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Some slightly optimistic news from Poland, maybe? 650 samples tested in a day is a significant jump compared to the numbers we've been seeing before. So far this has resulted in 7 new cases (yesterday it was 16 new ones announced at the same hour). No news on how they're feeling yet.

The gov't will be discussing potentially closing our borders later today.
 
Norway full report


Tl:dr 8000 + tested 800 positive one dead who was already ancient so probably that person would have been killed by anything else besides corona but corona got him first.

Schools closed , kindergarten closed , gyms closed because that where most Norwegians go out in Saturday night ( no joke i have seen kids showing up at 10 pm lifting instead of chasing pussy and drinking)


No people dropping left an right nobody so far wears a mask and mass panic buy yesterday and today and the same again fucking toilet paper raiding wtf norway.

Btw most of the unknown transmissions are in oslo and Bærum where the woke people are at . Corona chan get those faggots before the next elections cycle pretty please with sugar on top.
 
One of the primary mechanisms behind the autoimmune responses in SARS-CoV-2 is now known.

The virus binds to ACE2 receptors, leaving them unavailable to regulate the presence of Angiotensin II. The Ang II accumulates in the tissues, creating a highly pro-inflammatory effect and causing an immune reaction.

The virus itself actually doesn't do the lion's share of the damage. It triggers your immune system to attack your own tissues and damage them severely. Your immune system gets triggered like a Tumblrina and has a hissy fit.

This is very similar to what happened to SARS patients back in 2003. ACE2 receptors are found in many tissues of the body, not just the lungs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-05985-9

Normally, ACE2 converts Ang II to Ang 1-7 and Ang 1-9, which are Mas receptor agonists. The activity of the Mas receptor has an anti-inflammatory and tissue protective effect. So, in other words, as the virus uses up all those ACE2 receptors and leaves the Ang II floating around, it never converts into the kind of angiotensin needed for MasR, causing inflammation.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2019/2401081/

A lot of inflammation. Enough to destroy tissues.

There are other inflammatory mechanisms at work, here, too. SARS-CoV-2 stacks the inflammation up by disrupting numerous cellular functions.
 
One of the primary mechanisms behind the autoimmune responses in SARS-CoV-2 is now known.

The virus binds to ACE2 receptors, leaving them unavailable to regulate the presence of Angiotensin II. The Ang II accumulates in the tissues, creating a highly pro-inflammatory effect and causing an immune reaction.

The virus itself actually doesn't do the lion's share of the damage. It triggers your immune system to attack your own tissues and damage them severely. Your immune system gets triggered like a Tumblrina and has a hissy fit.

This is very similar to what happened to SARS patients back in 2003. ACE2 receptors are found in many tissues of the body, not just the lungs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-05985-9

Normally, ACE2 converts Ang II to Ang 1-7 and Ang 1-9, which are Mas receptor agonists. The activity of the Mas receptor has an anti-inflammatory and tissue protective effect. So, in other words, as the virus uses up all those ACE2 receptors and leaves the Ang II floating around, it never converts into the kind of angiotensin needed for MasR, causing inflammation.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2019/2401081/

A lot of inflammation. Enough to destroy tissues.

There are other inflammatory mechanisms at work, here, too. SARS-CoV-2 stacks the inflammation up by disrupting numerous cellular functions.
Does this knowledge change the treatment plan?
 
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THL (Department of Health and Welfare, Finland) CEO Markku Tervahauta was sick at the news conference, but he said his symptoms were not like the coronavirus. According to his own words, he has no upper respiratory tract infection. However, he said he would go for a coronavirus test if he had symptoms suggestive of the virus. He said he was sweaty and cold.
Tervahauta wiped sweat from his forehead and wiped it clean. He also held his mick with a cloth.
 
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One of the primary mechanisms behind the autoimmune responses in SARS-CoV-2 is now known.

The virus binds to ACE2 receptors, leaving them unavailable to regulate the presence of Angiotensin II. The Ang II accumulates in the tissues, creating a highly pro-inflammatory effect and causing an immune reaction.

The virus itself actually doesn't do the lion's share of the damage. It triggers your immune system to attack your own tissues and damage them severely. Your immune system gets triggered like a Tumblrina and has a hissy fit.

This is very similar to what happened to SARS patients back in 2003. ACE2 receptors are found in many tissues of the body, not just the lungs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-05985-9

Normally, ACE2 converts Ang II to Ang 1-7 and Ang 1-9, which are Mas receptor agonists. The activity of the Mas receptor has an anti-inflammatory and tissue protective effect. So, in other words, as the virus uses up all those ACE2 receptors and leaves the Ang II floating around, it never converts into the kind of angiotensin needed for MasR, causing inflammation.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2019/2401081/

A lot of inflammation. Enough to destroy tissues.

There are other inflammatory mechanisms at work, here, too. SARS-CoV-2 stacks the inflammation up by disrupting numerous cellular functions.

As horrible as this sounds, I feel good about seeing this news.

The sooner doctors know about how this virus works, the better.
 
I used to work at a nursing home and am now connected to an assisted living facility. I was interested to see how the Washington nursing home played out but the article where the firefighters told about the shitty sanitary conditions made it useless. I wanted to know if the virus would get everybody despite all precautions.

Does this knowledge change the treatment plan?

So, to recap, in severe and critical cases, SARS-CoV-2 can cause bilateral viral pneumonia, lung fibrosis, myocarditis, myoglobinemia, acute kidney injury, liver injury, bacterial co-infections, autoimmune reactions, and cerebrovascular and medullary infections that manifest neurological symptoms like loss of automatic breathing, collapse, lethargy, seizures, et cetera. In 80% of cases, symptoms are mild, but for 1 in 5, any of the above things can happen, especially the pneumonia.

Many of the people dying are not dying from pneumonia. They're getting intubated, and then, the cardiomyopathy from their cardiac injuries is killing them. Even if they get enough oxygen, they die of heart attacks. The virus can attack the heart muscle, the myocardium. As the myocardium breaks down into the bloodstream, it causes myoglobinemia, which, in turn, attacks the kidneys, same as if you got rhabdo from crushing your leg flipping your ATV in the woods.

Someone with severe or critical COVID-19 doesn't just need intubation. They also need prophylactic antibiotics to keep the bacterial co-infections in check, dialysis to take the strain off their kidneys, antivirals to reduce viral load, antipyretics to manage fever, and they need constant lab work done to monitor their blood and their liver and adjust treatment as necessary. I don't know what you'd do about the nasty cytokine storms, sepsis, and clots. CytoSorb? Heparin? Steroids to try and keep the inflammation down? In Wuhan, they gave people methylprednisolone to manage the inflammation, but they kept dying, anyway, because some managed inflammation is actually necessary to combat the virus. People who are already on steroids can be at risk because of immunosuppression.

Smokers, people with diabetes, people with hypertension, and people on angiotensin blockers may be especially susceptible. ARBs might protect cells from the virus, but they might also cause gene expression changes over time that make one more susceptible, so anyone who's already been on ARBs for a while may be at risk. Anything that increases ACE2 gene expression makes someone more vulnerable to COVID-19. Remdesivir and Chloroquine seem to be very effective at inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 replication.

The virus lingers in aerosols and can get in through your eyes, nose, and mouth, so you need both an N95 and skin-tight goggles at minimum. P100 full-face, even better. 40mm CBRN, better still.

It is shed in feces and urine, and patients' bedpans are very, very hazardous.

It's all in my (freshly-updated) notes:

SUMMARY OF SARS-CoV/SARS-CoV-2 AND COVID-19 FINDINGS

There are now two recognized strains of the disease.
The L strain is more infectious and severe than the ancestral S strain:

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463

The disease has an R0, the reproduction value, of around 6.6, which means 1 person infects that many other people, on average. There are also super-spreader incidents where one person can infect dozens of others. The R0 has been variously calculated as being somewhere between 3 and 7, and one Belgian scientist says between 4.7 to 7. In some locales, the R0 may vary depending on human behavior:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

https://www.rtbf.be/info/opinions/d...us-il-faut-savoir-ecouter-la-peur?id=10443799

The median incubation period is around 5 days, but outliers of 24+ days have been seen:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30026-1/fulltext

SARS-CoV-2 is airborne and it can linger in aerosols for a very long time:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infection-control/control-recommendations.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41368-020-0075-9

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/worl...sks/ar-BB10ljdt?ocid=ems.msn.dl.RosetteNebula

SARS-CoV is known to have spread by the oral-fecal route and through airborne sewage particulate matter, and SARS-CoV-2 is likely no different in that regard. SARS causes enteric symptoms and contaminates sewers and makes them hazardous:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5302810/

https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(20)30281-X/pdf

SARS-CoV-2 is capable of asymptomatic transmission and it is practically impossible to stop the spread by contact tracing and minor quarantines. There are a multitude of asymptomatic carriers walking around:

https://www.jwatch.org/na50998/2020/02/24/potential-transmission-sars-cov-2-asymptomatic-carrier

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/20-0198_article

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001737

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30114-6/fulltext

SARS-CoV-2 can enter the eye through the ocular surface. Any protective mask must be full-face. Half-face masks are insufficient:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30313-5/fulltext

The virus attacks ACE2 receptors in cells. ACE2 stands for Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2, and it's part of the angiotensin-renin system that regulates vasoconstriction and vasodilation. This system is essential for your body to maintain the correct blood pressure. ACE2 receptors are found in many vital organs and reproductive tissues in the human body. Lungs, heart, kidneys, brain. SARS-CoV-2 infection may also have negative effects on male fertility. ACE2 receptors are found in the seminiferous ducts of the testis. When the virus binds to ACE2 receptors, it leaves excess circulating Angiotensin II, which goes on to cause inflammation in the lungs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renin–angiotensin_system

https://www.dicardiology.com/article/cardiac-implications-novel-coronavirus

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202002.0299/v1

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m406/rr-15

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-05985-9

The primary pathology of note in COVID-19 is bilateral pneumonia with ground-glass lesions visible in CT scans:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30086-4/fulltext

SARS-CoV-2 can potentially cause irreversible lung fibrosis and chronic lung disease if not caught and treated with antivirals at an early stage. This has serious implications for treatment of recovered patients who subsequently get infected with a different strain; their weakened condition may increase mortality:

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202002.0407/v3/download

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...e/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca

One COVID-19 victim had such severe damage to their lungs, they needed to be treated with a double lung transplant:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/02/c_138836428.htm

SARS-CoV (a relative of SARS-CoV-2) has been shown to cause neural death (surprisingly without encephalitis) in transgenic mouse models:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493326/

SARS-CoV was also found in the brains of infected patients in previous outbreaks:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/09/050915002938.htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667944/

Recent information seems to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 can cause neurological symptoms and cerebrovascular disease, leading to loss of autonomic functions of the brain and, in the worst case, lingering brain damage. The virus can apparently attack the medulla or even cause viral encephalitis, and some patients have had the virus found in their cerebrospinal fluid:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.22.20026500v1

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25728

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/05/c_138846529.htm

SARS-CoV-2 can also possibly cause massive co-infections of prevotella, a normally harmless gut bacteria, potentially even displaying bacteriophage-like synergistic behavior with prevotella. The researchers seemed to have low confidence in this result, but it may be something worth following up on to see if the virus actually is capable of bacteriophage-like behavior in vitro:

https://osf.io/ktngw/

https://www.researchgate.net/public...nt_in_huge_amounts_in_patients_from_both_Chin

The action of SARS-Coronaviruses (which attack ACE2 pathways) can dysregulate the angiotensin system and cause cardiopulmonary damage and inflammation directly through this route:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/fvl.10.4

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32061198

SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 can both cause cytokine storms, where inflammatory agents released by the body's own immune system begin to over-accumulate and damage tissues that they were sent to protect:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294426/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)30183-5

SARS-CoV-2 can cause myocarditis leading to myoglobin accumulation in the blood and renal failure. It can also directly attack several vital organs of the body:

https://www.acc.org/~/media/665AFA1E710B4B3293138D14BE8D1213.pdf

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-what-happens-to-the-body-after-contracting-the-coronavirus#Liver-and-kidneys

SARS-CoV has been shown to be capable of Dengue-like antibody-dependent enhancement, tricking the immune system into aiding the virus. It is unknown whether or not SARS-CoV-2 can do the same. Also, some of these studies use in vitro models that have not been verified in vivo, and should perhaps be viewed with skepticism:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3019510/

https://www.msi.umn.edu/~lifang/flpapers/fang_li_mers_ade_jvi_2019.pdf

SARS-CoV has been known to cause vasculitis of the organs by attacking blood vessels directly. It is unknown whether or not this also applies to SARS-CoV-2:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1829448/

https://cmr.asm.org/content/20/4/660

SARS-CoV-2 has a furin cleavage site on the spike glycoprotein that may greatly enhance cell-to-cell fusion and infectiousness:

http://virological.org/t/the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/398

http://www.virology.ws/2020/02/13/furin-cleavage-site-in-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-glycoprotein/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...e-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say

There is some hope! Various drugs and therapies are being investigated.

Remdesivir and Chloroquine show promise in inhibiting viral replication:


https://www.gilead.com/purpose/advancing-global-health/covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550

CytoSorb, an extracorporeal filtration therapy, may help with cytokine release syndrome (a.k.a the dreaded cytokine storm):

https://cytosorbents.com/cytosorb-the-wuhan-coronavirus-and-cytokine-storm/

http://cytosorbents.mediaroom.com/2...-Patients-with-COVID-19-Coronavirus-Infection

Angiotensin blockers (ARBs), like Losartan and Telmisartan, can potentially keep SARS-CoV-2 and similar coronaviruses away from ACE2 receptors, but they may have unwanted side effects. In some cases, ARBs should perhaps be avoided entirely:

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m406/rr-2

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11427-015-4814-7.pdf

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanres/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8.pdf

The virus is reliant on TMPRSS2 and certain protease inhibitors may be able to block the virus from fusing with cells:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4?rss=yes

Novel antiviral proteins like DRACO could be used to stop pandemics in their tracks even without a vaccine available. Continued development of this technology could be used in the future to block pandemic spread entirely:

https://riderinstitute.org/discovery/

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0022572

https://www.draper.com/news-releases/draper-nanotechnology-could-fight-influenza-other-viruses

Quick Summary:
  • Extremely contagious.
  • Long incubation period with asymptomatic transmission.
  • Very high likelihood of airborne aerosol transmission as well as oral-fecal transmission.
  • Causes severe bilateral viral pneumonia with ground-glass opacities in the lungs visible on CT.
  • Can potentially cause myocarditis and subsequent myoglobinemia that shuts down the kidneys due to myoglobin entering the blood from the damaged heart.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels with vasculitis especially inside certain vital organs.
  • Can potentially damage blood vessels and/or neurons in the brain (which may be the cause for the mysterious sudden drop fatalities with people suffering apparent brain death and seizures, as seen in leaked social media footage). Could cause persistent brain damage, brain stem injury, diaphragm paralysis, seizures, and possibly even a persistent vegetative state due to its neuroinvasive potential.
  • As if that wasn’t bad enough, it could even infect normally harmless gut bacteria and form a symbiotic relationship with it, possibly becoming a persistent environmental contaminant when COVID-19 victims defecate symbiotic colonies of prevotella and SARS-CoV-2 (bacteriophage-like behavior?).

As horrible as this sounds, I feel good about seeing this news.

The sooner doctors know about how this virus works, the better.

As it turns out, SARS-CoV-2 can also be blocked by certain protease inhibitors. It needs transmembrane protease, serine 2, to enter cells. Block that, and you can block the virus:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4?rss=yes

Tons of potential therapies are being investigated. This is just the beginning. The response from the scientific community has been incredibly comprehensive. They are basically waging war.
 
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Was on an airplane Wednesday night. Not a single person wearing a mask, not much hand sanitizer being used either.
I mean, it's not like I was returning from China, it was Boston, but still... it didn't look like anyone was taking it seriously.
 
So I just got sent home from work yesterday for having a slight dry cough and the occasional sneeze and then some faggot on my twitter timeline bitched at me that I need to worry about old people when I complained about it.

People are so hysterical already.
How about Old People who know they are in danger from this..take care of themselves and instead of going outside they call their children and ask them to pick up things.
 
So, to recap, in severe and critical cases, SARS-CoV-2 can cause bilateral viral pneumonia, lung fibrosis, myocarditis, myoglobinemia, acute kidney injury, liver injury, bacterial co-infections, autoimmune reactions, and cerebrovascular and medullary infections that manifest neurological symptoms like loss of automatic breathing, collapse, lethargy, seizures, et cetera. In 80% of cases, symptoms are mild, but for 1 in 5, any of the above things can happen.

Many of the people dying are not dying from pneumonia. They're getting intubated, and then, the cardiomyopathy from their cardiac injuries is killing them. Even if they get enough oxygen, they die of heart attacks. The virus can attack the heart muscle, the myocardium. As the myocardium breaks down into the bloodstream, it causes myoglobinemia, which, in turn, attacks the kidneys, same as if you got rhabdo from crushing your leg flipping your ATV in the woods.

Someone with severe or critical COVID-19 doesn't just need intubation. They also need prophylactic antibiotics to keep the bacterial co-infections in check, dialysis to take the strain off their kidneys, antivirals to reduce viral load, antipyretics to manage fever, and they need constant lab work done to monitor their blood and their liver and adjust treatment as necessary. I don't know what you'd do about the nasty cytokine storms, sepsis, and clots. CytoSorb? Heparin? Steroids to try and keep the inflammation down? In Wuhan, they gave people methylprednisolone to manage the inflammation, but they kept dying, anyway, because some managed inflammation is actually necessary to combat the virus. People who are already on steroids can be at risk because of immunosuppression.

Smokers, people with diabetes, people with hypertension, and people on angiotensin blockers may be especially susceptible. ARBs might protect cells from the virus, but they might also cause gene expression changes over time that make one more susceptible, so anyone who's already been on ARBs for a while may be at risk. Anything that increases ACE2 gene expression makes someone more vulnerable to COVID-19. Remdesivir and Chloroquine seem to be very effective at inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 replication.

The virus lingers in aerosols and can get in through your eyes, nose, and mouth, so you need both an N95 and skin-tight goggles at minimum. P100 full-face, even better. 40mm CBRN, better still.

It is shed in feces and urine, and patients' bedpans are very, very hazardous.

It's all in my (freshly-updated) notes:





As it turns out, SARS-CoV-2 can also be blocked by certain protease inhibitors. It needs transmembrane protease, serine 2, to enter cells. Block that, and you can block the virus:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30229-4?rss=yes

Tons of potential therapies are being investigated. This is just the beginning. The response from the scientific community has been incredibly comprehensive. They are basically waging war.
One of the primary mechanisms behind the autoimmune responses in SARS-CoV-2 is now known.

The virus binds to ACE2 receptors, leaving them unavailable to regulate the presence of Angiotensin II. The Ang II accumulates in the tissues, creating a highly pro-inflammatory effect and causing an immune reaction.

The virus itself actually doesn't do the lion's share of the damage. It triggers your immune system to attack your own tissues and damage them severely. Your immune system gets triggered like a Tumblrina and has a hissy fit.

This is very similar to what happened to SARS patients back in 2003. ACE2 receptors are found in many tissues of the body, not just the lungs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/59272 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-05985-9

Normally, ACE2 converts Ang II to Ang 1-7 and Ang 1-9, which are Mas receptor agonists. The activity of the Mas receptor has an anti-inflammatory and tissue protective effect. So, in other words, as the virus uses up all those ACE2 receptors and leaves the Ang II floating around, it never converts into the kind of angiotensin needed for MasR, causing inflammation.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2019/2401081/

A lot of inflammation. Enough to destroy tissues.

There are other inflammatory mechanisms at work, here, too. SARS-CoV-2 stacks the inflammation up by disrupting numerous cellular functions.
Huh, thank you for alleviating my main worries. Jesus, the worst cases sound fucking brutal. Hope I don't get fucked like that.

how long until this happens, though?
 
The only difference between this and 9/11 is that we were all together after it happened. For a brief period in America, everyone regardless of status and beliefs and races and political affiliations came together as brothers and looked out for each other. It was a moment of earnest vulnerability and intimacy that had not been seen in a long time.

And now here we are screeching no matter what Orange Man does and bleating about muh racism while stealing all the goddamn TP. What a world.
Sorry, anecdotal evidence, but I know people in the US bullied in schools for being terrorists after 9/11 (even if they were from completely different ethnic groups and not Muslims), so can't say it was all peachy-rosy after a huge shock.

Anecdotal evidence on the topic: Russian segment of Twitter tells why the statistics in Russia is so low - the might be cases are registered as pneumonia. According to some, they just don't do testing and pump patients full of antibiotics, and when they die of hypoxia due to lung damage, the case is registered as "pneumonia of unknown viral origin".
(link just in case, won't do a translation, as I can't prove it's factual https://twitter.com/Nonpalpabilis/status/1238168645752303618)
 
How about Old People who know they are in danger from this..take care of themselves and instead of going outside they call their children and ask them to pick up things.

Mrs Julians mother works with End of life Elderly as a nurse and she's commented how little this is little more than bog-standard spike in the stats for someone whose got 5 years tops and this works on the assumption Grandma has any quality of life. She's annoyed that suddenly every motherfucker in the country gives a shit enough to crash infrastructure about what boils down exceptionally salty flu season, but when the poor buggers die in the droves when the temperature drops or some other new flu strain showed up previously and nobody cares
 
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