Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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They won't say which 'community' it is for fear of race riots. That's delightful.



Pittsburg why? Cleveland is a flyover city and totally irrelevant. They aren't densely packed like CA states are, and their commerce is not tied to travel like the coastal cities.

Anchorage would be a candidate if people were fleeing Washington/Oregon on their boats to go live there.
Pitt has UPMC, many in the region flock to it for medical care. Cleveland Clinic is located in... Cleveland, obviously, and is one of the foremost clinics in the country. Huge sprawling campuses for both of these places, lots of patients and lots of doctors. Lots of opportunity to spread.

As for the virus getting there in the first place, could be anything from the numerous universities nearby with international students, or something as simple as both cities being on major travel routes. Cleveland has the Ohio turnpike and pitt is a meeting point between a few different major interstates.
 
Interesting graph from Hong Kong, which indicates in Feburary, all viral infections went down. Some are hypothesizing that because of SARS in 2002, people are scared shitless by this disease and have proactively amped up their personal hygene. Could also explain why Singapore and Taiwan are doing comparatively better. source.

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(Minor) Travis AFB update

Airmen who wear a mask to work at the hospital are still being treated like they're crazy by some of the other personnel. Yes, still, after that close call the other day, with more cases popping up in our area, with infection contacts being confirmed to have occurred in hospitals and clinics, with the new policy that masks are required when interacting with patients, etc. Those same personnel were the ones gloating two weeks ago about how there was no chance for things to get even halfway to where they are now. The one place where this needs to be taken deadly serious, and people still want to play optimist, as though happy thoughts make everything bad go away. David Grant is always a nightmare to get through the pharmacy even on a slow day due to the absolute ocean of mummy-aged retirees waiting in line for drop off and again for pickup. This place is about to become one hell of a springtime blockbuster sequel to that nursing home in Washington if people don't get their shit together.


During an ER visit some time ago, I was sitting in the waiting room on a slow day with almost all seats being open. An 80+ year old fat woman with a walker decided she needed to sit across from me with under 2 feet of open space between us. One of her knees was black from necrosis and her other leg had black patches here and there on the calf. It smelled exactly like what it was- rotting flesh. I almost threw up on the cow. She made eye contact with me and pulled a peppermint hard candy out of her purse or a pocket, unwrapped it and popped it into her mouth. No, it was not sugar-free, those have "SUGAR FREE" printed repeatedly on the wrappers and have a faint but distinct smell that gives them away. I finally got called up for triage (WTF, seriously, the place was dead), and then sat back down in a seat on the opposite side of the waiting room as the old cow. After her triage, she sat down right across from me again, like she had some sick desire to make someone watch as she killed herself and/or to make me feel even more sick than I was just for kicks. Shit lady, at least use something better than trash-tier decoration candy if you need to off yourself.

Either way, if you have a legit job in America, your tax dollars are paying for that old cow to make her suicide-by-beetus as slow as possible. Tons of retirees do this kind of shit to themselves and there's nothing anyone is allowed to do about it. The shit I've heard from radiologists in the USAF along with what I saw make a very clear and rather consistent pattern, and it's not great. It's an outright blackpill that makes me wonder if this virus ripping through geriatrics will do more good than harm, even at the cost of a few elders that I very much don't want to die.

At the very least, we get a laugh when we talk about the patients who have to get sent to Sea World because they can't fit into the hospital's jumbo MRI and CT.
 
When someone's asymptomatic, they're unlikely to have that anymore. So it's likely less of a case of reinfection and more of a case of not getting over the original infection, which then comes back.
Yeah, sadly that isn't the only, viable explanation to what is happening, take a good look at our friend the Dengu Feva and at the marvelous "Antibody-dependent enhancement".​
“With the second infection, the antibodies sort of recognize the new type of viruses, but not well enough to clear them from the system,”, “Instead of neutralizing the viruses, the antibodies bind to them in a way that actually helps them invade the immune system’s other cells and spread.” 🤦‍♂️
Now you might be thinking "Bruh, what does the Gaydease™(Hi Jim 👋 ) have to do, with our straight Coronachan?​
Maybe a lot.​
Covid-19: https://libgen.is/scimag/10.1016/j.micinf.2020.02.006
While the molecular and immunological host response to SARS-CoV-2 infection has not yet been fully elucidated, evidence suggests ADE is occurring. Based on previous studies using SARS-CoV using in vitro studies [15] and mouse models [16]
[15] https://libgen.is/scimag/10.1128/JVI.01792-08
[16] https://libgen.is/scimag/10.1016/j.chom.2016.01.007
old SARS Studie: https://www.hkmj.org/system/files/hkm1603sp4p25.pdf old
Hence it is possible that ADE of SARS-CoV infection is happening without deleterious consequences to the target cells. Nonetheless, with reference to the great deal of controversy in the literature regarding the relationship between immune mediators, cell death and the pathophysiological events of SARS, our study may not have focused on the right gene candidates.
 
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OK guize, somewhat PL here but related. El Comandante went to the doc this morning for a prescheduled visit, scheduled 3 months ago. Finally got my doc (primary care) to talk coronachan.

The word around the hospital and associated clinics is that coronachan numbers are gonna head for the moon starting next week most likely. They're prepping for a massive influx of coronachan victims starting most likely this weekend or right after. 60 cases right now in California (El Comandante is in suburban Sacramento), but we're looking at likely well north of four digit numbers after a week or two. Corona is already out in the wild and spreading.

Possibility of lockdown quarantines in densely populated cities and areas, places like San Francisco, much of Silicon Valley, central areas of Sacramento like downtown/midtown, east side, Oak Park and southeast, north side slums. If you live in Cowtip BFE you likely won't be locked down personally but if you have to go into a crowded central city you will find National Guard and You Shall Not Pass. Prep for a few weeks without stocked supermarkets, since corona is passed via touch (see below).

Coronachan lives on surfaces primarily and is transmitted via hands-a corona victim touches surfaces in a public place, you touch it, you touch eyes/nose/mouth, bingo. Wash and disinfect your hands as much as possible, if you can't find sanitizer use baby wipes, everybody at the clinic was toting around wads of kleenexes for opening doors and such, and every time a patient was touched they immediately reached for sanitizer.

Not TEOTW quite yet, but this is only the trailer for the main feature.
 
Literally no one even came close to saying that.
Just go to work ... Sick. I used to work in a field where were officially told not to come in of we were ill. We did anyway because how else you gonna make rent? I can just see these office assholes showing up and infcting everyone from the cleaninglady to the 'sandwich artists' in the cafeteria to the CEO just because they've decided that they 'aren't that sick and it's just the flu, bro', and adding to the clusterfuck. Nah mate, you sick, stay TF home for a few.
 
Of course we are only finding out people died from the coronavirus after the fact since there is no reliable test readily available for it and these deaths occurred before most Americans knew it was even circulating.

You can blame CDC, FDA, HHS, whatever incompetence for the lack of tests. We only had two months to prepare, after all.

They finally sent test kits out to public health labs and the one in Tampa can do a whole 50 a day. Working literally 24/7 which they can't even realistically do. Pence said every American could be tested so guess what we're getting slammed with now.

Open up the fucking ability for academic hospitals to run their own tests.
 
So I have recently found out that apparently I have an uncle that I don't think I've ever met die "mysteriously" of pneumonia. Apparently they're investigating to see if he had the corona or not. He was 49, located in the states, and given my family's history probably suffered dreadfully from diabetes.

Who knows, getting info from my father is like trying to grab water. Took me three fucking months to figure out another uncle was in a coma. By the time they finally told me everything, he woke up.
 
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Washington State just closed down their schools. Looks like they are preparing for a statewide quarantine.
Good. I hope so.I'm fucking salty that the lady running my continuing ed class decided that instead having each student presenting their final project in a one off before the whole class, that we would do a 'science fair' format and have small bunches of tightly packed people hovering around exhibits. I want to burn my clothes now. They can't shut this down too soon for my tastes. Maybe we can finish classes online now.

Besides, each class fewer people even show up...
 
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Hungary and Greece are closing their borders to asylum seekers amid the coronavirus outbreak, both countries announced Sunday.

While Hungary has reported no cases of the disease so far, Greece has at least seven.

Hungary's chief security advisor, György Bakondi, said the country was indefinitely suspending accepting asylum seekers to transit zones because of the coronavirus outbreak, local journalist Viktória Serdült reported. Bakondi said new arrivals from Iran, where there have been 978 reported cases and 54 deaths, may pose a danger to those already inside.

As reporter Serdült pointed out, this "effectively shuts down" access to asylum in the country because people without valid visas can only file applications in these transit zones. He added that the chief security advisor "failed to mention that recent Iranian arrivals from Turkey have been living in closed Turkish camps for years, not in Iran."

Greece has reported seven coronavirus cases; Hungary has reported zero.

The Prime Minister of Greece, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, announced that the country would not be accepting any new asylum applications for at least one month. He also said the country's national security council had decided "to increase the level of deterrence at our borders to the maximum."

The Greek prime minister had announced increased border security against migrants last week, citing coronavirus concerns.

"Migration is now taking on a new dimension, as flows to Greece include people from Iran – where we have had many cases of coronavirus – and many passing through Afghanistan," he said at a ministerial meeting on February 27. "Our islands, therefore, already burdened with public health issues, need to be protected twice."

His announcement on Sunday to halt asylum applications came amid reports of clashes between migrants and police at Greece's border with Turkey.

Last week, Turkey said it would open its border with Greece to let migrants enter Europe. By Sunday, more than 13,000 had gathered at Turkey's border with Greece on Sunday in hopes of crossing into the European Union, according to the United Nation's migration organization. Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said his country can't handle the number of migrants fleeing Syria's civil war.

The Daily Express reported on Sunday violence at the border, where migrants threw stones and Greek police fired tear gas.

Countries are increasing border security and banning large public gatherings as coronavirus spreads. REUTERS/Amanda Perobelli

Border restrictions go into effect around the world
Around the world, countries are tightening border security and imposing travel restrictions to slow the spread of the virus.

So far, European countries have pledged to keep their borders open amid the coronavirus outbreak, even as the number of cases in Italy has climbed to almost 1,700 and the death toll to 34. Germany has said, however, that it's tightening border checks amid the outbreak, while countries including France and Switzerland have banned large public gatherings.

In the US, President Donald Trump said on Saturday that his administration was "very strongly" considering closing the southern border with Mexico in response to coronavirus. There have been three reported cases in Mexico, according to CNBC.

The Trump administration announced last month that it would temporarily bar foreigners from entering the US if they had been to China in the last 14 days. The US later extended that ban to any foreign citizen who has visited Iran in the past two weeks.

On Saturday, Vice President Mike Pence, who is in charge of the White House coronavirus task force, said that authorities were issuing a level four advisory warning Americans against traveling to specific areas of Italy and South Korea and that the State Department was developing medical screening guidelines to deploy in those countries of individuals coming into the US.

Countries including Australia, Russia, Japan, Pakistan, and Italy have also imposed similar restrictions on admitting foreigners who have traveled in China, according to the BBC.

Israel has blocked entry to travelers coming from Italy unless they are Israeli citizens.

The head of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Ghebreyesus, said on Thursday that right now, the coronavirus outbreak "can go in any direction based on how we handle it."

Ghebreyesus added: "This is not a time for fear. This is a time for taking action to prevent infection and save lives now."

Wow we got like 3 confirmed and like 30 suspected cases now. Its exploding. Habbening is upon us.

 
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