US Super Tuesday discussion and results


Live voting results: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/03/us/elections/live-analysis-super-tuesday.html

Polls close in Vermont and Virginia at 4pm PST/7pm EST, North Carolina at 4:30pm PST/7:30pm EST, Tennessee, Maine, Texas, Alabama, Massachusetts, and Oklahoma at 5pm PST/8pm EST, and in Arkansas at 5:30pm PST/8:30pm EST. Polls close in Colorado and Minnesota at 6pm PST/9pm EST, in Utah at 7pm EST/10pm EST, and in California at 8pm PST/11 p.m. ET.

Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders
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Michael Bloomberg
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Elizabeth Warren

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The first day of the Democratic contest that really matters for the cold, hard delegate math — Super Tuesday — is almost here.

Tuesday, March 3, will be enormously important because it’s the first day that a lot of the delegates necessary to win the nomination are at stake, and the biggest delegate day overall. A total of 14 states and one territory — including California and Texas, the two most populous states in the country — will hold their primaries or caucuses.

Candidates are competing for about a third of the overall delegates at stake. Those 1,344 delegates allocated on Super Tuesday could effectively settle the race, if one candidate locks down a gigantic lead that will be nearly impossible for anyone else to overcome. The candidate with the best chance of doing that is Sen. Bernie Sanders — his current lead in the polls indicates he can theoretically rack up enough plurality wins in a crowded field to clean up in delegates.

But it’s also possible that Super Tuesday’s delegate haul ends up split among several candidates, with no one having gotten anywhere close to being on track for a majority. That may well mean Democrats are headed to a contested convention.

Whether we’re headed for one of these outcomes (or something in between) depends to a significant extent on Democrats’ complicated delegate allocation rules.


Broadly, delegates are allotted proportionally based on candidates’ performance — the better you do, the more delegates you get. But quirks in the rules mean relatively small differences in the exact split of the votes can lead to large differences in delegates.

We’ll get into the nitty-gritty below. The big picture is that if one person ends up with a commanding lead and gets nearly half the delegates, that candidate will become the overwhelming favorite for the nomination. But if the delegate leader has a narrow edge and is well below half of the delegates, a long, close-fought contest will likely ensue.

1) Why is Super Tuesday a big deal?
It’s simple: There are a whole lot of delegates at stake.

The way to win the Democratic nomination is by winning delegates — specifically, winning 1,991 out of 3,979 pledged delegates, enough for a majority to get the nomination at the Democratic National Convention. And there are 1,344 delegates — one-third of the total — up for grabs in Super Tuesday’s contests.

Though there will be several more months of primaries remaining, it’s possible that Super Tuesday can settle the nomination contest. It’s not mathematically possible to reach the “magic number” of delegates yet — but Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004 won so convincingly on Super Tuesday that their opponents quit shortly afterward.

Yet Super Tuesday can also pave the way for a very long race. In 2008, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ended up nearly tied after an early February Super Tuesday, and they battled it out through four months of remaining contests. In 2016, Clinton locked in a solid advantage over Sanders on Super Tuesday that she never relinquished — but it wasn’t such an overwhelmingly dominant performance as to drive Sanders to quit the race, so he stayed in.

2) Why is there a Super Tuesday?
No one person or group dictates the primary calendar from the top down. The national Democratic and Republican parties have declared that the month of February is reserved only for the four early states — Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. But after that, it’s just up to states to schedule primaries whenever they want between March and June.

Many states that want to influence the outcome of the nomination have calculated that the best way to do that is to go as early as possible: on the first Tuesday in March. (This dynamic has been called “frontloading.”)

Super Tuesday actually began as a plot to help President Jimmy Carter stave off a primary challenge from Ted Kennedy in 1980, as Carter’s strategists got three large Southern states where he was expected to do well to schedule their primaries early. From 1984 through 1992, other Southern states joined in an attempt to give their region more influence (as did a few non-Southern states).

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Eventually, big states from elsewhere in the country wanted in, and the first Super Tuesday that truly spanned the nation took place in 2000. That’s been the norm ever since, though the exact lineup varies from cycle to cycle as states move their nominating contests around. (Super Tuesday 2008 is still the record-holder for the number of states and the proportion of the total delegates at stake.)

3) What are this year’s Super Tuesday states?
From most delegates at stake to least, they are:
  • California (415 delegates)
  • Texas (228 delegates)
  • North Carolina (110 delegates)
  • Virginia (99 delegates)
  • Massachusetts (91 delegates)
  • Minnesota (75 delegates)
  • Colorado (67 delegates)
  • Tennessee (64 delegates)
  • Alabama (52 delegates)
  • Oklahoma (37 delegates)
  • Arkansas (31 delegates)
  • Utah (29 delegates)
  • Maine (24 delegates)
  • Vermont (16 delegates)
  • American Samoa (6 delegates)
Another contest, involving “Democrats Abroad” — Democratic voters living overseas — will begin on Super Tuesday, but won’t end until March 10. So it’s those 14 states and one territory that will have their voting conclude on Super Tuesday, with 1,344 delegates at stake overall.

That’s a lot to get your head around, so it can be helpful to break down the lineup into groups:

  • California (31 percent of Super Tuesday delegates): The biggest single prize.
  • Seven Southern states (46 percent of the day’s delegates): Like Super Tuesdays of old, this year’s map is skewed toward the South, though it’s a grab bag of very different states from that region — most notably Texas, but also North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, and Oklahoma.
  • The rest (23 percent of delegates): There’s a trio of New England states, Minnesota from the Midwest, Colorado and Utah from the West, and American Samoa.
Finally, it’s worth remembering that even though Super Tuesday is just one day, several of the states involved began early voting or mail balloting weeks ago. So a chunk of the vote will have been locked in before Tuesday itself.

4) How does someone win Super Tuesday?
In one sense, the way to ensure Super Tuesday delegate dominance is simple — win by a lot, in a lot of places. If Sanders or anyone else manages to do that, they’ll end up with a big delegate lead.

But if most outcomes are closer or if the results are mixed, the delegate situation will be highly contingent on the exact breakdown of the vote, because of Democrats’ complex delegate allocation rules.
Democrats have no “winner-take-all states” (where whoever comes in first place gets all that state’s delegates) — instead, they allot delegates proportionally based on each contest’s results.

That means winning isn’t all that matters: The margin of victory is crucial. A narrow win will barely provide an advantage in the delegate count, because proportional rules mean the second-place finisher usually gets close to the same amount of delegates. But winning in a landslide will provide a big delegate edge.

Beyond that, the devil is in the details, particularly when the field is as large as this one is.

5) Why is the devil in the details?
First off, there’s the threshold: Candidates need to get 15 percent of the vote somewhere to get any delegates there. Those below 15 percent are nonviable and get nothing.

Second, it’s not quite so simple as “30 percent of the vote gets you 30 percent of delegates.” Instead, it’s your percentage of the viable candidates’ vote that matters. Basically, votes for any candidate who’s below 15 percent are excluded, and your percentage of whatever’s left determines your share of delegates.

So let’s say you get 30 percent of the vote, but there are three other viable candidates, getting 25 percent, 20 percent, and 15 percent of the vote. The viable vote adds up to 90 percent, and your 30 percent is one-third of that — so you get one-third of the delegates. Here’s how it would play out under a sample scenario, if there were 10 delegates at stake. (Note: Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Amy Klobuchar dropped out of the race just before Super Tuesday.)
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A very different situation transpires if you get 30 percent of the vote and only one other candidate is viable, getting 20 percent, with the rest of the vote split among several others. The viable vote would then add up to 50 percent. Your 30 percent is three-fifths of that — so you get many more of the delegates at stake.
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This means a great deal can depend on the exact breakdown of the vote — particularly in big states with many delegates at stake.

Finally, as if all this wasn’t enough, a candidate’s statewide performance is not all that matters for delegates. The majority of the Super Tuesday delegates (about 65 percent) are in fact allotted based on results in individual districts (mostly congressional districts, except for Texas, which uses state senate districts instead).

Proportional allocation with a 15 percent threshold applies separately in all these districts. That means that if you do well in a state overall but are at 14 percent in a district there, you’ll get zero of that district’s delegates.

Take California. There are 415 total delegates at stake there. But only 144 of them will be awarded proportionally based on statewide results. The other 271 are divvied out according to the proportional results in California’s 53 congressional districts (with 4-7 delegates at stake in each district).

It’s all quite complicated. But all in all, Super Tuesday is a contest to top 15 percent by as much as possible in as many places (states and districts) as possible. Every time candidates get zeroed out by falling below the threshold is bad news for them.

6) So if you get the most delegates, you win, right?
Well, technically, you don’t win the Democratic nomination just by winning more delegates than anyone else. The party’s rules state that you need an outright majority of the 3,979 pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.

So another key thing to watch for in the Super Tuesday results is whether the delegate leader is on track for an actual majority — or, if not, just how far off track they are from it.

Again, Democrats’ lack of winner-take-all states makes this question very important.

  • If a candidate finishes Super Tuesday with 40 percent of delegates so far, he or she needs to win 56 percent of the remaining delegates for a majority.
  • If the top candidate has 35 percent of delegates after Super Tuesday, he or she needs to win 59 percent of the remaining delegates.
  • If the post-Super Tuesday leader has 30 percent of delegates so far, he or she needs to win 62 percent of the remainder.
The problem is that those proportional delegate allocation rules make it difficult to rack up large delegate advantages. Again, narrow wins in states result in the delegates being split. To gain the upper hand, you can’t just win states — you have to win big.

So if the leading candidate is significantly off track from a majority after the Super Tuesday delegate haul is locked in, he or she may never get back on track for one — paving the way to a contested convention in which no candidate wins the majority on the first ballot (something that’s never occurred in the modern nomination system).

That’s the theory, anyway. Many believe that in practice, Democrats would face enormous pressure to give the nomination to whoever wins the most delegates, even if that person is short of a majority. The specifics could depend on just how big that first-place person’s lead is, and how close to a majority they end up — which shows why, again, the delegate details of Super Tuesday are crucial.

7) What will happen on Super Tuesday this time around?
Overall, despite all the drama in the Democratic contest so far, it’s important to remember that barely any delegates (just 4 percent of the total) will have been allotted before Super Tuesday.

So while the expectation now is that Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner, and polls appear to back that up, this won’t really be set in stone until we see how he — and everyone else — does on Super Tuesday.

Sanders could, as many now expect, win most states by significant margins and build a sizable delegate lead that will carry him to the nomination. But if there’s a late swing to another candidate — such as Biden, who just won big in South Carolina on Saturday — Sanders could also lose his frontrunner status quite quickly.

For the other candidates who have had more mixed outcomes or little success, Super Tuesday is really do or die. If you don’t get a significant chunk of the Super Tuesday delegates, it becomes all but impossible to get a pledged delegate majority.

Super Tuesday is also the first electoral test for former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who has spent half a billion dollars on advertising across the country but skipped the four early states. Bloomberg rose in national polls and in polls of Super Tuesday states over the past month, but scrutiny of his past and his rocky performance in the Democratic Las Vegas debate have lately sent his numbers in the other direction.

But the crowded field this year means that, depending on how the ball bounces on March 3, there are several possible outcomes with very different implications for the race. Here are the main ones:

  • One candidate emerges with a large delegate lead and on track for the majority: This would mean they’re a commanding favorite to win the nomination.
  • One candidate emerges with a large delegate plurality in a split field but is not on track for a majority: This means that person is the favorite to get the nomination eventually, but one or more of their rivals could continue campaigning to try and deprive them of the majority and make things interesting at the convention.
  • Two candidates split almost all the delegates: This would likely mean a two-person race going forward, with the outcome up in the air, but likely to be settled before the convention (since it’s extremely likely, in a two-candidate race, that one person ends up with a majority).
  • Three or more candidates split delegates, and no one’s on track for a majority: This is the scenario where a contested convention would be most likely.
Finally, it’s entirely possible that we won’t actually know the Super Tuesday outcome on Super Tuesday. For instance, California takes a famously long time to count votes (due to the need to verify late-arriving mailed ballots), and the exact vote shares and margins both statewide and in its 53 congressional districts could be important.

If one candidate does end up winning almost everywhere, that might not be such a big deal. But in this nomination contest so far, it’s usually prudent to expect that things could get messy

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Super Tuesday looks to be interesting with Klob and Mayor Pete dropping out, I imagine Biden and Bloomberg will pickup most of those delegates. Looks to be lots of fun.


Polls: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/

CNN interviews with all the candidates from last night:
Michael Bloomberg

Elizabeth Warren:

Bernie Sanders:

Joe Biden:

My super tuesday choices:
Alabama(Biden), Arkansas(Biden), California(Bernie), Colorado(Bernie), Democrats Abroad(Biden), Maine(Biden), Massachusetts(Biden), Minnesota(Biden), North Carolina(Biden), Oklahoma(Biden), Tennessee(Biden), Texas(Bernie), Utah(Bernie), Vermont(Bernie), and Virginia(Biden)

Update: All but Texas I got correct, based. I forgot American Samoa but that's tribes of people and my guess is as good as any. Democrats abroad takes a week to trickle in.
 
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Holy fuck, I don't think the Burnouts will recover from this; This is the sort of post that is unironicly going to push them over the edge and make them take the Confederate-Pill
He didn't praise George Wallace for nothing. I, for one, will take my stand for the Southern Agrarian uprising.
 
Is it just me? Or every time the Bernie supporters cry online, the age of the alleged Boomer voting bloc that screwed them by unfairly voting against everyone's interests, keeps getting older?

Like, it started out as "everyone over 35 betrayed us!" and slowly that's become 45, 55, 65, 75 and now they're basically claiming that 2/3rds of the country is 99 years old and on life support and will die when the power goes out next: "so why should we listen"?
Well, they aren't wrong about everyone over 45. Here's the exit polling from Texas:
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I'm sure everyone will be shocked to learn the 18-29 bracket underpreformed in actually voting.
 
I mean Flint is just sitting there. If Bezos or the Zucc ever run they have a golden opportunity to win over both the Rust Belt and African Americans thats gift wrapped right in front of them.
I coulda swore we fixed it already, but idiots keep using it as a cudgel. Or was it they were actually already given the money, but the corrupt morons they elected pissed it away for rapper lapdances like the NYC black block did with their money?
Is it just me? Or every time the Bernie supporters cry online, the age of the alleged Boomer voting bloc that screwed them by unfairly voting against everyone's interests, keeps getting older?

Like, it started out as "everyone over 35 betrayed us!" and slowly that's become 45, 55, 65, 75 and now they're basically claiming that 2/3rds of the country is 99 years old and on life support and will die when the power goes out next: "so why should we listen"?
They're getting more and more desperate in having an effortless "revolution", so having their opponent be a 100+ year old senile cripple is their best shot to still cry and shudder in their bugman forts paid for by family.

And apparently Bernie won more than I thought he would. He's still fucked, but I'd laugh if we still get a brokered convention.

Biden/Bloomberg, maximum fuckery let's go here we go.
 
Well, they aren't wrong about everyone over 45. Here's the exit polling from Texas:
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I'm sure everyone will be shocked to learn the 18-29 bracket underpreformed in actually voting.
I have a feeling that the youth who didn't show up were apolitical and didn't actually care about Sanders. The day after the 2018 midterm, my Sociology professor asked who voted and all but like three people raised their hands; a couple hours later my CS professor asked the same thing and only around three did raise their hand.
 
I have a feeling that the youth who didn't show up were apolitical and didn't actually care about Sanders. The day after the 2018 midterm, my Sociology professor asked who voted and all but like three people raised their hands; a couple hours later my CS professor asked the same thing and only around three did raise their hand.
There is also the fact that for all of the "big talk" they do on the twitter and the reddit and other places, These people don't actually believe this shit and are just saying it for popularity.
 
This is why millennial's and early zoomers are worthless

"The planet is dying! People are dying! We need to do something NOW in order to have a future"

Then they literally shit themselves and do nothing. I'm willing to bet a lot of the people crying didn't even fucking vote.

Either A: They are indeed worthless when it comes to fixing problems they believe in

B: Most millienials actually don't give a fuck about Bernie, and the reason it was so low is because more are moderate/conservative than originally thought.
 
Maybe. I could have sworn remembering Obama not doing so well initially and then it seemed while Hillary was resting on her loins that the tortoise eventually caught up to the hare and won.

All I know is that I hope the fight continues for as long as possible so that the far Left and the Left are pretty much at ends wit with each other to want to join forces to deal with Trump.

Obama did very well early on and upset Clinton by winning the delegate counts in Iowa, tying New Hampshire, winning Nevada, and dominating in South Carolina. The reason Obama (purple) beat Clinton (yellow) is that he demolished her primary demographic base - southern black democrats. Remember, Bill was "the first black president" until Obama came along. The Obama campaign ran attack ads that severely drained her black support and boosted his status as the new great hope after his early over performance, Clinton was the decisive underdog post-super tuesday (2008's was the largest one to date). It didn't help that 2 of the states she won had their delegates stripped from them due to violating DNC rules by scheduling their contest too early.
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2008 States by popular vote is overly kind to Clinton's performance

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Here's a better indicator of how she did.

Clinton was the establishment candidate at first, however, Obama was milquetoast enough that no one was deathly against his being nominated the way the DNC is with Sanders. It mainly came down to a referendum on the candidates themselves since their policies were so similar once you looked into the details. After his South Carolina steamroll, the party started lining up behind Obama and Clinton only dropped, prior to the convention, once it was made clear to her that the Super Delegates were not going to overturn the results.
 
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4 years of Biden, Bernouts have already bent the knee
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Bernie supporter is unaware of his "No refunds" policy and thinks that's unfair
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Well played blitzkrieg
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Blacks still don't know how to vote
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Anime profile pic Vaush fan turns to anarchism to fight the system
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"I’m going to assume someone’s gender and I apologize" :story:
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Berniebro's cousin inquires into why he can't discuss things like an adult
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Instead of accepting reality, I use my paypiggery to justify my poor political choices
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Disown your family for having a different political opinion
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Avengers, Assemble!
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Poorfags will poorfag.
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Bernie supporter shows his displeasure by ripping up a piece of paper for reddit, what a badass
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Damn blacks liking Obama
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Ilhan Omar going after Warren
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The r/SandersForPresident begins oppo research
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No more mr nice guy
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Bloomberg meme? Gay. Bernie memes? Dankest around.
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r/SandersForPresident moderators accidentally go mask off about the socialist revolution
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This is the updated cope
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Vaushfans are crying and threatening suicide
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Tranny vaush fan is going to start the revolution to destroy transphobia
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Of course Vaush fans would fantasize about having black things being forced down their throat
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Berniebros are so sexist attacking Warren
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Kyle Kulinski is scared of the "S" word, like changing the name will make much difference
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My daughter said X about this apparent political injustice, never heard this one before
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People are starting to realize the "Communist-Incel" pipeline
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Even Bernie apologized to Warren for his sexist incel supporters
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Imagine getting mentally broken as a result of "Russian trolls"
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"I feel like naked white supremicist violence from the police state is the only thing holding this country together. It’s clear so many of us, particularly those over 40, have nothing but absolute contempt for our fellow human being."
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I love how chapofags will talk about all the trolls poisoning the well, then upboat the most divisive, pointless posts
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This beaner fag decided to list his real name and location, exceptional
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Additionally Bernie has released ad making it look like Obama endorsed him. Obama has very different politics to him, Biden was Obama's VP and I don't know what this message tells people besides that Bernie is desperate. Overall, seems very ill advised.

This post is even better then a post from Shiversblood. Shiversblood has such addictive posts. Wow he is full of intellect and prose. Disliking peoples posts 40 times in a row like a 5 year old with internet access, his love of racist remarks about Muslims, calling everyone a bitch and discussing Mr Magenta slamming cock in Trent's anus.

I love reading his support of Bernie Sanders because Bernie you know supports medical marijuana Shivers thinks he will make a good president.

Oh wow the artistic expression that is released from Shiversblood soul every time he makes a post. His discussions of how wrong racism is and how Muslims should not be in this country and how Chris Chan is someone to study for homosexual behavior, I mean his posts are of high quality.

When I read this post of yours though I was truly impressed. Could Bernie Sanders potentially not be the truly honorable candidate everyone is making him out to be? Could it be there is more to discuss then the Coronavirus?

All this and more could be answered from someone who would deliver such high quality information in such a post. Of course I don't believe in voting anymore. If I did though your content could be swaying me to my next decision in the voting category. Thank you sir for informing me!
 
Either A: They are indeed worthless when it comes to fixing problems they believe in

B: Most millienials actually don't give a fuck about Bernie, and the reason it was so low is because more are moderate/conservative than originally thought.
Por queno los dos? The only one of my friends who lost his shit when we were doing our elections was a dude who borderline scammed his roommates and was dumb enough to talk shit about his dad to his business partners, while he was working part-time under him. The roommates were progressive as well, but not so over-the-top.

For B, it makes sense that the young political space is more energized. They talk big and go out for all these sorts of things, but they're also more arrogant and unpleasant. Other youngsters are more just concerned with being young - videogaming, playing around, etc. It's only when they get older that they lose the energy to be so over-the-top, and at the same time, and the youngsters who hadn't paid attention start to.
 
This is why millennial's and early zoomers are worthless

"The planet is dying! People are dying! We need to do something NOW in order to have a future"

Then they literally shit themselves and do nothing. I'm willing to bet a lot of the people crying didn't even fucking vote.

Either A: They are indeed worthless when it comes to fixing problems they believe in

B: Most millienials actually don't give a fuck about Bernie, and the reason it was so low is because more are moderate/conservative than originally thought.
Millenials and Zoomers are all about slacktivism. It's all about feel good politics, when it comes to actually doing anything other than spend money or putting in legwork, they flake. One redditor in an above picture said it best. Bernie got the keyboard warriors, Biden got the footsoldiers who go out and vote.
 
Anyone else notice that the delegate count hasn't gone up in several hours despite there still being plenty left?

Who the fuck cares? I don't mean I don't care because what you are saying is stupid. What I mean is who the fuck do you think is going to win? One of two parties. Probably Trump or the guy who hates him the most and uses it the most on his campaign against Trump.

Personally I doubt it will be Bernie fucking Sanders. But just saying. Its going to be whatever its rigged to be. I don't mean rigged like the ballot box is rigged to see the same votes I mean the media will rig it by making one president look like a better actor then all the rest. That is what America wants. A really good fucking actor. Maybe it will be Trump again. Who knows. Bernie Sanders? Doubt it.

Who does that leave? Trump. Probably.
 
Well, they aren't wrong about everyone over 45. Here's the exit polling from Texas:
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I'm sure everyone will be shocked to learn the 18-29 bracket underpreformed in actually voting.

Okay the categories are starting to aggravate me, you can't compare them that way since the grouping is way off. 18-29, 11 Years, 30-44, 14 year, 45-64, 19 years, 65 and up let's just go with 20 to be safe. Even if you ignore the dropping of birthrates the later brackets are going to have more people than the first two since they have a wider scope.

This is why millennial's and early zoomers are worthless

"The planet is dying! People are dying! We need to do something NOW in order to have a future"

Then they literally shit themselves and do nothing. I'm willing to bet a lot of the people crying didn't even fucking vote.

Either A: They are indeed worthless when it comes to fixing problems they believe in

B: Most millienials actually don't give a fuck about Bernie, and the reason it was so low is because more are moderate/conservative than originally thought.

Hoefully it's B but it's likely A, they are too lazy to go out and why would they wait in line to vote they already did their job by donating the money they were going to spend on vidya. Also, I think subconsciously they know he can't win so this way they can live on believing bernie was robed instead of having him blown out of the water by orange cheto plod garfield hitler drumpf.
 
Essentially human Chihuahuas, they bark all they can but never take a bite.
They believe it on some level, but it's also conformity. Don't agree with the socialist agenda, get screeched at and told off by your fellow students/people your age. There is also a level of overconfidence that leads them to believe they will win and not bother voting. I was in Bong uni around the time when there were elections and votes every year I was there. Youth talked the talk but never walked the walk due to overconfidence, some intellectual reason, or most commonly not giving a crap because there are better, more fun things to do as a youth. Pretty sure it's not too different with the youth in the US.
 
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