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I recognize that carpet and that electrical cord. HAH! You're fucked now, bucko! Do you know where you are? This is the Kiwi Farms!!

Good news I don't have to go to the "destination shopping venue" for work anymore. My boss must have realized that he isn't immune to this; so out of self-preservation he has decided to protect his workers as well. Even an asshole is right twice a day.
 
A sixth person has died from Coronavirus in the UK.

They were in their 80s and had underlying health complications.

The daily figures, which have been released at 2pm every day via the department of Health and Social Care are being delayed. This could mean it's either a big rise, or something's up (such as a drop in figures for a second day in a row) and it's thrown government prediction figures off.

The UK is currently 13.5 days "behind" Italy so it may come to pass similar lockdowns will happen.

Supermarket update from Pillockshire. I went and panic bought the shit out of everything got a few bits and bobs I needed. Toilet paper in Morrissons has been limited to 4 packs due to shortages and spiked demand.

The only people stacking their trollies high with all four fucking packs were not boomers, they were Gen Y and Millenials. Boomers and Greatest Generations were chuntering (quite loudly) about the stupidity of panic buying when it's a flu, not the shits, while continuing their regular purchasing of a single pack for themselves.

I agree with them wholeheartedly, tbh.

BIG OLD EDIT: As soon as I posted I checked twitter to see they've posted today's figures. The current total is 373, this is an increase of 54 (+8 on yesterday's figure).

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So I was having a think today about why it seems to be tearing the arse through a lot of nations, and not others.

Some, like Iran and China are due to lower hygiene standards, poorer general medical understanding etc.

But Italy, Germany, Spain etc etc don't have this, people are generally more "aware" of what causes issues and there's a decent healthcare system backing them up when it does go wrong.

The UK and Poland however, are (currently) seeing far slower rises in Kung Flu cases, and are enacting policies and encouragement to people far earlier thanks to the 2 week lead time Italy has given others. So, why's that?

Well, my theory is it comes all down to the dosh, the moolah, the wonga, the dough, the buck, the quid etc etc.

Poland and the UK are the ones who have embraced contactless payment systems the most to the point that useage of cash is plummeting to the point both states may go entirely cash free within the next decade or so. In the UK alone we've dropped from over 20 billion pounds worth of cash transactions to £8bn between 2012-2020.

Since coronavirus has broken out too, a lot of people have been stopping using cash and swapping to their debit cards/contactless payment because you genuinely don't know who's been handling your money.

But the southern european states? Iran? China?

Still a lot of dosh being handed around out there, and what do you do when you cough? If you're polite you put your hand over your mouth, then go and pay for something with the same hand without washing inbetween....
 
Just saw this. Puts a lot of things in perspective.



March 9, 2020
Coronavirus Codswallop -- By the Numbers
By Brian C. Joondeph

"Codswallop" is one of those interesting words that might have been used by Supreme Court justice Anton Scalia in a dissenting opinion, or by conservative intellectual William F. Buckley in describing some liberal policy.

It's a British expression that refers to words or ideas that are foolish or untrue — in other words, nonsense.
While codswallop is a good description of the entire Democrat agenda, today I will restrict its use to the hysteria surrounding the coronavirus outbreak, media fear-mongering, and resulting public panic.

Big media are all about ratings, view, and clicks, hence their axiom, "If it bleeds, it leads." A viral outbreak is the perfect story, on par with a missing Malaysian airliner or a celebrity football player named OJ on trial for murder.

The added bonus is that any negative news can be laid at the feet of a president loathed by the media, who just so happens to be running for re-election. The media are in full campaign mode, trying desperately to drag the carcass of one of their corpselike candidates across the presidential finish line.

Stoking fear over quarantines and supply chain disruptions has sent the stock market on a downward roller coaster ride. One of President Trump's major achievements is the roaring economy. Taking the stock market down 25% or more may help the Democrats. But by the numbers, the economy is still roaring, bolstered by the February jobs report of 273,000 added jobs, more than expected, and record-low 3.5% unemployment.

Despite the hair-on-fire reporting of coronavirus news, let's look at some actual numbers, rather than the codswallop from CNN or MSNBC. Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Dashboard are illustrative.

At the time of this writing, there are 107,352 cases worldwide, 3,646 deaths, and 60,558 recoveries. Fifteen of those deaths occurred in the U.S. The odds of recovering are far higher than the odds of dying.

Cases in mainland China have peaked, with few added cases over the past week. Cases elsewhere are on the rise, following the same pattern as China in early February. Recoveries are rising at an even faster rate.

Granted that China may be better equipped to institute mandatory quarantines and travel restrictions under their command and control government, the pattern is similar to the disease course for other viral epidemics.

Anthony Fauci, M.D., of the National Institutes of Health and a member of the Trump administration's task force, gave some perspective in a New England Journal of Medicine editorial:
The median age of the patients was 59 years, with higher morbidity and mortality among the elderly and among those with coexisting conditions (similar to the situation with influenza).
The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza.
In other words, the coronavirus may be a nastier version of the seasonal flu, potentially fatal for the elderly and infirm. How many Americans die from the flu each day? Let's ask the CDC.
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Influenza and pneumonia caused 55,672 deaths in the U.S. in 2017, or 153 persons per day. As a reminder, only 15 have died from the coronavirus to date, the number dying in any four-hour period from the flu.

Over the past decade, influenza has affected between 9.3 and 45 million persons each year, depending on the flu severity. Hospitalizations for the flu have ranged from 140,000 to 800,000 persons per year, and deaths varied between 12,000 and 61,000 each year.

These numbers, in America only, far eclipse the number of coronavirus fatalities worldwide, about 3,600 thus far. This could and will likely change, but are the numbers worthy of the hair-on-fire reaction from cable news anchors and Democrat politicians?

Remember the coronavirus mortality rate of 3.4% pushed by the World Health Organization, the global Deep State's health mouthpiece? President Trump said that number was too high and was excoriated by the liberal media, eagerly willing to trade a bunch of dead Americans for a Trump defeat in November.

It turns out the president was correct. Health and Human Services assistant secretary Admiral Brett Giroir declared, "The best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.1% and 1%."

For comparison, the fatality rate for the seasonal flu is 0.1%. The coronavirus fatality rate is likely similar to the 0.1–1% figure based on confirmed cases. How many individuals have a normal cold, when in reality they have the coronavirus, and recover after a week? That would mean that far more are infected but are unreported, as their infection is a nonevent, making the fatality rate lower than reported.

Look also at past viral illnesses, far more lethal than the coronavirus. The fatality rate for MERS and SARS was 34.4 and 9.5% respectively. Neither illness generated as much media hysteria as coronavirus.

Swine flu, also known as H1N1, happened on Obama's watch. With over 60 million cases in the U.S., and over 12,000 deaths, where was the vitriol hurled at Obama, compared to what we are seeing directed toward Trump?

Another number ignored by the media is the number of cases of coronavirus per capita. The U.S. rate is obviously far lower than China, South Korea, and Japan, but also lower than Italy, France, Germany, and Spain.

President Trump's decisive actions, again contrary to media reporting, are responsible for keeping U.S. numbers down due to his travel ban.

For additional perspective, heart disease kills 1,774 persons a day, cancer 1,641, accidents 466, and strokes 401 per day. A recent tornado in Tennessee claimed 24 lives, almost twice the number of Americans who died from the coronavirus thus far.

Some other numbers offer perspective. Americans die each year from unusual causes. One hundred sixty die each year from autoerotic asphyxiation, 67 are victims of serial killers, 986 are killed by police, 75 from lawnmowers, 31 struck by lightning, and one American dies each year being trampled on Black Friday.

I haven't heard any media angst over lawnmowers or auto-erotica. Medical errors are also far more dangerous than any viral epidemic. From 250,000 to 400,000 Americans die each year from medical errors, the third most common cause of death in the U.S. What would happen if Bernie Sanders got his wish and government were in charge of all of health care?

Numbers are inconvenient to the media — particularly the math-challenged like MSNBC's Brian Williams and NY Times editor Mara Gay discussing Bloomberg's campaign spending, being off by a factor of a million. How can we trust these people reporting on coronavirus numbers?

President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." If you watch the evening news or read the daily newspaper, you will be inundated with fear. Take the constant barrage of coronavirus codswallop with a grain of salt, and keep things in perspective.
 
A sixth person has died from Coronavirus in the UK.

They were in their 80s and had underlying health complications.

The daily figures, which have been released at 2pm every day via the department of Health and Social Care are being delayed. This could mean it's either a big rise, or something's up (such as a drop in figures for a second day in a row) and it's thrown government prediction figures off.

The UK is currently 13.5 days "behind" Italy so it may come to pass similar lockdowns will happen.

Supermarket update from Pillockshire. I went and panic bought the shit out of everything got a few bits and bobs I needed. Toilet paper in Morrissons has been limited to 4 packs due to shortages and spiked demand.

The only people stacking their trollies high with all four fucking packs were not boomers, they were Gen Y and Millenials. Boomers and Greatest Generations were chuntering (quite loudly) about the stupidity of panic buying when it's a flu, not the shits, while continuing their regular purchasing of a single pack for themselves.

I agree with them wholeheartedly, tbh.

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So I was having a think today about why it seems to be tearing the arse through a lot of nations, and not others.

Some, like Iran and China are due to lower hygiene standards, poorer general medical understanding etc.

But Italy, Germany, Spain etc etc don't have this, people are generally more "aware" of what causes issues and there's a decent healthcare system backing them up when it does go wrong.

The UK and Poland however, are (currently) seeing far slower rises in Kung Flu cases, and are enacting policies and encouragement to people far earlier thanks to the 2 week lead time Italy has given others. So, why's that?

Well, my theory is it comes all down to the dosh, the moolah, the wonga, the dough, the buck, the quid etc etc.

Poland and the UK are the ones who have embraced contactless payment systems the most to the point that useage of cash is plummeting to the point both states may go entirely cash free within the next decade or so. In the UK alone we've dropped from over 20 billion pounds worth of cash transactions to £8bn between 2012-2020.

Since coronavirus has broken out too, a lot of people have been stopping using cash and swapping to their debit cards/contactless payment because you genuinely don't know who's been handling your money.

But the southern european states? Iran? China?

Still a lot of dosh being handed around out there, and what do you do when you cough? If you're polite you put your hand over your mouth, then go and pay for something with the same hand without washing inbetween....

Could be immigration as well. Third world refugees probably aren't the most sanitary people.
 
A sixth person has died from Coronavirus in the UK.

They were in their 80s and had underlying health complications.

The daily figures, which have been released at 2pm every day via the department of Health and Social Care are being delayed. This could mean it's either a big rise, or something's up (such as a drop in figures for a second day in a row) and it's thrown government prediction figures off.

The UK is currently 13.5 days "behind" Italy so it may come to pass similar lockdowns will happen.

Supermarket update from Pillockshire. I went and panic bought the shit out of everything got a few bits and bobs I needed. Toilet paper in Morrissons has been limited to 4 packs due to shortages and spiked demand.

The only people stacking their trollies high with all four fucking packs were not boomers, they were Gen Y and Millenials. Boomers and Greatest Generations were chuntering (quite loudly) about the stupidity of panic buying when it's a flu, not the shits, while continuing their regular purchasing of a single pack for themselves.

I agree with them wholeheartedly, tbh.

BIG OLD EDIT: As soon as I posted I checked twitter to see they've posted today's figures. The current total is 373, this is an increase of 54 (+8 on yesterday's figure).

=========================

So I was having a think today about why it seems to be tearing the arse through a lot of nations, and not others.

Some, like Iran and China are due to lower hygiene standards, poorer general medical understanding etc.

But Italy, Germany, Spain etc etc don't have this, people are generally more "aware" of what causes issues and there's a decent healthcare system backing them up when it does go wrong.

The UK and Poland however, are (currently) seeing far slower rises in Kung Flu cases, and are enacting policies and encouragement to people far earlier thanks to the 2 week lead time Italy has given others. So, why's that?

Well, my theory is it comes all down to the dosh, the moolah, the wonga, the dough, the buck, the quid etc etc.

Poland and the UK are the ones who have embraced contactless payment systems the most to the point that useage of cash is plummeting to the point both states may go entirely cash free within the next decade or so. In the UK alone we've dropped from over 20 billion pounds worth of cash transactions to £8bn between 2012-2020.

Since coronavirus has broken out too, a lot of people have been stopping using cash and swapping to their debit cards/contactless payment because you genuinely don't know who's been handling your money.

But the southern european states? Iran? China?

Still a lot of dosh being handed around out there, and what do you do when you cough? If you're polite you put your hand over your mouth, then go and pay for something with the same hand without washing inbetween....
I don't remember if it was in late January or early February, but there was a story floating around about the Chinese government disinfecting the currency and issuing new bank notes. It seemed like an impossible task though.
 
Could be immigration as well. Third world refugees probably aren't the most sanitary people.

I dunno, in fact I doubt it. This will have gotten back to Italy via either Chinese tourists or Italians who have been working out in Wuhan to make sure manufacturing orders are correct etc.

I don't remember if it was in late January or early February, but there was a story floating around about the Chinese government disinfecting the currency and issuing new bank notes. It seemed like an impossible task though.

Correct, it was to try and slow the spread, and the end result was... people just reinfected the new money instead. If, however, you use a contactless card, or just type in the debit number and wash your hands after....?
 
Could be immigration as well. Third world refugees probably aren't the most sanitary people.

Sociability. Chinese people, Iranian people - they have families they actually see. They have wider social circles. They don't have large sections of their population as single people or tiny family units without lots of aunts and uncles and nieces around. They don't have people whose entire social life is sitting in a bedroom arguing with people online.
 

US may declare NATIONAL state of emergency.


A Brit couldn't get tested at home so they flew to Vietnam and got confirmation of being infected over there.
 
The UK and Poland however, are (currently) seeing far slower rises in Kung Flu cases, and are enacting policies and encouragement to people far earlier thanks to the 2 week lead time Italy has given others. So, why's that?

Poles and Brits don't go in for that kissy/huggy/smoochy shit that Latins do on every conceivable occasion, right around the room in any social gathering. I mean it's charming and all, but a great way to pass a disease by placing your infected mouth on someone's FACE.

The main point with not getting infected that is constantly banged home by doctors is clean hands AND DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE. But if youget smooched on the face by someone harbouring it ... game over. They leave a trace on your face, you touch you face and maybe your eyes or mouth or nose ... you've got it. And the next person who kisses you in a short time period maybe kisses that exact area the last fucker kissed and picks up his own dose, and passes that on.

Standoffishness saves lives!

Also factor in the insane amount of illegal Chinese sweatshops in Italy, the staggering amount of global tourism in cities like Milan, Venice etc which are just packed to the rafters all years .... especially wth packs of Chinese.
 
Poles and Brits don't go in for that kissy/huggy/smoochy shit that Latins do on every conceivable occasion, right around the room in any social gathering. I mean it's charming and all, but a great way to pass a disease by placing your infected mouth on someone's FACE.

The main point with not getting infected that is constantly banged home by doctors is clean hands AND DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE. But if youget smooched on the face by someone harbouring it ... game over. They leave a trace on your face, you touch you face and maybe your eyes or mouth or nose ... you've got it. And the next person who kisses you in a short time period maybe kisses that exact area the last fucker kissed and picks up his own dose, and passes that on.

Standoffishness saves lives!

Also factor in the insane amount of illegal Chinese sweatshops in Italy, the staggering amount of global tourism in cities like Milan, Venice etc which are just packed to the rafters all years .... especially wth packs of Chinese.
What you are saying is that just remain NEET in my basement and I will be safe?

Nice.
 
Poles and Brits don't go in for that kissy/huggy/smoochy shit that Latins do on every conceivable occasion, right around the room in any social gathering. I mean it's charming and all, but a great way to pass a disease by placing your infected mouth on someone's FACE.

The main point with not getting infected that is constantly banged home by doctors is clean hands AND DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE. But if youget smooched on the face by someone harbouring it ... game over. They leave a trace on your face, you touch you face and maybe your eyes or mouth or nose ... you've got it. And the next person who kisses you in a short time period maybe kisses that exact area the last fucker kissed and picks up his own dose, and passes that on.

Standoffishness saves lives!

Also factor in the insane amount of illegal Chinese sweatshops in Italy, the staggering amount of global tourism in cities like Milan, Venice etc which are just packed to the rafters all years .... especially wth packs of Chinese.

This is very true, but doesn't cover the Germans, who also don't do the kissy bullshit the dagos and wops do to the south. Which only leaves money as a factor.

The chinese also tour the UK quite extensively, with people screaming about how "fucked" the UK was in this very thread as 2,500 tourists from Wuhan were in the UK at the time of the outbreak back East and we didn't know exactly where they were. So there's also that.
 
What a galaxybrained Chad. Can't get tested home? Time to endanger a whole plane to leech off of a foreign government! Britishness. Britishness never changes.

More likely, he could get tested but might have to wait or something, and like, who's got the time for that when you can afford to fly to fucking Vietnam and get a test?

Nam can keep him, in fact if they want to refurbish the Hanoi Hilton to keep this dozy cunt in it I'll chuck them a few dong for the labour costs.

EDIT: Of today's 54 cases in the UK, 30 were in Lahndan.
 
Havn't the outbreaks in nursing homes all been from staff who had the virus bringing it in though? I get them doing this as a hopeful pre-caution but if the staff get infected it doesn't help much.

Agree with the poster who talked about Skype. It might not be exactly the same but at least having a video call would be better than nothing.



I'm starting to get really hesitant about trusting anything that's said on twitter about this. Being a public platform where everything is fueled by likes and retweets there's going to be a lot of people who see an opportunity to 'make a name for themselves' in the face of a crisis. 'From a well respected friend' in a area where everything is running at 200% supposed percent they have the time to sit down and have a friendly chat with non-family that said friend can cheerily pass along on a twitter thread to spread the world is ending message? Pretty convenient.

The world knows this is dangerous. There's not much you can do at this point except take the recommended precautions, it's out there and it's not something we can push a button and stop at this point- and press for the countries we live in to stop as much travel and quarantine as required. Pushing commentary like this out is dangerous because all it does is cause panic and shortages. There's nothing being added to the conversation that hasn't been talked about before except that undercurrent of you don't know how bad it is and trying to legitimize it by adding it's from a doctor.



The US has a population of approx 327.2 million. Hitting it hard would be a million or more people sick, there's 605 people who have/had it. Realistically even if all 600 of them dropped dead at this point that's a drop in the bucket of the population. It terrible for the people who have it and those who've died / their families and there is a great risk for spreading but I don't think you can call it hitting hard just yet.


This thread needs a toilet paper rating.

I was referring to growing number of people soon to be infected or already infected but asymptomatic by the corona virus. Getting hit hard doesn't have to be deaths, but those who are going to be critical ill from the virus.. There are a lot seniors and people living in the United States that have health issues. Those who can't take off from their jobs that become sick will be unemployed and might get evicted from their apartments. People who live pay to pay check will be the ones hit the hardest by the virus
 
Laurie Garrett wrote The Coming Plague in 1994
This is an excellent book.
Poland and the UK are the ones who have embraced contactless payment systems the most to the point that useage of cash is plummeting to the point both states may go entirely cash free within the next decade or so.
The nordics too. I can’t remember the last time I even used a banknote or coins over there. Everything is electronic, even tiny amounts. In the Uk we’ve still got quite a few cash uses (buses for example) and small shops but over there the buses don’t even take cash at all. Everything is done via phone apps or card.
Also noticeably fewer smokers.

I heard Czech, Romania, and possibly Spain will be shutting schools down. Can anyone confirm?
 
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