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TGWTG"Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny
You know, when the exodus happened, I thought Brad was fine because he had his website and his movies and his shows to keep him going if CA really went belly up. Guess I overestimated how he was doing. Still though, #CTC has pretty much decimated TGWTG.
I don't think Brad's decline was as steep as the Walkers, but a lot of people aren't aware that he had his own seeming CTC moment with his old friends/collaborators. It just happened gradually, wasn't due to a single cause (though I think his ego was a factor), and none of the people involved were Allison Pregler-tier drama whores, so less of it is on the internet. I think if YouTube imploded and you got platforms like Blip back again Brad could have a Renaissance reviewing gore films and softcore porn and whatnot, but until then his only real output is Midnight Screenings (which aren't even called midnight screenings any more because midnight is past his bedtime now). It's a pity because when you watch his reviews you can see the mismatch in film knowledge and analysis between him and anyone else on screen including the Walkers. He's no Ebert but he's better than they are, and you can kind of tell he knows it.
Anyone brave enough to watch the review? He's autistically hated this film for years and I can't stand another "the Goblin is too goofy" "muh Gwen Stacy" skit bullshit.
Brad seems genuine as a guy. That said I have watched him on and off since 2007 and have gotten to see the full evolution of his career. I can't say I've watched every video of his but damn near, including most of the really old ones he took down due to poor production quality, or the old films he nervously deleted due to them being more un-PC than the current internet tolerates. Brad had a niche and that was reviewing the kind of content that in its own time was censored out of the mainstream, and as a result he has always had more trouble doing the Cinema Snob than any TGWTG people have ever had with their shows and characters. Blip disappearing basically killed the Cinema Snob as a show because there's no way the stuff he reviews would stay up on New YouTube.
If you look at Brad's early stuff, it's all filmed with his old 2000s crowd who were mostly people he'd known for years or decades: Dave, Sarah, Brian, Irving, Jerrid, Jake, his old wife Jillian. A few other hangers on. What worked was the unscripted shows where they got to make fun of movies together and crack jokes freely, but a few of these people, even if Brad was still friends with them, would be suicide for a youtube channel today - hell, Irving once said "negroes" in a video, and there were jokes about Brian owning slaves. What didn't work was Brad's cringey attempts at creating his own Channel Awesome by setting these people up with scripted web series like 80s Dan, which was a disaster. Now most of these people are no longer friends with him, whether it's due to his breakup with Jillian, CTC, personal beef, or any combination of those. The only one left is Jerrid.
Brad works best when he has a straight man or another comedian type to bounce lines off of, but that can be hard to find. What he was really meant for, in my opinion, was something like Red Letter Media. Instead he's stuck with Channel Awesome, participating in their stupid skits in exchange for Rob and Doug reviewing movies with him in his car to keep his site and YouTube channel alive. This deal was done probably long before Brad's move to Chicago - he mentioned "collaborations" as a contributing factor - and is basically him and the Walkers, having both had their mini empires effectively collapse, merging to a degree so they can both survive and lean on what's left of each other's fanbases. It's really sad. But nowhere in any of that have I gotten the impression that they're friends, or Brad is doing them a favour. He needs them almost as much as they need him, if not more.
The Raimi films are a fun, goofy pure comicbook treasure and I love them to shreds. They're way more memorable than the Sony films, that's for sure. If you can spawn a million memes from a single movie, you've made it.
Does Doug say anything different from the first two times he did a video on this film? I saw the length of the video and decided it wasn't worth sitting 41 minutes just to see if he says anything new.
I've got no love for capeshit but these are some of the few examples I actually like, especially of Marvel characters. They didn't follow the later MCU formula of shitty puns and cynicism and more or less played things straight. They also weren't overloaded with endless fanservice and pointless references to other Marvel movies and characters. Of course, defending modern MCU stuff and capeshit in general is a touchstone for all these consoomers in their 30s and 40s, which means the older stuff needs to be criticized to make the new stuff seem better in comparison.
I've got no love for capeshit but these are some of the few examples I actually like, especially of Marvel characters. They didn't follow the later MCU formula of shitty puns and cynicism and more or less played things straight. They also weren't overloaded with endless fanservice and pointless references to other Marvel movies and characters. Of course, defending modern MCU stuff and capeshit in general is touchstone for all these consoomers in their 30s and 40s, which means the older stuff needs to be criticized to make the new stuff seem better in comparison.
The thing that I like about the Raimi trilogy is that it's loaded with moments that you're basically never going to see in a modern MCU movie. One of my personal favorite moments is the climactic fight in the first one where Spider-Man and Goblin just beat the shit out of each other. It's actually pretty visceral compared to a lot of modern superhero movies where the final battle devolves into bright lights and loud computer effects, and a lot more emotionally satisfying because of it.
The thing that I like about the Raimi trilogy is that it's loaded with moments that you're basically never going to see in a modern MCU movie. One of my personal favorite moments is the climactic fight in the first one where Spider-Man and Goblin just beat the shit out of each other. It's actually pretty visceral compared to a lot of modern superhero movies where the final battle devolves into bright lights and loud computer effects, and a lot more emotionally satisfying because of it.
This is probably really petty of me, but I quit watching Brad Jones after his review of the Challenger episode of Punky Brewster. Something about his presence on camera during this "review" and him using the show's 1980s tone as a flaw really irks me and tells me that his alignment with Channel Awesome is beginning to channel its tardery into him.
Even as someone born in 1996, I'm actually a big fan of Punky Brewster and think it's a really good show. If anything, the 80s tone is part of the charm, and if anything I'd say this one of the more timeless shows from that era, as I find myself relating to a lot of the issues Punky goes through.
So I guess Brad must think Daria is a bad show because it has a 90s tone?
The thing that I like about the Raimi trilogy is that it's loaded with moments that you're basically never going to see in a modern MCU movie. One of my personal favorite moments is the climactic fight in the first one where Spider-Man and Goblin just beat the shit out of each other. It's actually pretty visceral compared to a lot of modern superhero movies where the final battle devolves into bright lights and loud computer effects, and a lot more emotionally satisfying because of it.
Don’t forget Green Goblin being impaled by his own glider. Also, didn’t 2 have Harry ready to stab Spider-Man before he removed the mask and saw it was Peter. Also, the subway scenes in 1 and 2 are amazing. Especially stopping the train in 2.
The Raimi films are a fun, goofy pure comicbook treasure and I love them to shreds. They're way more memorable than the Sony films, that's for sure. If you can spawn a million memes from a single movie, you've made it.
Even without the memes and shit, with at least 1 and 2, I’m pretty sure Raimi had some really memorable scenes that have stood the test of time with fans of both Spider-Man and superheroes. I mean, kissing MJ in the rain and stopping the train in 2 (Hell, any subway scene really) is pretty iconic if you ask me, and iirc, those two are completely serious...or at least can’t be memed that easily.
The other thing about the Raimi films is, goofy or not, they are sincere as fuck. At least the first two are. The goal wasn't to go in and lazily make money because of brand name recognition. I think Raimi genuinely wanted to tell this story and was being 100% earnest in everything he did with them (minus Venom).
Dafoe's Green Goblin is legit one of my fave movie villains for how fucking hilarious and scene-chewing he is. Uncle Ben's death hit the hardest out of any adaptation to date. Even though Kirsten Dunst's MJ isn't the ideal, she still did a good job as well and her character got more interesting as the movies went on. Tobey isn't my favorite Spidey but he definitely is my favorite Peter.
I don't know why Doug gets such massive hate-boners out of popular, beloved franchises. He does this shit with Harry Potter and Pokemon and there's absolutely no room for acceptance without shitting on them or saying "it's so bad/awkward it's good".
I would take a billion Spiderman 3's over any of the CA films.
Brad seems genuine as a guy. That said I have watched him on and off since 2007 and have gotten to see the full evolution of his career. I can't say I've watched every video of his but damn near, including most of the really old ones he took down due to poor production quality, or the old films he nervously deleted due to them being more un-PC than the current internet tolerates. Brad had a niche and that was reviewing the kind of content that in its own time was censored out of the mainstream, and as a result he has always had more trouble doing the Cinema Snob than any TGWTG people have ever had with their shows and characters. Blip disappearing basically killed the Cinema Snob as a show because there's no way the stuff he reviews would stay up on New YouTube.
If you look at Brad's early stuff, it's all filmed with his old 2000s crowd who were mostly people he'd known for years or decades: Dave, Sarah, Brian, Irving, Jerrid, Jake, his old wife Jillian. A few other hangers on. What worked was the unscripted shows where they got to make fun of movies together and crack jokes freely, but a few of these people, even if Brad was still friends with them, would be suicide for a youtube channel today - hell, Irving once said "negroes" in a video, and there were jokes about Brian owning slaves. What didn't work was Brad's cringey attempts at creating his own Channel Awesome by setting these people up with scripted web series like 80s Dan, which was a disaster. Now most of these people are no longer friends with him, whether it's due to his breakup with Jillian, CTC, personal beef, or any combination of those. The only one left is Jerrid.
Brad works best when he has a straight man or another comedian type to bounce lines off of, but that can be hard to find. What he was really meant for, in my opinion, was something like Red Letter Media. Instead he's stuck with Channel Awesome, participating in their stupid skits in exchange for Rob and Doug reviewing movies with him in his car to keep his site and YouTube channel alive. This deal was done probably long before Brad's move to Chicago - he mentioned "collaborations" as a contributing factor - and is basically him and the Walkers, having both had their mini empires effectively collapse, merging to a degree so they can both survive and lean on what's left of each other's fanbases. It's really sad. But nowhere in any of that have I gotten the impression that they're friends, or Brad is doing them a favour. He needs them almost as much as they need him, if not more.
I also really miss Jillian, that break up has always bummed me out, but what's weird is wasn't she still voicing a character in his Lloyd cartoon as recently as 2017? But correct me if I'm wrong she has no online presence now?
I also really miss Jillian, that break up has always bummed me out, but what's weird is wasn't she still voicing a character in his Lloyd cartoon as recently as 2017? But correct me if I'm wrong she has no online presence now?
Nope, she's a Twitch streamer and very active on Twitter as themistressj. I haven't watched any of her stuff and have no idea how popular she is. She seems pretty casual with it and doesn't have a Patreon or anything, just an Amazon wish list from last year that's all gaming stuff.
You're correct and in many ways Lloyd was basically the last thing he did before CTC fallout, since it also has Allison. She was in Shot on Shitteo as well. They "separated" back in 2012 but didn't officially divorce until sometime after that. However lots of people mention and I agree that afterward he was harsher towards her opinions in reviews and they seemed very awkward together. I'm not sure if they hate each other now or what but she slipped away for the most part in the mid-2010s.
If you have watched Brad as long as it sounds then you probably have a pretty good idea of his taste in women and why his current wife seems pretty ideal for him even if she doesn't bring much to his reviews. Jillian seems to have lowkey femdom vibes and clearly likes thinking of herself as an Elvira type. It's been said (no idea of the truth) that she dated women after the breakup and that doesn't surprise me. Stuff like that is why it probably wasn't hard to talk her into doing nudity for that one movie, or the one show where she reviewed Skinemax stuff with the same energy as a JOI video on pornhub. She was clearly always a bit ambitious and wanted to be visible.
In contrast Brad is a bit egocentric and like a lot of guys (I don't blame him) wants an arm candy wife who's probably sexually submissive and who validates his opinions and tells him how smart he is. Laura is basically that. He clearly gets along well with her and some of the onscreen interactions give a D/s vibe (or at least an extremely D/s lite relationship) and he also liked showing her off to viewers early on. However their dynamic makes for really boring reviews where she just validates his opinion over and over. She also clearly doesn't have much of a passion for film even though it's admirable that she still supports him and participates. This in my opinion is why his reviews with the Walkers are actually one of the few cases where seeing Doug on screen doesn't make me actively and constantly cringe, because him and Doug are both pretty loud and opinionated and when they occasionally clash it gives Brad a strong foil, even if Doug is an idiot.
⦁ Gimmick this year is Spider-Month. He does a shitty recreation of the 60's cartoon color with a song as good as you'd expect. He also wears one of the costumes with fake padded muscles.
⦁ Makes a Spider-Pig reference, what a hack.
⦁ Opens with a skit with Tamara as the fan girl and Malcolm as the bodyguard. It's about how people think the Raimi movies are bad now but used to like them. These two characters interrupt a total of seven times throughout the video.
⦁ "Am I really gonna end up defending these movies?"
⦁ Calls it the Norman Rockwell of Superhero film series.
⦁ Basic footage of the trailer/light history of the film segment. Very minimal context, there's an unfunny James Cameron/Alita joke in there.
⦁ "It's like a POV cam of when I was in high school." No Doug, Tobey Maguire had a full head of hair in those shots.
⦁ "How come I never see Willem Defoe and Christopher Walken in the same place!?"
⦁ Reused footage from his Pinky & The Brain bit.
⦁ As Uncle Ben, "I don't have a hope of surviving this movie, do I?" Doug you fucking clown.
⦁ Puberty/masturbation "hairy palms"/perving on MJ through his window jokes.
⦁ Bitching about the effects, pulls out the Two Towers example as he likes. (He complains about the effects a total of 6 times in the review, and brings up Two Towers twice.)
⦁ Prequel "sand" joke. (he makes three more prequel jokes/references including "Are you an angel?")
⦁ "Randomness like this had to be planned" in reference to the cameos in the wrestling scene. It's a movie you pud.
⦁ "Snap into a Slim Jim" joke.
⦁ They're doing Twitch now? I missed this.
⦁ Calls him "J. Jonas Jameson"
⦁ Bad J.K. Simmons impression.
⦁ Complaining about the Goblin suit.
⦁ Restrains his first Power Rangers joke for about halfway through the run-time.
⦁ He just can't let go that this was rated PG-13 (about five of these jokes in total).
⦁ Doug can't pronounce "pendulum" (says pen-dull-um)
⦁ The scene of Osborn talking to the mask is "weirder than David Lynch interviewing a monkey".
⦁ Hated this movie when it came out because he was "waiting for a film like The Dark Knight to come out and take comic books more seriously". Fucking pathetic.
⦁ His final monologue is generic WatchMojo Top 10 bullshit.
And here's Doug looking like he has Cerebral Palsy.
It was bad, but not The Wall bad. About as bad as he was when he first un-retired the character.
Their Twitch channel showed up in my recommended feed and I legit did a double take. Curiosity got the better of me and I clicked it. I ended up catching Malcolm playing CTR with viewers. From what little I saw, Malcolm seemed to be enjoying himself, so it didn't really reek of "Michaud's making us do this". Can't speak for the others, though. I'd hate to imagine how well a Doug/Rob stream would go.