Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Egregious]

semi tl;dr to my understanding, please correct me if anyone here knows me to be wrong:

Higher mortality rate than the flu, likely higher mutation rate than the flu, far less understood than the flu, doesn't have a vaccine like the flu, more contagious than the flu. There are a lot of variables and unknowns, and the unknown is almost always more dangerous than something we know and have a means to combat in the forms of a vaccine. The flu would be much more dangerous too if there wasn't a vaccine for it.

Sort of like how the black plague once wiped out a huge portion of Europe, but now when people get it you pump some antibiotics in them and call it a day. It doesn't mean the black plague isn't dangerous, but it's not nearly as dangerous now that we understand it.

Then again I guess the difference now is that even if the black plague was totally unknown and suddenly appeared we would still be able to handle it with antibiotics, so in a way that's a bad comparison, it would be less serious than SARS-CoV-2 in that regard.

real tl;dr

Corona-chan is like the flu but meaner and without a way to vaccinate against it.

The higher mortality rate is currently in question. Some provinces with the virus reported a rate of 0.4%, which is slightly higher than US's flu mortality rate of 0.1%. But one is more wide spread than the other (the flu), that's why I say you're more likely to catch that and die than from corona (Right now anyway. I can be wrong). Also, the US has different health care than other places. US could have more resources and lesser fatalities, but the rate elsewhere could be higher. Higher mutation rate was speculated in the beginning, but I haven't heard much lately, even from other hospital staff who host our emergency meetings. The flu also only has a vaccine against certain strains, so the "vaccine" isn't a catch all. It's pretty deadly, especially in people with preexisting conditions. More infectious is up for some debate, considering it's spread similarly like flu (contact, droplets, etc.), so they could be similar.

I'm not saying it can't be bad, but I'm not buying into it's a plague. Especially when more people are recovering every day and a lot of people are saying their symptoms were not that severe.

 

[Slap47]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h25aDe9Lvgs

Right wing populism is becoming like the progressive movement of the 1920s.

 

[JosephStalin]

LS: China threatens US medical supplies amid coronavirus outbreak;Meat delivered in Wuhan garbage trucks ... wait what?

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As if the USA and other countries needed any more impetus to develop non-Chinese sources of supplies and move their plants out of China. Short-term, kick all Chinese students out of the country if this happens. Saves medical supplies for the rest of us.

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. Dumping meat out of the back of a garbage truck onto a mat on the ground. Never in my life. Beyond retarded. You can't tell me there are no refrigerated meat trucks in China. Once again, the CCP demonstrates they are just not ready for prime time.

The guy accusing the US Army of creating the WuFlu...please, dude. It was a Chinese creation. Take pride in it. Enjoy the exodus of foreign manufacturers from your country. Enjoy watching foreign countries buying from countries other than China.

The female news lady in the blue outfit. All three, fuck like a beast.

 

[the fall of man]

Understandable, because things are happening more and more quickly now. Likely to be that way for a while. I don't try to read every prior post when coming in for the day, maybe a page or two before. All that can really be done.

At the beginning of this thread, I lurked a bit, but mostly trusted my fellow autists to scout things out for me. Now that we’re all affected, we all want to contribute whatever it is we have

 

[LazyLizard]

The higher mortality rate is currently in question. Some provinces with the virus reported a rate of 0.4%, which is slightly higher than US's flu mortality rate of 0.1%. But one is more wide spread than the other (the flu), that's why I say you're more likely to catch that and die than from corona (Right now anyway. I can be wrong). Also, the US has different health care than other places. US could have more resources and lesser fatalities, but the rate elsewhere could be higher. Higher mutation rate was speculated in the beginning, but I haven't heard much lately, even from other hospital staff who host our emergency meetings. The flu also only has a vaccine against certain strains, so the "vaccine" isn't a catch all. It's pretty deadly, especially in people with preexisting conditions. More infectious is up for some debate, considering it's spread similarly like flu (contact, droplets, etc.), so they could be similar.

I'm not saying it can't be bad, but I'm not buying into it's a plague. Especially when more people are recovering every day and a lot of people are saying their symptoms were not that severe.

the US has 9 recovered and 41 deaths. you do realize that trying to compare the infected and the deaths is wrong right? they are still infected, you have to compare the deaths and recovered to see the lethality of it.

 

[Unog]

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Funny, isn't it, that the people who most vociferously complain about "diversity" and such are only matched in their obsession with the racial makeup of groups of people by the people they proclaim to be irredeemable racists.

If you'd rather have a non-white, non-male person in a position primarily because you think "they" need to be "represented", you're a sick fuck treating actual people the same way a child would action figures/dolls, not some righteous fighter for the downtrodden.

 

[the fall of man]

the US has 9 recovered and 41 deaths. you do realize that trying to compare the infected and the deaths is wrong right? they are still infected, you have to compare the deaths and recovered to see the lethality of it.

It’s still too early for there to be many recovered. That ratio will bear out in history books, but not here and now

 

[Egregious]

the US has 9 recovered and 41 deaths. you do realize that trying to compare the infected and the deaths is wrong right? they are still infected, you have to compare the deaths and recovered to see the lethality of it.

How many does China have recovered? Korea? Japan?
They don't get better overnight, no shit not every case is "recovered" in the US yet.

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

I don't use boomerbook, too political. So I come here the most apolitical place on the internet. But i'll check it out I guess.

It's fascinating. Lots of people with good hearts and intentions, and in some cases, ability. Tons of cool information but turn your BS detector on!

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Aren't there manual ventilators? Like those blue bag things. Not that it's piratical but I would think family members would glady volunteer to manually pump there loved ones bag.

Baggin' gets boring really quickly.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Aren't there manual ventilators? Like those blue bag things. Not that it's piratical but I would think family members would glady volunteer to manually pump there loved ones bag.

I think that by the time the word "bag" enters the general conversation, there is not much more "ventilating" to be done.

 

[Rudy Russo]

No data caps for At&t, T-Moble , Sprint for the next sixty days plus other things.

https://archive.vn/fzOWg

Meanwhile my ISP is probably trying to figure out if they get away with tripling the overage charges.

 

[mindlessobserver]

If I was president I would tell China I'd consider that an act of war.

China has no obligation to help us. By all means. They should help their people first. This should however be a warning to all Americans about the massive danger of relying on China for the manufacturing of critical goods. Going foreword the order of the day must be the complete divestment of the American medical supply line from China. Including the precursor chemicals and plastic containers.

Corona-chan has laid out clearly the complete and total failure of this experiment in nation based specialization. The dream of a global economy running face first into base human nature. The mind of man does not always act in its mathematically good self interest.

China would have been wise to not show its dominance over the medical supply chain over this. They would have still recovered and people could have cheered how the "workshop of the world" supplied everything we needed. Instead we have the one two punch of China lying about coronavirus and putting it's own doctors in jail rather then fessing up, and hording the supplies the world needs for it's own use.

The experiment has FAILED. And if this does not wake up the American government and corporations then nothing will until an even worse calamity.

 

[Godzilla1984]

111 pages behind.
I will catch up on this thread out of spite.

No news articles of note in the great white north's far north (that ain't the territories) at this time.

I would however, like to note my utter incredulity at seeing that my middle of nowhere town's grocery store's toilet paper rack was nuked today.
Water bottles too.
The memes are real.
WE PRODUCE SAID TOILET PAPER THIRTY GODDAMN MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD!
WE BOTTLE SAID WATER FORTY GODDAMN MINUTES DOWN THE OTHER ROAD!

Northern Ontario has three things:
1. Rocks. My area of expertise. ⛰⛏
2. Trees. The previously mentioned toilet paper.
3. Water. The previously mentioned water bottles.

Twenty goddamn minutes in line for a basket of items!
Speed checkout line!
Next time I'm going to *coof* and make them part like the Red Sea!

⛰⛏ BAD GEOLOGY JOKE FOR THE DAY ⛰⛏
Q: Where do geologists like to relax?
A: In a rocking chair.

 

[LazyLizard]

How many does China have recovered? Korea? Japan?
They don't get better overnight, no shit not every case is "recovered" in the US yet.

yea which is why saying it's only 0.4 is fucking stupid. we're way to early to see the death rate in the US but we can see it in places like Iran, South Korea, Italy, Japan etc. big clusters with more reliable numbers and the numbers aren't good.

 

[Egregious]

yea which is why saying it's only 0.4 is fucking stupid. we're way to early to see the death rate in the US but we can see it in places like Iran, South Korea, Italy, Japan etc. big clusters with more reliable numbers and the numbers aren't good.

That statistic is from the Chinese provinces that already went through this. Wuhan's mortality rate is debated due to the shortages of medical supplies and influx of patients that overcrowded hospitals.
Korea is recovering. We don't know about Iran really. Italy has an elderly population and we know that it affects them more, so it's no surprise what we're seeing. Also, enlighten me, what is Japan's mortality rate as of today?

 

[LazyLizard]

That statistic is from the Chinese provinces that already went through this. Wuhan's mortality rate is debated due to the shortages of medical supplies and influx of patients that overcrowded hospitals.
Korea is recovering. We don't know about Iran really. Italy has an elderly population and we know that it affects them more, so it's no surprise what we're seeing. Also, enlighten me, what is Japan's mortality rate as of today?

all you gotta do is look at the statistics yourself man

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...

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[behavioral swamp thang]

i miss early on when you could actually keep up with the thread, now it's fucking impossible.

Two week account quarantine until you can post in the corona threads.

 

[Cynically Insane]

The higher mortality rate is currently in question. Some provinces with the virus reported a rate of 0.4%, which is slightly higher than US's flu mortality rate of 0.1%. But one is more wide spread than the other (the flu), that's why I say you're more likely to catch that and die than from corona (Right now anyway. I can be wrong). Also, the US has different health care than other places. US could have more resources and lesser fatalities, but the rate elsewhere could be higher. Higher mutation rate was speculated in the beginning, but I haven't heard much lately, even from other hospital staff who host our emergency meetings. The flu also only has a vaccine against certain strains, so the "vaccine" isn't a catch all. It's pretty deadly, especially in people with preexisting conditions. More infectious is up for some debate, considering it's spread similarly like flu (contact, droplets, etc.), so they could be similar.

I'm not saying it can't be bad, but I'm not buying into it's a plague. Especially when more people are recovering every day and a lot of people are saying their symptoms were not that severe.

You are correct that the US flu fatality rate is .1%. But right now, the US wuflu fatality rate is 2% (not .4 or .2 - a full 2%). Italy's fatality rate is currently 7%. So yes, corona chan is far deadlier than the flu. There is no comparison.

If you are old or have pre existing conditions like cancer, hypertension, COPD, asthma or autoimmune disorders catching this easily transmissible disease is life threatening. The real test of US mortality rate comes once the system is strained beyond providing real interventions to everyone in need. The fatality rate will get worse before it gets better.

 

[LazyLizard]

111 pages behind.
I will catch up on this thread out of spite.

No news articles of note in the great white north's far north (that ain't the territories) at this time.

I would however, like to note my utter incredulity at seeing that my middle of nowhere town's grocery store's toilet paper rack was nuked today.
Water bottles too.
The memes are real.
WE PRODUCE SAID TOILET PAPER THIRTY GODDAMN MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD!
WE BOTTLE SAID WATER FORTY GODDAMN MINUTES DOWN THE OTHER ROAD!

Northern Ontario has three things:
1. Rocks. My area of expertise. ⛰⛏
2. Trees. The previously mentioned toilet paper.
3. Water. The previously mentioned water bottles.

Twenty goddamn minutes in line for a basket of items!
Speed checkout line!
Next time I'm going to *coof* and make them part like the Red Sea!

⛰⛏ BAD GEOLOGY JOKE FOR THE DAY ⛰⛏
Q: Where do geologists like to relax?
A: In a rocking chair.

what is it with americans and buying water bottles during any disaster? just use your taps to fill up some bottles at home for fuck sake, there's no reason to actually buy your water at the store just use a soda bottle or beer bottle or anything like that and fill it with water. you're telling me you guys have 0 bottles at home that you could fill or do you guys just have really shitty water over there?