Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Wonder what he'll say this time?
Considering the fact that his statements on insurance companies waiving copays for treatments was a lie and that republicans shut down the sick pay bill that was introduced, I doubt much of value.

I am adopting a fatalistic mindset about all this. I'm finding its far less stressful to just not care. I'll keep washing my hands and covering my mouth with my elbow when I cough or sneeze. But beyond that what can ya do? I can't hide in my home for 2 months or more.
I just want it to hit me already. If I live or die whatever, I just want it dealt with.
 
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No TP multipacks here in the ass end of Brooklyn. I would have had it done two weeks ago but apparently Scotts makes paper towels now too which I ended up buying the last time I went shopping. I got the last multipack of TP from my local pharmacy. Only single rolls left. I also got dry coughed on by three separate motherfuckers. I almost sprayed a motherfucker down with clorox. Fuck these goddamned savages.

On sudafed, make sure you get the real sudafed, not the Sudafed PE. The PE stands for Placebo Effect.
You want to make sure it has psuedoephedrine in it. Shit is amazing for sinus congestion/pain. Although Claritin D (make sure it is claritin D, because it is the only version of Claritin that has psuedoephedrine) is better over all.
 
So...anyone else wanna help me kickstart a neo-flagellant movement when shit really starts hitting the fan?


Just seems prudent now that we have got to the "italy turning into a nightmare charnel house" stage of Black Death 2: Corona Boogaloo, so we may as well get our mutual whipping and scourging schedules organised ahead of time
Well we already have massive student street parties simulating dancing mania, some flaggellation should go with that nicely!
Which of you ordered the 24” rubber horse cock?
I just hope whoever ordered it didn't get it from Zinnia J's etsy. There's a reason it was a bargain....
 
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The American system is probably the least prepared out of all of the western countries. The insurance bureaucracy and high cost of going to the doctor + the lack of safety nets means people will work when sick because they have to and not go to the doctor.

I can see the coronavirus forcing a shift in the view on healthcare. Eisenhour's ww2 experience was the basis for his belief in investing in infrastructure and Teddy had the panama canal built based on Mahan's naval theories.

Public healthcare reduces the costs and gets more people to go to the doctor.
First, the American system is vulnerable because it is an open free society. And what I mean by that is that you cannot easily force someone to stay home or lock down the borders of entire states. The federal government can't do that because nothing in the constitution gives them the power to do so, and states themselves can't do that because the federal government has exclusive power over interstate commerce. And then when it comes to locking people in their homes, that's lawsuit fodder. The quarantine only functions when the infected are compliant about it, and when things get really bad that's when the compliance dries up.

Second, "public healthcare" reduces costs by rationing care. You get less of it, and have to wait longer for it. It's no different than a breadline. "Everyone gets a slice of bread... after waiting five hours..." Unless you are rich, and get the bread delivered right to you. Not much changes there, right? The poor get less, and the rich get the same as usual.
In addition, "public healthcare" categorically refuses to pay for expensive treatments. In Oregon, where we have a camel's-nose-in-the-tent version of "public healthcare", cancer drugs are denied all the time. Instead they give you a packet on euthanasia. You don't have the right to buy drugs that will save your life, but you do have a right to buy drugs that end your life. Why? Because the government is paying for your healthcare, and in this case they don't want to pay for it any longer. It is utterly perverse and does not produce the utopia you think it does.

Just look at Italy, with its "public healthcare", and see for yourself how people are abandoned in times of crisis by their "best in the world" utopian system.
 
This journal was just published this morning regarding the first case of community transmission in Illinois.


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Summary

Background

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a disease caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), first detected in China in December, 2019. In January, 2020, state, local, and federal public health agencies investigated the first case of COVID-19 in Illinois, USA.

Methods

Patients with confirmed COVID-19 were defined as those with a positive SARS-CoV-2 test. Contacts were people with exposure to a patient with COVID-19 on or after the patient's symptom onset date. Contacts underwent active symptom monitoring for 14 days following their last exposure. Contacts who developed fever, cough, or shortness of breath became persons under investigation and were tested for SARS-CoV-2. A convenience sample of 32 asymptomatic health-care personnel contacts were also tested.

Findings

Patient 1—a woman in her 60s—returned from China in mid-January, 2020. One week later, she was hospitalised with pneumonia and tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. Her husband (Patient 2) did not travel but had frequent close contact with his wife. He was admitted 8 days later and tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. Overall, 372 contacts of both cases were identified; 347 underwent active symptom monitoring, including 152 community contacts and 195 health-care personnel. Of monitored contacts, 43 became persons under investigation, in addition to Patient 2. These 43 persons under investigation and all 32 asymptomatic health-care personnel tested negative for SARS-CoV-2.

Interpretation

Person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 occurred between two people with prolonged, unprotected exposure while Patient 1 was symptomatic. Despite active symptom monitoring and testing of symptomatic and some asymptomatic contacts, no further transmission was detected.

Funding

None.
 

Trump gonna declare a national emergency at 3pm supposedly.
 
No TP multipacks here in the ass end of Brooklyn.

Oh my brother, godspeed. Stay out of the subway, stay safe. Take comfort in this: the hipsters in Bushwick/Williamsburg/Gowanus are gonna get fucking smoked. Actual natives, now's the time to scalp Skylar and Ayydden for all they've got. $50 TP, $100 expired antibiotics. Greasy nihilistic Bensonhurst goombas, I see you and your $200 car pool rides. Go!

As for me, damn. I fled to Dixie just in time.
 
Some news out of Canada. I guess Mr. Dressup is rethinking the whole hug a china man campaign on how we where all racist for wanting to limit travelling. I guess he'll be covering an address to the nation sometime soon to make this announcement of limiting travelling. Looks like the Canadian government after closing all of the schools and implementing the quarantine measures are probably going to finally maybe limit travel, despite that like all of my fine Kiwi's know that we've should of taken this step while it was still budding it's ugly head in China.

I guess it took for the Wu-Flu to hit home for him to take the action:

Trudeau Statement on Corona Travel Restrictions

I guess the tendency of wanting to travel during a public health crisis does make for an exceptional individual after all.
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He said much of the power right now rests on Canadians themselves but that the government was also considering urging against any foreign travel.

“Instead of feeling completely powerless, Canadians do have a capacity to affect how this unfolds in Canada and, to a certain extent, around the world,” he said.

“We are looking at making a recommendation that people not travel outside the country except for exceptional purposes. That’s an announcement that will likely come later today.”
 

"She will remain in isolation for the time being. She is feeling well, is taking all the recommended precautions and her symptoms remain mild," it read.

The couple is now self-isolating.

Mr Trudeau is in good health and has no symptoms, according to his office, but will remain in isolation for 14 days.

There are no plans at present for Mr Trudeau to be tested for coronavirus.

"The prime minister will continue to fully assume his duties and will address Canadians tomorrow [Friday]," his office said.

There are currently approximately 103 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in Canada.

 
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As someone who lives in a zone such as you describe, I can honestly say I have no idea. We're in uncharted territory. I've got possible symptoms, have been home for a full week now, and expect to remain here until at least the end of the month, even after the symptoms are gone. It could end up being longer; I honestly don't know. The best I think anyone can do is avoid going out as much as possible, keep an eye on the news and social media, and keep making decisions on a day-by-day basis, given whatever information is currently available.

There really are no solid answers to questions like this right now, which is already making some people crazy. Personally, I think the healthiest response is going to be accepting that you don't know when things will return to some sort of "normal" again, while reassuring yourself that eventually they will. Countless people across the span of human history have survived a lot worse shit than this, without knowing when it was going to end, and you will too.

Take care of what's in front of you in the present; try to anticipate what's coming up next in the immediate future so you can deal with that, and try to do something every day that gives you some joy and helps you feel more normal. If you're stuck at home, keep to your regular schedule--don't stay up shitposting half the night only to end up sleeping through half the day (unless that's what you normally do). Get outside whenever you can.

I'm aftaid that's the best I can tell you. But we will get through this.
This is the problem I'm trying to figure out. Nobody knows. For people whose workplaces are not closing down, it's hard to know what to do because nobody has the necessary information. It would be ideal to stay home for a month, but if doing so would cost someone their job, it's a very difficult balancing act. It's all well and good to say "just quit your job bro!" but losing a job at the beginning of what may be a severe global recession is very unwise, especially for people who live in America and have health insurance provided by their work.

If we could pinpoint a specific week or two that would be most impactful, the "STAY HOME NOW" messaging would be much more useful. If you can't stay home for two months, but you could take two weeks of sick leave, you have to know which two weeks to take in order to do anything useful with this information. Otherwise you're just using up your two weeks that you may need if you actually get sick later.

There don't appear to be any good answers.
this virus making its around in the "halls of power" in the west. I think is a double edge sword. These fuckers saw what was going on in huwan back in january and drank the cool aid of "its just the flu bro"

On one hand it should snap them out of the politicizing a fucking virus that doesnt give a shit who you vote for, what god you pray to or whats in your wallet. Its gonna do its thing and maybe realize the need for some bipartizinship and Ideally a long hard look at all the china sucking off that went on at the WHO .

On the other hand if corona does too much damage too quickly the political machine that keeps the wheel of society turning might fucking stall out and have a break down.

a power vacuum in the us I find worringly
I'm not a fan of Trump but the actual last thing we need right now is for him and/or Pence to drop dead of Corona. His apparent refusal to get tested is worrying, because he's not in a low risk group. Take care of yourself you old fat moron, the rest of us need you not to fucking die for at least a couple of months.
I'm glad I started running a couple months ago. I hope it made a substantial difference in my cardiovascular health. I'm able to run now longer than I did in high school.

Now that I don't want to leave the house unless it's necessary, I can't go to the gym or a park to run *sigh*
Is running outside really a huge risk factor? Running in a gym seems dangerous because 1) it requires you to touch a lot of shared equipment and 2) concentrated, recirculated (?) air shared by a lot of people seems like a major vector for infection. But running outside, assuming you're not running in a pack of people and can generally maintain a reasonable distance from others, seems like it would do more good than harm. Cardiovascular exercise is insanely good for just about every system in your body, and all of us need to have strong lungs right now. Given that this doesn't appear to be a short-term problem, my suspicion is that it would be better to maintain an outdoor running routine than to drop it.
as in more dangerous then regular influenza, which this isnt
At this point, every piece of data coming out of literally everywhere supports the conclusion that this is significantly worse than the seasonal flu. If you're still saying "it's just a flu bro!" you're just in hardcore denial. Which is understandable, as a psychological defense mechanism, but don't pretend it's coming from some place of rationality. Panic is unhelpful, but ignoring the actual facts of the situation in order to calm yourself down is not helpful either.
 
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I made the decision to close down the clinic today. We don't have PPE.

I am also certain that we will be deployed to a hospital at some point, which is fine. I've got hard battleaxe nurses with ice in their veins. We can run an entire emergency dept if needed.
 
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