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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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Gov'ts of the world should just send their health bills to China when this is all said and done.The Irish government is pushing through emergency legislation to increase Illness Benefit from €203 per week to €305 per week (minimum wage here is €10.10, so a full time job on that would bring home about €350 after tax), and people will be eligible after one day rather than six. It'll also be available to self employed people, it wasn't before.
Emergency legislation aims to amend rules on sick pay
The Government is to introduce emergency legislation in the Dáil to amend the rules on sick pay, which will see Illness Benefit rise from €203 per week to €305.www.rte.ie
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They also have something of a Welfare State in Saudia Arabia, If Oil stays low the House of Saud is either gonna have to cut government spending or Dip into that cash reserve (Do you think Rich Sand Niggers are gonna give money in their bank account away?)
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It didn’t spread well between humans, so quarantine and case tracing was able to squelch it efficiently. It also didnt spread before symptoms arose and by then you were on a short timer to be really sick (SARS had a high rate of mortality and serious complications.) So there were almost no people wandering around spreading it unaware.
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Gangs wise the Police are finally moving on it because they know things will boil over. It's why there's so many gangs now being broken and the gangs convicted. The only downside is the bastards who tolerated the situation for so long aren't being charged as accessories also when really, the people in charge at Rotherham and Telford bare minimum should be tried for their abhorrent ideology which let it happen.
The Chink facial cameras are in bizarro-world-distopia London which is not the rest of the UK but amerifats never understand this. It's like me saying all retarded policies out of NYC or California is the whole USA. Or the bullshit happening in Berlin is all of Germany, etc.
The Internet Control Bill mirroring Article 13 is how we passed EU law inside the UK, and is the same as in all other EU states, since we left the EU a large number of companies are swapping back to the old, US standard and it's likely to be on the bonfire of laws long term as the UK diverges from EU law.
The woman was not arrested for "praying in public" wot mudslimes do all the time, she was protesting outside an abortion clinic which was the first in the UK to be given a big fuck off "Don't protest people within the set area" order mostly to get rid of fundies screeching at women and calling them murderers or threatening them and she chose to break it.
Oh, and as the investigation proved that all she was doing was peacefully praying the charges were dropped by November of last year as the CPS felt it couldn't whack someone for being a complete cunt outside of a clinic.
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I didn't mention some whackjob who broke into a clinic. In general, your country arrests people for public religious sentiment, when they're not muslim.
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So this story about LabCorp and Quest getting in on coronavirus testing seemed to explain why the CDC might not be working to get test kits out there, and why testing might have been highly restricted.
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But looking at the stock prices, they don't seem to be riding too high on this. Are investors worried that they'll only be getting a 100% profit on each test or something?
LabCorp and Quest to Offer Coronavirus Tests | The Motley Fool
The clinical lab giants want to help meet the urgent need for COVID-19 testing.
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Louisiana confirms presumptive case of coronavirus in New Orleans area
The Louisiana Department of Health has reported Louisiana’s first presumptive positive case of COVID-19, commonly referred to as coronavirus, a Jefferson Parish resident who is hospitalized in Orleans Parish, Gov. John Bel Edwards announced Monday.
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It’s in Louisiana now
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Went to my local Lidl. No TP or kitchen roll (paper towels as it otherwise known as) to be found. But as previously mentioned, boxes and boxes of tissue. Not sure why as the value boxes of tissues, work great as TP, so that's dumb.
Also pretty sure I was listening to someone in the bogs at work stealing TP as no one needs to dispense that much for a wee. Silly person could have made their life a lot easier, just by opening the dispenser up, they are meant to be lockable but in actuality they never are.
And we have one person at the local hospital on HDU blessed by Corona-chan. They were part of PHE random testing of people with pneumonia and turns out they had been blessed.
Also what's up with the site colours at the mo? Are you burgers celebrating something?
Also pretty sure I was listening to someone in the bogs at work stealing TP as no one needs to dispense that much for a wee. Silly person could have made their life a lot easier, just by opening the dispenser up, they are meant to be lockable but in actuality they never are.
And we have one person at the local hospital on HDU blessed by Corona-chan. They were part of PHE random testing of people with pneumonia and turns out they had been blessed.
Also what's up with the site colours at the mo? Are you burgers celebrating something?
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Yes! I've just seen that they're closing schools and all until March 23th. It's the best course of action at the moment, but this shit should not be underestimated.
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Louisiana confirms presumptive case of coronavirus in New Orleans area
The Louisiana Department of Health has reported Louisiana’s first presumptive positive case of COVID-19, commonly referred to as coronavirus, a Jefferson Parish resident who is hospitalized in Orleans Parish, Gov. John Bel Edwards announced Monday.www.fox8live.com
It’s in Louisiana now
Nothing a little Haitian voodoo/hocus pocus can't fix.
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Well, if and when you get it and decide to "shrug it off," make sure you stay at home to shrug it off. And if you don't do that, then you're an asshole. Sorry not sorry.
That's been the problem with this virus in the United States: People fucking traveling, actually getting the virus, and then treating it like it's not a big deal.
It's a big deal to many people who have compromised immune systems and/or people who are elderly. And even though most of the deaths in the United States have been from a single state (in fact, from a single nursing home), we are not hearing the cases where people have survived and are living with potential permanent damage to their lungs.
I'm not here to scream and shout "We're all going to die!" However, this virus has proven to be highly, highly contagious and almost a death sentence to people with pre-existing health issues. It's stupid to call this a flu when it's more like a highly contagious version of pneumonia.
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Ohio has 3 cases now. Here's an excerpt since most of this article is the usual fluff.
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Coronavirus in Ohio: 3 test positive for COVID-19
COLUMBUS (WCMH) — Governor Mike DeWine announced Monday that there are three positive cases of COVID-19 coronavirus in Ohio. DeWine said it is important to take aggressive action to protect Ohioans…
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Wu flu aside, has anyone else noticed that this season has made people more prone to get sick? I haven't gotten properly sick since elementary school, but this winter alone I got sick three times, although they were very minor, like two to three days of feeling like shit and then back to normal.
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Kinda? @Null changed them in honor of the recent stonk market shenanigans.
Damn. That means I'm surrounded on all sides! Time to channel my inner Chesty Puller.
For the moment, all remains normal in the Heart of Dixie. No reported cases, no visible shortages of anything (aside from masks) at local stores.
On my final "supply trip" about ten days ago at a local Wal-Mart, bumped into a guy who had an armload of N95s (the 3M 8211s with no one-way valve). We exchanged some small talk, and he mentioned that he was picking up the masks for a work-related trip to NYC. We shared a laugh about there not being any official cases there yet, and he seemed genuinely surprised when I mentioned he was gonna have to ditch that well-trimmed full beard if he wanted the masks to be useful.
As we know now, the Wu Flu is starting to really go nuts up in NYC by now. Hopefully the Ginger Beard Man didn't get coofed on.
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But can he afford to stay at home?
We're talking about a question of economics. Markets that need to be propped up. Facades of liberty that need to be preserved. And how do the economic incentive structures look?
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-treatment-costs-us-health-care-bankruptcy-2020-3American bankruptcies could get a coronavirus bump, even among the insured
Coronavirus is scary for Americans' health and wealth.
Just ask Miami resident Osmel Martinez Azcue, who checked himself into the hospital for flu-like symptoms after arriving back in the US from a work trip to China. As first reported by The Miami Herald's Ben Conarck, Azcue was concerned he had been exposed to the novel coronavirus.
He asked to first be tested for the flu before getting a CT scan to screen for coronavirus because of his limited insurance plan, Conarck wrote. He did have the flu, which meant no further testing for coronavirus. But the whole ordeal cost $3,270, according to a notice from his insurance company.
The charges are in the same ballpark as Frank Wucinski's medical bill. As reported by Sarah Kliff for The New York Times, Wucinski was living in Wuhan, China, where the virus originated, with his wife, a non-US citizen who developed pneumonia that doctors think resulted from the disease the virus causes, COVID-19.
The US government flew Wucinski and his daughter back to the US for mandated quarantining and coronavirus testing. While neither had coronavirus, Kliff wrote, the uninsured Wucinski was charged $3,918.
Both patients thought their costs would be covered, according to previous reports and Azcue's interview with Business Insider, and both were charged, only to later be told of "errors" associated with their bills. A corrected administrative error brought Azcue's co-pay down to $1,400, he told Business Insider, and a hospital spokesperson told The Times that Wucinski's bill was sent in error and he would not have to pay.
While these two individual cases can't be applied to every similar case nationwide, they do put American health care in the limelight — and Americans' ability to afford it.
Coronavirus testing from the CDC is free, but coronavirus treatment at hospitals will probably cost you
The CDC — the only facility equipped to test for COVID-19 or designate other laboratories to do so — is not billing for testing. That means a patient who goes to the ER or urgent care for coronavirus treatment wouldn't incur a charge for COVID-19 lab testing. Under the CDC's broadened guidelines as of the first week of March, anyone who has flu-like symptoms can receive a coronavirus test if a doctor agrees.
But as Azcue and Wucinski's cases prove, patients aren't off the hook for charges related to tests for other viruses or conditions, or the trip to the medical provider itself. How much a hospital stay would cost for a particular patient depends on what procedures are run and their insurance plan, if they have one.
While exact procedures for a patient with suspected COVID-19 are unknown, typical health care costs point toward steep numbers. Medical documents verified by Business Insider broke down Azcue's charges, ranging from $1,261 for virus and flu testing to $819 for an ER stay, before co-pay. Wucinski told The Times his charges included a $2,598 ambulance trip and $90 for x-ray scans.
According to estimates provided to Business Insider by healthcare cost database FAIR Health, possible procedures related to coronavirus treatments could range from $441 to $1,151 for an out-of-network ER visit (read more on the methodology here).
US health care poses specific challenges for coronavirus
This wide cost range reflects the particular challenges of US health care and its effect on personal finances.
One of these challenges is that most Americans get insurance coverage through their employer, John Graves, PhD and associate professor at Vanderbilt School of Medicine, told Business Insider. These employment-based policies, he said, essentially try to put the brakes on unnecessary care and overutilizing services by creating barriers in the form of co-pays, co-insurance, and deductibles.
The problem, Graves said, is that people can't always differentiate between necessary and unnecessary care. "They don't want someone showing up every time they have a fever and a sniffle," he said. "But the unique challenges of coronavirus is that it manifests as a fever and a sniffle."
There's evidence that people cut back on care when faced with a deductible, he added. The average deductible for an individual who gets health insurance through work is $1,655. It's enough to cause 26% of US adults to put off or postpone getting health care for financial reasons, with 21% reporting they've skipped a recommended medical test or treatment for the same reason, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation report.
The timing of coronavirus also doesn't help, Graves said. It's spreading early in the year, when most people haven't yet hit their deductible.
Both uninsured and insured Americans should worry
Not all US employers offer insurance, and some Americans are unemployed or are part of the gig economy and can't afford it. That leaves 27 million Americans without insurance.
As Carl Gibson put it for the Guardian, this cohort is a "coronavirus timebomb." Of those ages 18 to 65 who are uninsured, 28% had trouble paying medical bills in the past year, according to a CDC report. That percentage drops to 18% for those with Medicare, and 11% for those with private insurance.
Even those who do have insurance face two major issues, according to Graves. There's surprise billing, when you receive care in an in-network hospital but receive a higher bill than expected. That's because the facility bill may be in-network, Graves said, but the physician bill could be out-of-network.
Surprise billing hits one in 6 ER or hospital patients, according to a KFF report. Graves said it's most prevalent in the ER and is common in pathology, a department he says might be part of a treatment course for coronavirus.
The other issue is if your in-network hospital is at capacity and diverts you to an out-of-network facility, Graves said. Currently, the Affordable Care Act caps out-of-pocket spending at $8,700 for patients whose care comes from in-network providers — financial protections that don't exist if you find yourself at an out-of-network facility. While some insurance plans have out-of-network benefits that might cover some of these costs, he said, a bill here could still exceed $10,000.
Coronavirus could cause some Americans to go bankrupt
The possibility of staggering coronavirus treatment costs in the US health care system spells a grim situation for the typical American.
Per a SmartAsset analysis of Federal Reserve data, half of American households had $4,500 or less in checking and savings accounts as of 2016. If these people need treatment for suspected coronavirus, they may not have enough saved to cover costs. A bill of that size could wipe out their savings entirely, or at the very least, put a huge dent in them.
Consider Azcue, who earns a $55,000 base salary. "I consider myself lower middle class," he said, adding that he only graduated a year-and-a-half ago, has not had that kind of income for very long, and would likely not have been able to pay off the bill before then.
He said paying off his $1,400 bill will be a struggle, although doable, but others aren't always so lucky. A study conducted by the American Journal of Public Health in 2009 found that 66.5% of the 1.4 million bankruptcies in the US are related to medical issues.
It's worth noting that this study was published in the aftermath of the Great Recession, and the number of bankruptcies in the US have since declined to 767,721 in 2017, according to US court filings. More recent studies have differed on medical bankruptcy percentages, ranging from 26% to 57% of all bankruptcies.
A post-recession study found that more than half of US bankruptcies were related to medical issues. Business Insider/Andy Kiersz, data from American Journal of Public Health
Regardless of statistical debate, it all points to the effect of health care costs on many Americans. Medical debt is a strong driver of bankruptcy filings, attorney Simon Goldenberg of The Law Office of Simon Goldenberg, PLLC told Business Insider, sometimes caused by emergency situations which can be compounded if you're treated out-of-network.
While some patients can work out payment plans, bankruptcy can sometimes be the most feasible solution for those who have high debt and a low income. "Even with a steady income, an emergency medical bill for thousands of dollars could be a struggle to tackle," he said.
Goldenberg said he thinks coronavirus could potentially cause an increase in patients seeking bankruptcy relief. Both he and Graves said the uninsured and underinsured paying out-of-network will struggle the most with financial repercussions. While those without employment-offered insurance are often younger adults in their 20s, Graves added, it's a group where coronavirus doesn't seem to be as severe.
But patients who do test positive for coronavirus have more than medical costs to worry about, especially since there's a quarantine period that could limit their ability to work, possibly resulting in loss of earnings. "The hardship in paying those bills could be compounded if the patient is required to undergo extensive recovery, precluding their return to regular employment," Goldenberg said.
Politicians are trying to make treatment more affordable
Hospital trips for suspected coronavirus infections could indebt or bankrupt some Americans, but avoiding treatment for financial reasons could potentially amplify the spread of the virus.
To prevent either from happening, politicians are trying to implement changes. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo issued a directive requiring health insurers in New York to waive cost-sharing associated with getting tested for the novel coronavirus. Rep. Ruben Gallego is working to introduce a bill that will grant automatic eligibility to every American for emergency Medicaid coverage of testing and treatment costs for COVID-19.
Azcue is hopeful his story will spark changes in his community, state, and the country. His story isn't about him, but "about the healthcare system for the lower middle class of US citizens, especially in a national emergency situation," he said.
Asked if he would get tested again knowing the costs, Azcue said yes, but that he wouldn't judge anyone who decided not to.
Meanwhile, seeing many reports from Europe of calls from business organizations for low-interest loans to businesses in transport, tourism, etc, affected by the coronavirus, and for government co-pays for sick leave and absence due to necessary business shutdowns.
This is a no-brainer, although obviously the incentives that a national state would provide to each sector differ.
It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
The question as to whether this comes through and whether it actually benefits workers and maintains a stable business environment will come down to what conditions are attached, and what the actual strategy against the epidemic will be in each country.
As long as this pretend 'containment' is the strategy de jeur, the epidemic will spread without control. making it difficult for states to extend bridge funding for businesses as it drags over multiple months.
Meanwhile, the European Central Bank is taking no means to protect the national interests of the constituent states. In fact, their asking their staff to work from home could be construed as a direct attack on such, by preserving their ability to attack national power for as long as possible.
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Purely from personal anecdote, It’s been a bad season even before the wu flu for respiratory illness. We had something nasty sweep through in early November (lots of healthy people getting cardiac arrhythmia for some reason with it) and then something else in jan that had a lot of pneumonia and ear infection riding on the back of it. Some seasons are just worse than others.
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They;'ve been in worse straits before. Back in the late 50s (I think, cannot be arsed to check) there was a point where the Saudi treasury had about 16 dollars in it after all the princes and the king has spent their new oil money in the manner most commonly associated with trailer-dwelling lottery winners.
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It's highly unlikely that the Saud crime family's grift will collapse as a result of market forces.
They didn't get where they were because they are popular. They were funded to take the power they do because they are utterly without principle in regards loyalty to the Ummah, and they will act in wholy unprincipled ways (for example, their direct funding of the 9/11 hijackers) when paid enough.
If they were in a position where it looked like they were running out of money, their masters would simply pay them more. Money is not a solution to the Saudi proxy threat.
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What's going to damage the economy more is if the virus becomes a lot more widespread. Full stop. If anything, it would create more mass panic and paranoia, which would definitely tank the economy even harder. There's a lot of employers at the moment who are telling their employees to work from home for the meantime and are canceling business trips that require travel, which is the right call. I'm aware that's not the case for a lot of workers, but there are many employers and businesses who are taking the proper strides in response to this.
And, a lot of the cases of this virus in the United States have been from people who have come back home from traveling. If they can afford to travel like that, then I think they can at least afford to stay home instead of going to public, recreational areas (the case detected in Vermont today was because of some asshole who tested positive after traveling to Italy, and decided to go to some local festival just because!). The CDC just announced that they are highly discouraging people to go on cruises right now, and I've seen a lot of people respond to that with "Oh hell no, I'm still going on my cruise. Eff you, CDC." Hope their pina coladas are worth their efforts of adding to the pandemic ...
And finally, the poster in question literally said that they don't care if they get it. Don't have much sympathy for people who have that kind of attitude, to be honest.
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