponin merely being an indicator of severe global illness placing stress on the heart. Elevated troponin levels correlate with mortality across a variety of critical illnesses.

Huh, interesting. Wonder if there are any sources supporting this finding of myocarditis in COVID-19 patients? Well, turns out, there are.


The first reported death was a 61-year-old male, with a long history of smoking, who succumbed to acute respiratory distress, heart failure, and cardiac arrest
• Early, unpublished first-hand reports suggest at least some patients develop myocarditis

Let’s see what myocarditis can do:


Myocarditis correlates with Acute Kidney Injury. This, of course, is why some of those elderly patients in Wuhan dying of COVID-19 needed dialysis. The sepsis and heart muscle infection put so much shit in their bloodstream, their kidneys couldn’t handle it (this is why I recommended CytoSorb; it could mop up the excess cytokines and myoglobin and take stress off the kidneys).

The other thing is the hypoxemia caused by ARDS. These people’s blood O2 levels are dropping to the 60 to 70% range. That’s enough to cause organ damage on its own, including kidney damage (as well as all the other highly vascularized organs that need a good blood supply, like the liver, brain... hell, all the vital organs; this isn’t rocket science, we need oxygenated blood to live).

So, you have multiple factors insulting the kidneys. Yes, insulting is the technical term. When you drink alcohol, it insults the brain, causing inflammation. Similarly, the kidneys are insulted by excess blood myoglobin (from the myocarditis), excess blood cytokines, and the hypoxemia from the ARDS. It’s not just one thing. It’s multiple factors conspiring to attack the kidneys of COVID-19 victims.

Now, as for the neurological symptoms... well... shit.

First of all, people are going down with this. I mean, they are collapsing and going rigid from head to toe with seizures.





Secondly, papers are emerging which indicate that the virus can attack the human brain stem, specifically the medulla. In mouse studies of hACE2 transgenic mice, the related SARS-CoV virus could pass through the olfactory bulb and the cribriform plate, and enter the brain through that pathway, as well (this is identical to how naegleria fowleri amoeba enter the brain; if you sniff hard enough for aerosolized SARS-CoV-2 to touch your olfactory nerve, it could enter your brain through that path, possibly). Oddly enough, no matter the route (rising up through the nerves of the lungs or entering through the olfactory bulb), the virus seems to preferentially attack the brain stem.


Herein, we use these mice to show that virus enters the brain primarily via the olfactory bulb, and infection results in rapid, transneuronal spread to connected areas of the brain. This extensive neuronal infection is the main cause of death because intracranial inoculation with low doses of virus results in a uniformly lethal disease even though little infection is detected in the lungs. Death of the animal likely results from dysfunction and/or death of infected neurons, especially those located in cardiorespiratory centers in the medulla. Remarkably, the virus induces minimal cellular infiltration in the brain. Our results show that neurons are a highly susceptible target for SARS-CoV and that only the absence of the host cell receptor prevents severe murine brain disease.


The infection of SARS-CoV has been reported in the brains from both patients and experimental animals, where the brainstem was heavily infected. Furthermore, some coronaviruses have been demonstrated able to spread via a synapse-connected route to the medullary cardiorespiratory center from the mechano- and chemoreceptors in the lung and lower respiratory airways. In light of the high similarity between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV2, it is quite likely that the potential invasion of SARS-CoV2 is partially responsible for the acute respiratory failure of COVID-19 patients.

Put these two factors together. People mysteriously collapsing and suffering seizures, check. Peer-reviewed papers indicating possible infection of the brain stem, check.

This is very concerning and needs to be followed up on in great detail.

Some sources mention the R0 is around 2 to 3. Well, in places other than China, it may very well be. Except in Wuhan, it was around 6.6. What people don’t realize, and what they don’t often talk about because of how politically-incorrect it is, is that China is fucking disgusting and their industrial safety and building codes are nonexistent.

You literally drink coliform bacteria and industrial runoff every time you turn on the tap in Wuhan. You think Flint, Michigan is bad? Oh boy. Try drinking other people’s virus-laden poop for a little perspective.


I once tested my own tap water at my home with a TDS meter and it read <50 ppm of dissolved solids. That’s like filtered water. And you know what? A lot of Americans will take this water and filter it AGAIN. We use Brita pitchers and shit like that.

Most of us ain’t getting sick from our water.

Also lol @"virus bacteria symbiote" that's not even close to symbiosis. It's a bacterioFAGE the name says it all, it KILLS bacteria.

Some studies indicated that it could have a symbiotic relationship with prevotella bacteria while inside the body. It suppresses the immune system in such a way that your own gut bacteria grows out of control (kinda similar to clostridium difficile and other syndromes caused by microbiome imbalances), and then, the virus, somehow, feasts on the bacteria that it helped grow out of control.

https://osf.io/ktngw/

I’m not sure how much I trust that paper. The guys who wrote it seemed to have low confidence in their results (not very reassuring when some bioscience guy says “lol is this a sequencing artifact with my PCR machine?”), and the idea of a virus that infects both eukaryotic cells and bacteria is a bit of a stretch. It’s still worth investigating, though. It’d be easy to test for. Just put SARS-CoV-2 on a Petri dish next to some bacteria and see what it does.

If it can infect both eukaryotic cells and bacteria, that is extraordinarily bad. Imagine a COVID-19 victim decomposing in the ground, and the virus in their body going down, down, down, and hitting the water table, and then eating the bacteria there and filling all that clean water with deadly coronavirus.

Why are the Chinese immediately incinerating the bodies?

Why are they spraying bleach everywhere with tank truck after tank truck after tank truck?


What do they know that we do not?

By the way, I just had an MIT scientist with a PhD tell me over email that I, quote unquote, did “A very impressive job of rounding up information.”

So no, I’m not just talking out of my ass. This is some serious shit.
 
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Think it’s a lot more likely that she was targeted because she’s a fat piggy, Asian women’s hatred for fatties and other asians can only match their lusting for BWC


Lol
It's KOH IRL. Go plant some roses Min.
 
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